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Why Hide What It If There's Nothing "Wrong" With It???
« on: July 30, 2007, 07:57:26 AM »
Abortion clinic built under radar
Planned Parenthood to open Aurora site
By Bonnie Miller Rubin and James Kimberly
Tribune staff reporters

chicagotribune.com


July 27, 2007

Neighbors who drive by the bustling construction site in Aurora think they are seeing the completion of the "Gemini Health Center," just as the sign says. So do the painters, carpenters, electricians and other tradesmen who have been working on the project for the last eight months.

But in a few weeks the sign will be changed to reflect the true owners of the building: Planned Parenthood. At 22,000 square feet, this is among its larger facilities in the nation, providing a wide range of women's health services -- including abortions.

Growth in the counties Aurora straddles -- DuPage, Will, Kendall and Kane -- has created an intense need for more comprehensive and affordable women's health care. And while the majority of patients come to Planned Parenthood for birth control, testing for gynecological cancers or screening for sexually transmitted diseases, it is the abortions that have made this a stealth venture almost 35 years after Roe vs. Wade, which legalized abortion nationwide.

"Frankly, I'm surprised we were able to keep it a secret for so long," said Steve Trombley, president and chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood/Chicago Area, carefully avoiding a freshly painted wall as he offered a tour of the facility. "We didn't want anything to interfere with the opening ... and, at this point, I don't anticipate anything will stop that from happening."

The $7.5 million facility at 240 N. Oakhurst Drive, in DuPage County, adjacent to a Dominick's, is scheduled to open Sept. 18. In the planning stages since 2002, it is Planned Parenthood's first full-service site in the Chicago area in 20 years and the only one to perform abortions outside of a Near North Side Chicago location. Private donors contributed $5 million toward its construction.

It would be the only clinic performing abortions in Aurora; another clinic closed last year after its doctor retired.

As of Thursday, not a single protester had appeared on the scene. But even at this late date, anti-abortion activists vow to create some hurdles to abortion in Aurora.

"It is not going to be possible to stop construction," conceded Ann Scheidler, executive director of the Pro-Life Action League. "It's probably more a matter of damage control at this point."

Scheidler said the league is bringing to town the executive director of the anti-abortion group STOPP, which seeks to shutter Planned Parenthood, to a strategy meeting scheduled for Aug. 16.

Avoiding builder boycotts

That the clinic was kept hush-hush for so long was no accident. Planned Parenthood adopted the strategy after a 2004 boycott by contractors stalled work for two months on a clinic in Austin, Texas. The boycott, organized by a concrete contractor, pressured subcontractors with being blacklisted from future employment. The contractor ended up quitting the job, and Planned Parenthood acted as its own general contractor to finish the facility.

Still, the tactic was heralded as a new economic tool in the arsenal of abortion foes.

As in Austin, word of the Aurora clinic was leaked to anti-abortion forces by a contractor, Scheidler said.

"He knew there was a recovery room. It was obviously a surgery center of some sort. I guess the bullet-proof glass and all the security, the security cameras, made him concerned," she said.

Aurora Councilman Chris Beykirch, who represents that part of the city, said he learned that Planned Parenthood was building the clinic only last week. The property was zoned for a medical/office building, however, so the city could not have blocked construction -- not that it should have tried, he said. He said he was disappointed that the agency felt it was necessary to be secretive.

The project appears to be full-steam ahead. A staff of 24 -- answering "help wanted" ads for an unnamed clinic -- is being hired. The sleek cabinetry and faux wood floors are in place. The airy examining and recovery rooms are almost complete. It has a large conference room where the employees can meet with civic groups.

"We want to introduce ourselves to the community ... rather than be defined by our adversaries," Trombley said.

Kendall County is the nation's second-fastest-growing county, increasing by 62 percent from April 2000 to July 2006, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last month. "This is a medically underserved area," Trombley said.

The full-service Chicago clinic is 35 miles away, a significant hurdle for Aurora's low-income and uninsured population.

"This is a conservative community -- but teens are very sexually active," said Wendy Fegenhols, who recently retired from the DuPage County Health Department and serves on the Illinois Caucus for Adolescent Health. "Anyone who is in contact with the school population recognizes the need."

While teen pregnancy rates have declined during the last decade, sexually transmitted infections -- specifically, chlamydia and HIV -- have steadily increased in DuPage, Kane, Will and Kendall Counties, according to state health officials.

Indeed, Planned Parenthood has opened three suburban "express" sites -- in Naperville, Schaumburg and Orland Park -- which mostly offer birth control and testing for sexually transmitted infections. The closest site to the new facility, in Naperville, logged more than 13,700 visits last year.

Foes plan protests

Planned Parenthood may have won the battle by building the Aurora clinic in secrecy, but the war is far from over, anti-abortion forces vowed. The Pro-Life Action League held a strategy session on the clinic Thursday and decided to begin picketing the site Aug. 22. The group intends to target not only the clinic, said Scheidler, but customers of nearby businesses as well.

"We will be out protesting with our ugly graphic pictures that everyone hates. People don't want to go shopping or go to the dentist with those pictures out there," Scheidler said.

Such tactics are precisely what have residents of the nearby Oakhurst subdivision concerned, said Homeowners Association President Jonathan Lack. The community of 2,200 homes -- more than half are single-family residences -- could best be described as "conservative and Republican."

He predicted that among residents, "very few people are going to be in the 'I don't care' camp. ...

"It is a lightening-rod issue for a lot of people on both sides of it," Lack said. "Having protesters on both sides does not really fit with the neighborhood aesthetic."


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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 08:20:00 AM »
Did you even read this story before you asked "Why hide it?"

They are trying to avoid problems from psychopath protesters. Like the ones described at the end. Or the builders who organized a labor blacklist.


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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 08:22:34 AM »
Did you even read this story before you asked "Why hide it?"

They are trying to avoid problems from psychopath protesters. Like the ones described at the end. Or the builders who organized a labor blacklist.

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2007, 08:25:52 AM »
I'll clarify for you...

They're not hiding it because something is wrong with it...

they're hiding it because something is wrong with abortion protesters.

Get it now?

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 08:39:16 AM »
I'll clarify for you...

They're not hiding it because something is wrong with it...

they're hiding it because something is wrong with abortion protesters.

Get it now?
Go just a little deeper and then we can talk, bro.  You're still on the surface. 

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 09:05:36 PM »
Abortion clinic built under radar
Planned Parenthood to open Aurora site
By Bonnie Miller Rubin and James Kimberly
Tribune staff reporters

chicagotribune.com


July 27, 2007

Neighbors who drive by the bustling construction site in Aurora think they are seeing the completion of the "Gemini Health Center," just as the sign says. So do the painters, carpenters, electricians and other tradesmen who have been working on the project for the last eight months.

But in a few weeks the sign will be changed to reflect the true owners of the building: Planned Parenthood. At 22,000 square feet, this is among its larger facilities in the nation, providing a wide range of women's health services -- including abortions.

Growth in the counties Aurora straddles -- DuPage, Will, Kendall and Kane -- has created an intense need for more comprehensive and affordable women's health care. And while the majority of patients come to Planned Parenthood for birth control, testing for gynecological cancers or screening for sexually transmitted diseases, it is the abortions that have made this a stealth venture almost 35 years after Roe vs. Wade, which legalized abortion nationwide.

"Frankly, I'm surprised we were able to keep it a secret for so long," said Steve Trombley, president and chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood/Chicago Area, carefully avoiding a freshly painted wall as he offered a tour of the facility. "We didn't want anything to interfere with the opening ... and, at this point, I don't anticipate anything will stop that from happening."

The $7.5 million facility at 240 N. Oakhurst Drive, in DuPage County, adjacent to a Dominick's, is scheduled to open Sept. 18. In the planning stages since 2002, it is Planned Parenthood's first full-service site in the Chicago area in 20 years and the only one to perform abortions outside of a Near North Side Chicago location. Private donors contributed $5 million toward its construction.

It would be the only clinic performing abortions in Aurora; another clinic closed last year after its doctor retired.

As of Thursday, not a single protester had appeared on the scene. But even at this late date, anti-abortion activists vow to create some hurdles to abortion in Aurora.

"It is not going to be possible to stop construction," conceded Ann Scheidler, executive director of the Pro-Life Action League. "It's probably more a matter of damage control at this point."

Scheidler said the league is bringing to town the executive director of the anti-abortion group STOPP, which seeks to shutter Planned Parenthood, to a strategy meeting scheduled for Aug. 16.

Avoiding builder boycotts

That the clinic was kept hush-hush for so long was no accident. Planned Parenthood adopted the strategy after a 2004 boycott by contractors stalled work for two months on a clinic in Austin, Texas. The boycott, organized by a concrete contractor, pressured subcontractors with being blacklisted from future employment. The contractor ended up quitting the job, and Planned Parenthood acted as its own general contractor to finish the facility.

Still, the tactic was heralded as a new economic tool in the arsenal of abortion foes.

As in Austin, word of the Aurora clinic was leaked to anti-abortion forces by a contractor, Scheidler said.

"He knew there was a recovery room. It was obviously a surgery center of some sort. I guess the bullet-proof glass and all the security, the security cameras, made him concerned," she said.

Aurora Councilman Chris Beykirch, who represents that part of the city, said he learned that Planned Parenthood was building the clinic only last week. The property was zoned for a medical/office building, however, so the city could not have blocked construction -- not that it should have tried, he said. He said he was disappointed that the agency felt it was necessary to be secretive.

The project appears to be full-steam ahead. A staff of 24 -- answering "help wanted" ads for an unnamed clinic -- is being hired. The sleek cabinetry and faux wood floors are in place. The airy examining and recovery rooms are almost complete. It has a large conference room where the employees can meet with civic groups.

"We want to introduce ourselves to the community ... rather than be defined by our adversaries," Trombley said.

Kendall County is the nation's second-fastest-growing county, increasing by 62 percent from April 2000 to July 2006, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released last month. "This is a medically underserved area," Trombley said.

The full-service Chicago clinic is 35 miles away, a significant hurdle for Aurora's low-income and uninsured population.

"This is a conservative community -- but teens are very sexually active," said Wendy Fegenhols, who recently retired from the DuPage County Health Department and serves on the Illinois Caucus for Adolescent Health. "Anyone who is in contact with the school population recognizes the need."

While teen pregnancy rates have declined during the last decade, sexually transmitted infections -- specifically, chlamydia and HIV -- have steadily increased in DuPage, Kane, Will and Kendall Counties, according to state health officials.

Indeed, Planned Parenthood has opened three suburban "express" sites -- in Naperville, Schaumburg and Orland Park -- which mostly offer birth control and testing for sexually transmitted infections. The closest site to the new facility, in Naperville, logged more than 13,700 visits last year.

Foes plan protests

Planned Parenthood may have won the battle by building the Aurora clinic in secrecy, but the war is far from over, anti-abortion forces vowed. The Pro-Life Action League held a strategy session on the clinic Thursday and decided to begin picketing the site Aug. 22. The group intends to target not only the clinic, said Scheidler, but customers of nearby businesses as well.

"We will be out protesting with our ugly graphic pictures that everyone hates. People don't want to go shopping or go to the dentist with those pictures out there," Scheidler said.

Such tactics are precisely what have residents of the nearby Oakhurst subdivision concerned, said Homeowners Association President Jonathan Lack. The community of 2,200 homes -- more than half are single-family residences -- could best be described as "conservative and Republican."

He predicted that among residents, "very few people are going to be in the 'I don't care' camp. ...

"It is a lightening-rod issue for a lot of people on both sides of it," Lack said. "Having protesters on both sides does not really fit with the neighborhood aesthetic."



This is one shady organization.  It seems like Planned Parenthood's sole mission is abortion on demand under any circumstances, regardless of age, etc. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 06:29:19 AM »
This is one shady organization.  It seems like Planned Parenthood's sole mission is abortion on demand under any circumstances, regardless of age, etc. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2007, 07:32:28 AM »
This is one shady organization.  It seems like Planned Parenthood's sole mission is abortion on demand under any circumstances, regardless of age, etc. 


Really? It's not like they're an abortion provider or anything.

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2007, 07:47:27 AM »
Abortion is a great thing, we need more of it in America. I think it should be free and paid for by the taxpayers so every person can have access to it.

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2007, 07:52:39 AM »
This is one shady organization.  It seems like Planned Parenthood's sole mission is abortion on demand under any circumstances, regardless of age, etc. 
Has it occurred to you that if Planned Parenthood was totally successful with its birth control mission abortion would be greatly reduced and marginalized b/c unwanted pregnancies would be decimated?

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 08:16:06 AM »

Really? It's not like they're an abortion provider or anything.

looks like they are:


(from www.ppsp.org)
Letter to Patients:

Open Letter to Planned Parenthood Clients from Vanessa Cullins, MD, MPH, Vice President for Medical Affairs, Planned Parenthood Federation of America

April 18, 2007

Dear Planned Parenthood Patients,

Today the United States Supreme Court made a decision that will affect some second-trimester abortions at Planned Parenthood.  (However, the abortion procedures provided by PPSP do not fall in this category.) This law does not take effect immediately. 

Planned Parenthood is committed to the health and safety of our patients, and we will continue to provide high-quality care, including abortion services, to our patients.  Our medical professionals and lawyers are analyzing today’s court decision, and we will let you know of any changes in abortion care once we have fully evaluated the situation.

No changes in the law have gone into effect at this time.  If you have an appointment, you should still come in. When you come in for your appointment, you and your doctor will discuss your situation, his or her recommendations, and your options. The bottom line is that we can help you and we are here to answer your questions.
If you need to make an appointment, contact us at 1-800-230-PLAN.  If you are in the process of undergoing an abortion or are scheduled for a follow-up visit, it is very important that you attend your next appointment.  If you have any questions, please contact us at 1-800-230-PLAN or visit us online at www.plannedparenthood.or g.
I want to reassure you that abortion is still legal in this country, and that Planned Parenthood is here for you. If you are scheduled to visit one of our health centers, our doors will be open. You can depend on us.

For 90 years, Planned Parenthood has been a trusted health care provider — every year, nearly five million women, men, and teens rely on our reproductive health care, education, and information services.  While we are very disappointed by today’s Supreme Court decision, we remain – as always – focused on providing you with high-quality reproductive health care.




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The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is one of over 90 national affiliates of the International Planned Parenthood Federation (London). It gets about two-thirds of its U.S. financing through tax money, local, state, and national. It has five regional offices, about 160 statewide affiliates, over 900 local clinics in the U.S. Over 70 of its clinics do abortions. Its total annual cash flow is almost one-half billion dollars ($472 million in 1995). It concentrates its efforts on abortion, contraception, and sex education.

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 08:41:23 AM »

Really? It's not like they're an abortion provider or anything.

Their primary mission appears to be abortion under any circumstances.  I guess you missed the threads talking about some of Planned Parenthood's fanatical abortion practices? 

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2007, 08:43:15 AM »
Has it occurred to you that if Planned Parenthood was totally successful with its birth control mission abortion would be greatly reduced and marginalized b/c unwanted pregnancies would be decimated?

Their birth control mission is abortion at all costs.  So, from that standpoint, they are indeed determined to reduced unwanted pregnancies. 

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007, 08:51:08 AM »
looks like they are:




I was being sarcastic. They make no secret about being an abortion clinic... at least, after the buildings are built, they don't.

My point was that Beach Bum called them a "shady organization" for providing a service that they are very upfront about providing.


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Their primary mission appears to be abortion under any circumstances.  I guess you missed the threads talking about some of Planned Parenthood's fanatical abortion practices?


Their mission is not abortion under any circumstances. It's  providing abortion to those who seek them. I've seen reports from people who've tried to portray them as fanatical and, for the most part, they've been overblown and off base.

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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2007, 09:53:57 AM »
Their birth control mission is abortion at all costs.  So, from that standpoint, they are indeed determined to reduced unwanted pregnancies. 
I don't believe that "abortion at all costs" is the birth control mission of Planned Parenthood.

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2007, 09:57:47 AM »
Al and Decker, for your reading and listening pleasure:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=149350.0

They can say whatever they want in their mission statement, but their actions show they are all about abortion at all costs, regardless of age, the parents, etc. 

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2007, 10:24:04 AM »
Al and Decker, for your reading and listening pleasure:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=149350.0

They can say whatever they want in their mission statement, but their actions show they are all about abortion at all costs, regardless of age, the parents, etc. 
The law is the law.  Abortion is not illegal.  Parental consent is only required where the state has passed mandatory parental involvement laws.

Planned Parenthood offers birth control and family planning based on the premise that the woman is the captain of her own body.  They also don't mince words when the rubber hits the road on pregnancy--women 15-45 are welcome to use PP's resources to avoid unwanted pregnancies.  They can do it the easy and fun way--birth control--or the gruesome way--abortion.

If all goes well, then abortion will not be necessary b/c birth control will be used properly.

As for the video where the operators have a 'don't ask, don't tell policy' choosing to treat the lady for birth control instead of taking on the whole statutory rape question, they are doing their jobs.  That's all. 

It doesn't mean I like it.  Nor do I like abortion.  But many many women believe that they decide the fate of their own bodies.  End of argument.

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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2007, 10:34:10 AM »
But many many women believe that they decide the fate of their own bodies.  End of argument.
Therein lies the crux of what I take issue with.  Many, not all.  This is wrong, even if it is the law.  You know, there was a time where I couldn't vote because I wasn't considered a complete human being.  It was the "law", but certainly you would agree that it was wrong, yes?  This is no different.

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2007, 10:50:49 AM »
Therein lies the crux of what I take issue with.  Many, not all.  This is wrong, even if it is the law.  You know, there was a time where I couldn't vote because I wasn't considered a complete human being.  It was the "law", but certainly you would agree that it was wrong, yes?  This is no different.

No, it's completely different. If the crux of  what you take issue with is that "many, not all" feel a certain way, then I've got some devastating news for you- no one comes to a unanimous consensus on anything in this country... or anywhere else. 

The argument that because there because one thing is legal but unethical means that everything  you don't agree with is equitable is just weak. Abortion and Jim Crow laws aren't comparable.

And I could type some long assed response to the vids Beach Bum posted, but this from Decker's post:

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As for the video where the operators have a 'don't ask, don't tell policy' choosing to treat the lady for birth control instead of taking on the whole statutory rape question, they are doing their jobs.  That's all.

...pretty much sums it up. Abortion is legal, but so many municipalities have come up with trivialities to make it inconvenient. If you are anti-abortion, then those bulwarks are  great. If you're pro-choice, then they make no sense. If you work at PP, you're pro-choice. I don't see a problem with them trying to avoid wading into what is truly just bureaucratic bullshit.

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2007, 10:51:39 AM »
The law is the law.  Abortion is not illegal.  Parental consent is only required where the state has passed mandatory parental involvement laws.

Planned Parenthood offers birth control and family planning based on the premise that the woman is the captain of her own body.  They also don't mince words when the rubber hits the road on pregnancy--women 15-45 are welcome to use PP's resources to avoid unwanted pregnancies.  They can do it the easy and fun way--birth control--or the gruesome way--abortion.

If all goes well, then abortion will not be necessary b/c birth control will be used properly.

As for the video where the operators have a 'don't ask, don't tell policy' choosing to treat the lady for birth control instead of taking on the whole statutory rape question, they are doing their jobs.  That's all. 

It doesn't mean I like it.  Nor do I like abortion.  But many many women believe that they decide the fate of their own bodies.  End of argument.

Did you listen to those clips?  Planned Parenthood doesn't care about the law.  They encourage minors to get abortions without their parents' knowledge regardless of what the law says.  They encourage minors to lie about their boyfriends' ages to get abortions.  Those clips have recorded conversations from all across the country.    

A woman is the captain of her own body, but that's only part of the equation.  When she gets pregnant, there are two bodies involved.  This is part of the problem with the abortion debate.  Neither side completely acknowledges the woman's bodily integrity issue and the fact that abortion kills a baby.  Another problem is you have a bunch of men deciding the issue for the most part.      

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2007, 10:52:22 AM »
Therein lies the crux of what I take issue with.  Many, not all.  This is wrong, even if it is the law.  You know, there was a time where I couldn't vote because I wasn't considered a complete human being.  It was the "law", but certainly you would agree that it was wrong, yes?  This is no different.

It is kind of different because you were being prevented from making a choice while women's choices are being preserved.

Let them take it up with their creator.   

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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2007, 12:13:31 PM »
No, it's completely different. If the crux of  what you take issue with is that "many, not all" feel a certain way, then I've got some devastating news for you- no one comes to a unanimous consensus on anything in this country... or anywhere else. 

The argument that because there because one thing is legal but unethical means that everything  you don't agree with is equitable is just weak. Abortion and Jim Crow laws aren't comparable.

And I could type some long assed response to the vids Beach Bum posted, but this from Decker's post:

...pretty much sums it up. Abortion is legal, but so many municipalities have come up with trivialities to make it inconvenient. If you are anti-abortion, then those bulwarks are  great. If you're pro-choice, then they make no sense. If you work at PP, you're pro-choice. I don't see a problem with them trying to avoid wading into what is truly just bureaucratic bullshit.
wrong again, bro.  this is a very divisive issue.  so it's not as clear about a woman's "right to choose" as you see it.  the bigger picture of what i'm saying is that something that was once law, became illegal.  it's feasible to see that the right to abortion can go the other way.  why do you think folks on both sides of the issue are paying very close attention to see who the next replacement is for supreme court justice?

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2007, 12:35:15 PM »
No, my post was 100% accurate,once again. I pointed out in my post that this is a divisive issue, like most political issues tend to be. The fact that YOU don't agree with something, doesn't make it wrong. Many things that were once illegal are now legal-they are not all comparable to slavery.



Nowhere in my post did I say that it came down to a woman's right to choose. What it does come down to is the fact that the services PP provides are legal, as of right now.

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« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2007, 12:56:46 PM »

What it does come down to is the fact that the services PP provides are legal, as of right now.

That's debatable.  Is it against the law to encourage a minor to lie so she can get an abortion and to intentionally ignore the fact she has been raped solely so you can perform an abortion?  If not, it should be. 

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Re: Why Hide What It If There's Nothing "Wrong" With It???
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2007, 01:00:53 PM »
That's debatable.  Is it against the law to encourage a minor to lie so she can get an abortion and to intentionally ignore the fact she has been raped solely so you can perform an abortion?  If not, it should be. 

If you see a TV commercial promoting a drive through abortion then you might have a case for encouragement.   Otherwise there is no encouragement happening other then informing people the PP office exists.