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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #100 on: July 18, 2007, 10:01:06 PM »
Bottom line is "Intent" people CAN be arrested for "Intent" to commit a crime, especially if they are caught, do actually think the producers of Dateline didn't consult with counsil before they did this show?
They didn`t.  They didn`t even inform the mayor or City Council of Murphy, Texas.

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« Reply #101 on: July 18, 2007, 10:02:08 PM »
the point should be made that since the nbc crew is not law enforcement, how can you really be sure that they are accurately portraying the situation? maybe they lie to these schmucks- say that they are 18 or over. we'd never know if they did. they still have the spectacle. that's probably all they care about
don't you think someone that has been exposed would have stepped forward with proof saved on his comp, and said he was set up and lied to? has anyone of these guys come forward with any kind of complaint that they were misled into believing that they were meeting an adult and not a minor? Not that I'm aware of.

Likje I said these guys go there with the full intentions of having sex with a little kid, and they are being exposed, legal? don't care if it is or isn't.
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« Reply #102 on: July 18, 2007, 10:02:15 PM »
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MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.

Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.

One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.

The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.

And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs. 

   
 

“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.

It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.

“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.

“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.

City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.

Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.

Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.

His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”

Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.

As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.

“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”

As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.

“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.

Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.

“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.

Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.

NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.

“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.

Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.


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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2007, 10:02:30 PM »
They didn`t.  They didn`t even inform the mayor or City Council of Murphy, Texas.

The mayor is not counsil!!

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« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2007, 10:03:56 PM »
I read the article and the writer's logic is seriously flawed. On one hand, he argues that "Without concrete evidence that shows any of the 25 people charged in the sting explicitly solicited a child for sex, none of them actually did anything illegal," while simultaneously arguing that "If anyone rounded up in the sting was a pedophile interested in targeting a child in that community, they are now walking free, at least until they actually do go after someone's child."

So none of them did anything illegal, but he has a problem with them going free.

And equating a lack of 'concrete evidence' to not doing "anything illegal" is also absurd. If I shoot you in the head with the intent to kill you, I've done something illegal regardless of what 'concrete evidence' exists. These amateur lawyer wannabes always confuse facts with legal theory.



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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #105 on: July 18, 2007, 10:04:47 PM »
Associated Press

MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.

Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.

One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.

The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.

And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs. 

   
 

“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.

It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.

“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.

“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.

City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.

Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.

Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.

His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”

Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.

As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.

“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”

As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.

“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.

Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.

“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.

Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.

NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.

“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.

Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.


what is your point? Mr copy/paste.
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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #106 on: July 18, 2007, 10:07:54 PM »
Associated Press

MURPHY, — A sting in which police teamed up with “Dateline NBC” to catch online pedophiles was supposed to send a flinty-eyed, Texas-style warning about this Dallas suburb: Don’t mess with Murphy.

Instead, it has turned into a fiasco.

One of the 25 men caught in the sting — a prosecutor from a neighboring county — committed suicide when police came to arrest him.

The Murphy city manager who approved the operation lost his job in the ensuing furor.

And the district attorney is refusing to prosecute any of the men, saying many of the cases were tainted by the involvement of amateurs. 

   
 

“Certainly these people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but the fact that this was all done for television cameras raises some questions,” said Mayor Bret Baldwin.

It is the first time in nine “Dateline NBC: To Catch a Predator” stings across the country in the past year and a half that prosecutors did not pursue charges.

“Dateline” has made prime-time entertainment out of contacting would-be child molesters over the Internet, luring them to a meeting place, and videotaping their humiliating confrontations with reporter Chris Hansen.

“Dateline” works with an activist group called Perverted Justice, which supplies adults who troll Internet chat rooms, posing as underage boys and girls, and try to collect incriminating sex talk.

City manager Craig Sherwood approved such an operation in this well-to-do community of 11,000 after being approached by “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, but he never informed the mayor or the City Council. He said secrecy was necessary for the sting to be effective.

Over four days in November, 24 men were arrested at a two-story home in one of Murphy’s newer neighborhoods after allegedly arranging to meet boys or girls there.

Some other suspects contacted Perverted Justice decoys online but never showed up at the house. Among them was Louis Conradt Jr., an assistant prosecutor from neighboring Kaufman County, who allegedly engaged in a sexually explicit online chat with an adult posing as a 13-year-old boy.

As police knocked at his door and a “Dateline” camera crew waited in the street, Conradt shot himself.

His sister, Patricia Conradt, told the City Council that police acted as “a judge, jury and executioner that was encouraged by an out-of-control reality show.”

Then, last month, Collin County District Attorney John Roach dropped all charges. He said that in 16 of the cases, he had no jurisdiction, since neither the suspects nor the decoys were in the county during the online chats.

As for the rest of the cases, he said neither police nor NBC could guarantee the chat logs were authentic and complete.

“The fact that somebody besides police officers were involved is what makes this case bad,” said Roach, who was informed of the sting in advance but did not participate.

“If professionals had been running the show, they would have done a much better job rather than being at the beck and call of outsiders.”

As details of the suicide emerged, Murphy’s mayor, City Council and most of its residents learned for the first time that potential molesters were being lured to their city. Many were furious.

“They can chase predators all they want, but they shouldn’t do it in a populated area with children, two blocks from an elementary school,” said Lisa Watson, 33, who lives down the road from the sting house and has three children and another on the way.

Bryan Whorton, who lives with his wife and baby across the street from the house, said his neighborhood was put in danger. Cars sped up and down the street and police sprinted from hiding spots, guns drawn, to arrest suspects, he said. One suspect dropped a bag of crack, Whorton said.

“This is a family community. It didn’t look kosher at all,” he said.

Two weeks ago, the City Council voted to buy out the city manager’s contract for $255,000.

NBC’s Hansen said Murphy is the only place the show has encountered such resistance.

“I don’t want to get involved in the DA’s business or the police business,” he said. “I can tell you in the other locations, these issues did not come up.” Eric Nichols, a Texas deputy attorney general, said that when law enforcement authorities pull an Internet sex sting, officers posing as decoys follow strict rules. Detailed chat logs are kept to ensure that “sex talk” is initiated by the potential predator. That way, a defendant cannot claim entrapment.

Eric Chase, a defense attorney specializing in sex crimes, said stings are the job of police, not TV crews. “Police should not be abdicating a very important function to either private organizations or entertainment organizations,” he said.



If they don't prosecute because of a technicality, that's crap and you could expect alot of parents to take matters into their own hands and rightfully so!

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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #107 on: July 18, 2007, 10:10:09 PM »
I read the article and the writer's logic is seriously flawed. On one hand, he argues that "Without concrete evidence that shows any of the 25 people charged in the sting explicitly solicited a child for sex, none of them actually did anything illegal," while simultaneously arguing that "If anyone rounded up in the sting was a pedophile interested in targeting a child in that community, they are now walking free, at least until they actually do go after someone's child."

So none of them did anything illegal, but he has a problem with them going free.

And equating a lack of 'concrete evidence' to not doing "anything illegal" is also absurd. If I shoot you in the head with the intent to kill you, I've done something illegal regardless of what 'concrete evidence' exists. These amateur lawyer wannabes always confuse facts with legal theory.





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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #108 on: July 18, 2007, 10:14:31 PM »
or create a distorted sense of fear such that people eventually get so scared that they barely ever leave the house

that's a big problem with the media- constant fear mongering

i agree with that...But lets face it...Everyone knows someone who has been raped or molested at a young age...Alot of the human race is a fcking cancer...Their is no doubt about that...If a show crosses the line and exposes that...So be it...

Its to bad the people in the world who are going to commit suicide don't go out and start killing people before they do themselves in...I don't mean kill just anyone...I mean go down to your local court and follow cases day in and day out...Find out who the child molesters are and what not...I would like to see someone take out Micheal Jackson...Their is no reason this thing should be walking the planet...And how about OJ...Why is he still living...Surely their is some suicidal guy out there that dreams of being known for something...Take OJ the fck out...Who really cares...When shit like that happens, most people say "he got what he deserved--fck him"

I see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands sometimes...I know the government doesn't want any of us doing that...But fck them...I say more power to that...

If Mike Vick gets shot tonight by someone...How many of us would say fck him...Justice is done...

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« Reply #109 on: July 18, 2007, 10:16:30 PM »
i agree with that...But lets face it...Everyone knows someone who has been raped or molested at a young age...Alot of the human race is a fcking cancer...Their is no doubt about that...If a show crosses the line and exposes that...So be it...

Its to bad the people in the world who are going to commit suicide don't go out and start killing people before they do themselves in...I don't mean kill just anyone...I mean go down to your local court and follow cases day in and day out...Find out who the child molesters are and what not...I would like to see someone take out Micheal Jackson...Their is no reason this thing should be walking the planet...And how about OJ...Why is he still living...Surely their is some suicidal guy out there that dreams of being known for something...Take OJ the fck out...Who really cares...When shit like that happens, most people say "he got what he deserved--fck him"

I see nothing wrong with people taking the law into their own hands sometimes...I know the government doesn't want any of us doing that...But fck them...I say more power to that...

If Mike Vick gets shot tonight by someone...How many of us would say fck him...Justice is done...

If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.

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« Reply #110 on: July 18, 2007, 10:19:33 PM »
If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.
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« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2007, 10:20:46 PM »
If we all started taking the law into our own hands, we would all be dead.

And that exactly what will happen if they don't prosicute based on Dateline's evidence, but then again, I've always said most of the laws are not based on commonsense!!

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« Reply #112 on: July 18, 2007, 10:24:08 PM »
And that exactly what will happen if they don't prosicute based on Dateline's evidence, but then again, I've always said most of the laws are not based on commonsense!!
Dateline`s "evidence" is a sham.

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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #113 on: July 18, 2007, 10:24:24 PM »
Michael Vick as there is actual evidence of a crime being commited and an abhorrent and appauling one at that.


The child predators are set up illegaly according to laws in most states as private organizations, (in this case NBC), have no legal authority to carry out sting operations.  The people are most of the time, coerced and no crime occurs.

I don`t see how someone can be arrested pre-emptively.  It should outrage you that this is happening.

What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.
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« Reply #114 on: July 18, 2007, 10:25:00 PM »
What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.
Do you wish to do something about that? Perhaps a little violence against me?

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« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2007, 10:27:09 PM »
Dateline`s "evidence" is a sham.

A sham? It's on video. Why do I get this feeling you defend pedo's and NAMBLA (samething)?

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« Reply #116 on: July 18, 2007, 10:27:27 PM »
Nope...........not on my part. I feel that some day you will undo yourself ;D
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« Reply #117 on: July 18, 2007, 10:28:55 PM »
A sham? It's on video. Why do I get this feeling you defend pedo's and NAMBLA (samething)?
Dateline does not have any authority to carry out law enforcement activities.

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« Reply #118 on: July 18, 2007, 10:29:16 PM »
What outrages me is that you are still breathing the same oxygen supply that we all have to share.

So you'll defend a pedo but not a dog killer (allegedly)?

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« Reply #119 on: July 18, 2007, 10:31:53 PM »
I defend the Constitution and do not support false crimes by investigative units and special interest groups with no authority.

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Re: Who do you hate more?
« Reply #120 on: July 18, 2007, 10:33:29 PM »
Michael Vick or the child predators that get caught on Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator"

Vick

a lot of time the "predators" just like to have kids sit on their laps or some such

torturing a dog is far worse.

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« Reply #121 on: July 18, 2007, 10:35:10 PM »
I defend the Constitution and do not support false crimes by investigative units and special interest groups with no authority.

Sorry dude, but it wasn't a false crime, it was intent and thats enough!!

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« Reply #122 on: July 18, 2007, 10:36:07 PM »
Vick

a lot of time the "predators" just like to have kids sit on their laps or some such

torturing a dog is far worse.

Strangly enough, TA's alter ego agree's with him :-\!!

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« Reply #123 on: July 18, 2007, 10:36:45 PM »
So you'll defend a pedo but not a dog killer (allegedly)?

  Nope. I will not defend a pedo, I would rather rip his ears clear down to his ankles and pour salt on his wounds.
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« Reply #124 on: July 18, 2007, 10:38:17 PM »
Sorry dude, but it wasn't a false crime, it was intent and thats enough!!
First off no crimes were committed since there are no children even involved.  Second, Look at who is carrying out the investigations. A entertainment show and a special interest group.


Sounds like the nuts on the Southern US border who are just making things WAY MORE DIFFICULT for the REAL authorities.