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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2007, 10:55:51 AM »

exactly what i'm talking about...

How does the Iraq war have anything to do with oil reserves that are being excavated in Canada and kick started an economic boom that started well before the war?

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2007, 11:05:04 AM »
How does the Iraq war have anything to do with oil reserves that are being excavated in Canada and kick started an economic boom that started well before the war?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2092750,00.html


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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2007, 07:19:31 AM »
Question for jag, and other canadians:

How does it feel to live in a country who is likely heading for extreme wealth in the next 20 years?

umm... not entirely sure how to answer that in writing without having the ability to relay vocal tones and facial expressions. So often my words and my meanings are misconstrued on here, and I doubt if my sentiments were expressed, this time would be an exception, so I think the less I say about this, the better. Obviously I like it when my country does good, ...but at the same time it feels kind of like... oh I don't know, ...how would you feel if you knew returns on your investment portfolio was about to increase 7000 to 8000%, and everybody knew it, ...while at the same time, your next door neighbours (Bonnie & Clyde) had invested quite heavily in Enron? Your excitement is gonna be tempered with concern for your neighbours ability to keep up with his own house payments, ...and knowing your neighbour as well as you do... well... we'll see what the future has in store for us both.

One thing I'd like to see is that wealth being reflected in people's lives. At one point Alberta was 'the' place to be. Robust economy, plenty of jobs, low housing costs, lots of opportunity. It was so prosperous, that Ralph Klein didn't know what to do with all the money, ...so he gave it back to Albertans. They were known as Prosperity bucks. Every man, woman, child etc., in the province got a cheque. Use to be guys would go out west, easily get a job at 6 figures a year, buy a home with a few acres of land for $100 - $200 K ( a home which in Toronto would easily be in the 7 figures). Nowadays the market is so overpriced, people can't buy homes, ...and those that can or do, ...are about to see the bottom fall out. There's alot of wealth in Alberta, ...specifically oil wealth, ...but at the same time, they have some of the highest fuel prices in the country.
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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2007, 08:08:21 AM »


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2092750,00.html


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Dude!  Shhhhh... stop spilling the beans.  >:(

Ok, now that the cat's out of the bag, ...isn't it typical... Canadians coming to the rescue of Americans.  :P  ;)

Iraq's oil boom isn't delayed, it's relocated to Canada
As Baghdad burns, destabilising the entire region and sending the price of oil soaring, Calgary booms


Naomi Klein
Friday June 1, 2007
The Guardian

The invasion of Iraq has set off what could be the largest oil boom in history. All the signs are there: multinationals free to gobble up national firms at will, ship unlimited profits home, enjoy leisurely "tax holidays", and pay a laughable 1% in royalties to the government.

This isn't the boom in Iraq sparked by the proposed new oil law - that will come later. This boom is already in full swing, and it is happening about as far away from the carnage in Baghdad as you can get, in the wilds of northern Alberta. For four years now, Alberta and Iraq have been connected to each other through a kind of invisible seesaw: as Baghdad burns, destabilising the entire region and sending oil prices soaring, Calgary booms.

Here is how chaos in Iraq unleashed what the Financial Times recently called "North America's biggest resources boom since the Klondike gold rush". Albertans have always known that in the northern part of their province there are vast deposits of bitumen - black, tarlike goo that is mixed up with sand, clay, water and oil. There are approximately 2.5 trillion barrels of the stuff, the largest hydrocarbon deposits in the world.

It is possible to turn Alberta's crud into crude, but it's awfully hard. One method is to mine it in vast open pits: first, forests are clear-cut, then topsoil scraped away. Next, huge machines dig out the black goop and load it into the largest dump trucks in the world (two stories high, a single wheel costs $100,000). The tar is diluted with water and solvents in giant vats, which spin it around until the oil rises to the top, while the massive tailings are dumped in ponds larger than the region's natural lakes. Another method is to separate the oil where it is: large drill-pipes push steam deep underground, which melts the tar, while another pipe sucks it out and transports it through several more stages of refining, much of it powered by natural gas.

Both techniques are costly: between $18 and $23 per barrel, just in expenses. Until quite recently, that made no economic sense. In the mid-80s, oil sold for $20 a barrel; in 1998-99, it was down to $12 a barrel. The major international players had no intention of paying more to get the oil than they could sell it for, which is why, when global oil reserves were calculated, the tar sands weren't even factored in. Everyone but a few heavily subsidised Canadian companies knew that the tar was staying put.

Then came the US invasion of Iraq. In March 2003, the price of oil reached $35 a barrel, raising the prospect of making a profit from the tar sands (the industry calls them "oil sands"). That year, the US Energy Information Administration "discovered" oil in the tar sands. It announced that Alberta - previously thought to have only 5bn barrels of oil - was actually sitting on at least 174bn "economically recoverable" barrels. The next year, Canada overtook Saudi Arabia as the leading provider of foreign oil to the US.

All this has meant that Iraq's oil boom has not been delayed; it has been relocated. All the majors, save BP, have rushed to northern Alberta: ExxonMobil, Chevron and Total, which alone plans to spend $9bn-$14bn. In April, Shell paid $8bn to take full control of its Canadian subsidiary. The town of Fort McMurray, ground zero of the boom, has nowhere to house the tens of thousands of new workers, and one company has built its own airstrip so it can fly in the people it needs.

Seventy-five percent of the oil from the tar sands flows directly to the US, prompting Brian Hall, an energy consultant with Colorado-based IHS, to call the tar sands "America's energy security blanket". There is a certain irony there: the US invaded Iraq at least in part to secure access to its oil. Now, thanks partly to economic blowback from that disastrous decision, it has found the "security" it was looking for right next door.

It has become fashionable to predict that high oil prices will spark a free-market response to climate change, setting off an "explosion of innovation in alternatives", as New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman wrote recently. Alberta puts the lie to that claim. High prices have indeed led to an R&D extravaganza, but it is squarely focused on figuring out how to get the dirtiest possible oil out of the hardest-to-reach places. Shell, for instance, is working on a "novel thermal recovery process" - embedding large electric heaters in the deposits and literally cooking the earth.

And that's the Alberta tar sands for you: the industry already contributing to climate change more than any other is frantically turning up the heat. The process of refining bitumen emits three to four times the greenhouse gases produced by extracting oil from traditional wells, making the tar sands the largest single contributor to Canada's growth in greenhouse gas emissions. The $100bn in projected investments from the tar sands have also turned Canada into a global climate renegade.

That money is the primary reason why, at next week's G8 summit in Heiligendamm, my country's oil-friendly prime minister, Stephen Harper, will join George Bush in opposing all serious attempts to cap or reduce greenhouse gases. Back at home, his government fully supports the oil industry's plans to more than triple tar sands production by 2020, with no end in sight. If prices stay high, it will soon become profitable to extract an additional 141bn barrels from the tar sands, which would place the largest oil reserves in the world in Alberta.

Developing the sands is devouring trees and wildlife - the Pembina Institute, the leading authority on the tar sands' environmental impact, warns that boreal forests covering "an area as large as the state of Florida" risk being levelled. Now it turns out that the main river feeding the industry the massive quantities of water it needs is in jeopardy. Climate scientists say that dropping water levels are the result - fittingly enough - of climate warming.

Contemplating the collective madness in Alberta - a scene even the Financial Times has labelled "some dystopian fantasy" - it strikes me that Canada has ended up with more than Iraq's displaced oil boom. We have its elusive weapons of mass destruction too. They are out near Fort McMurray, in the jet-black goo beneath the earth's crust. And with the help of trucks, pipes, steam and gas, these weapons are being detonated.

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I hope the picture is becoming clearer for more of you. This is why I say that fuel prices are not going down.
High fuel prices are here to stay, ...what we're seeing now, is simply a primer... getting us used to it. Last night I saw people filling up at 96.7 cents a litre, excited at what they considered to be low gas prices. 18 months ago 96 cents a litre was sending people into a knipfit.  With increased pollution and climate change gasses going into the atmosphere contributing to ground level ozone, ...we have to take action. The use of fossil fuels is not going away... it will only increase... along with the pollution... so what can we do about it?

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2007, 04:46:48 PM »
Although, the nature up there is supposed to be crazy beautiful. :-\

It is.  :)

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2007, 10:03:53 PM »
I talked a lady from Canada yesterday and she said she paid about 45 percent in taxes on a $50k annual salary.   :o

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2007, 11:47:40 AM »
I talked a lady from Canada yesterday and she said she paid about 45 percent in taxes on a $50k annual salary.   :o

Which Canada does she live in?

Federal tax rates for 2007 are:
15.5% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $37,179 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $37,178 and $74,357), +
26% on the next $46,530 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $74,357 and $120,887), +
29% of taxable income over $120,887

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html




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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2007, 12:07:09 PM »
Which Canada does she live in?

Federal tax rates for 2007 are:
15.5% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $37,179 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $37,178 and $74,357), +
26% on the next $46,530 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $74,357 and $120,887), +
29% of taxable income over $120,887

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html





She lived in British Columbia.  I've also been told by multiple Canadians that the tax rate for those making over $100k is 50 percent or higher. 

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2007, 12:11:43 PM »
She lived in British Columbia.  I've also been told by multiple Canadians that the tax rate for those making over $100k is 50 percent or higher. 

really??

British Columbia

5.7% on the first $34,397 of taxable income, +
8.65% on the next $34,397, +
11.1% on the next $10,190, +
13% on the next $16,925, +
14.7% on the amount over $95,909

 http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html  (same link as prior post)

from the little I've read they seem to have better retirement and health care too.


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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2007, 12:18:07 PM »
really??

British Columbia

5.7% on the first $34,397 of taxable income, +
8.65% on the next $34,397, +
11.1% on the next $10,190, +
13% on the next $16,925, +
14.7% on the amount over $95,909

 http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html  (same link as prior post)

from the little I've read they seem to have better retirement and health care too.



I'm sure there is more to Canadian taxes than this.  Based on what I've heard from a number of people, there is no way a person making $100k is paying 14 percent. 

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Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2007, 12:25:42 PM »
I'm sure there is more to Canadian taxes than this.  Based on what I've heard from a number of people, there is no way a person making $100k is paying 14 percent. 

maybe the provincial and federal rates are combined but even that wouldn't yield a rate of 50% (remember these are graduated rates)