Montreal Pro: Milos Sarcev 3 weeks out

[chester_bbb]

Let me look for it and I will post it, as well as some links to other forums as well.  You are correct though what you see on the graphs is the tail (which shows that it does stay in your system as long as Humulin R), however each individual has a different level of insulin sensitivity.  That is why I recommend that you try out the insulin and see what works best for you.  I was originally told that Humalog was the way to go to and it made me fat.  But it may work differently with you.  The point I was getting at was you cant just go with a blanket statement that one type is better than the other, you have to try them out and make your own decision. 

Be safe and start out slow.

Dballn, was it hard to shed the fat you got from using slin or is it the same as if you put on the fat naturally and then dieted down.

[bentone]

The Coach

Man I have not heard anybody talk about Dr. Kerr in a while. Great guy may he R.I.P

[dearth]

Dearth,
Your understanding of Bodybuilding is incorrect. Milos's Clients have results because of his unparalleled knowlodge in exercise science, supplements and nutrition. It is not mystical steroid cycle that can make you grow more....that is what the Losers will always want to believe to satisfy their self pity. Steroids are a part of BB ....but nutrition and genetics are more fundamental elements.

"Evil Angel"

Your faith in Milos telling the truth is misplaced. He has no incentive to reveal his
actual prescribed dosages much less anything that would implicate his as a "salesman".
btw - the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

hope this helps

[biceps]

The Excalibur Dec.1

Is that a NPC contest ?

[The Coach]

Is that a NPC contest ?

Yes, I'll be in the Open and Masters.

[Dballn247]

Dballn, was it hard to shed the fat you got from using slin or is it the same as if you put on the fat naturally and then dieted down.

Not really as I started to cut it back as soon as I noticed the unwanted effects, tired all the time and more fat around my belly button.  I immediately ceased the slin, added some winny, tren and a bit of clen and I was back to square one.  I then tried the Humalin R, doesn't kick in as quick so not quite as scary, and my gains were more consistent with the gains described on the boards regarding insulin.  Greatest thing about it is you don't have to use 1500mgs of test a week.  You can def get buy with 500 and grow like crazy.  Throw in some in 75 mgs of fina ed or eod, 30mgs of Dbol ed or 50 mgs or winny and you should get some pretty solid gains.  Take all of it at the same time and well......you'll see.  The extra 20 spent on the slin will make your drugs go alot farther.  Just make sure that you have carbs on standby.

If you are just getting started, I would stay away from slin until you see what AAS work for you.  Once you've found the ones that work, you can quit that trial and error BS and then progress to the next stage.

Be careful.......although it is legal, it is dangerous stuff.

I am currently looking for research on Taking IGF1 and anabolics/androgenics as opposed to Insulin use. 

[biceps]

Not really as I started to cut it back as soon as I noticed the unwanted effects, tired all the time and more fat around my belly button.  I immediately ceased the slin, added some winny, tren and a bit of clen and I was back to square one.  I then tried the Humalin R, doesn't kick in as quick so not quite as scary, and my gains were more consistent with the gains described on the boards regarding insulin.  Greatest thing about it is you don't have to use 1500mgs of test a week.  You can def get buy with 500 and grow like crazy.  Throw in some in 75 mgs of fina ed or eod, 30mgs of Dbol ed or 50 mgs or winny and you should get some pretty solid gains.  Take all of it at the same time and well......you'll see.  The extra 20 spent on the slin will make your drugs go alot farther.  Just make sure that you have carbs on standby.

If you are just getting started, I would stay away from slin until you see what AAS work for you.  Once you've found the ones that work, you can quit that trial and error BS and then progress to the next stage.

Be careful.......although it is legal, it is dangerous stuff.

I am currently looking for research on Taking IGF1 and anabolics/androgenics as opposed to Insulin use. 

How old you are and for how long you been wokingout ?

[Van_Bilderass]

I am currently looking for research on Taking IGF1 and anabolics/androgenics as opposed to Insulin use. 

IGF-1 is another rather unimpressive substance IME. Haven't seen it do much. Everyone on the boards raves about it, about the massive gains they made with it, but where are all the dudes that transformed their bodies with it? Actually I think it mostly just makes you leaner.

[no one]

IGF-1 is another rather unimpressive substance IME. Haven't seen it do much. Everyone on the boards raves about it, about the massive gains they made with it, but where are all the dudes that transformed their bodies with it? Actually I think it mostly just makes you leaner.

ever use it?

didnt think so.

so, STFU.

[Van_Bilderass]

ever use it?

didnt think so.

so, STFU.

Yup, sure did.

Did you? What did it do for you?

[Dballn247]

IGF-1 is another rather unimpressive substance IME. Haven't seen it do much. Everyone on the boards raves about it, about the massive gains they made with it, but where are all the dudes that transformed their bodies with it? Actually I think it mostly just makes you leaner.

I've also heard this as well, that is disappointing. Some have mentioned it is like growth in the respect that you will not put on to much muscle, but you will lose BF and gain a few pounds of Lean mass.  It (growth) does work well on the slin.

How old you are and for how long you been wokingout ?

 

About 14 years, started in highschool for football and wrestling, then got into powerlifting then BB.  Try to stay between 220 and 240.  It took about 4-5 years to find out what drugs worked best for me, once you find out what works for you.  For me it is the Basics: Test, Dbol, Deca, Winny, Halo's and Tren.  Everything else is gravy.   

[D.L. 5]

why do u do drugs? u compete? got any pics?

do u think naturals get shafted for all their hardwork with a worse look

[Dballn247]

why do u do drugs? u compete? got any pics?

do u think naturals get shafted for all their hardwork with a worse look

Used drugs to speed up the recovery time, the increased strength is a plus but more important to a powerlifter than a BB.  I did compete until I blew out my back in the Marines.  There are a few off season pics on here, my Bitch Ex girl, took all my shit when I was deployed so I hardly have any pics of me in shape.  Still have the trophies though and NPC card, that is how Ron verified who I am.

As far as Nat's some look good, but It is really hard to tell who is a Nat these days.  If you use Test Suspension and Insulin for your contest prep, you can pretty much be sure that your test will come back clean.  A lot of the top Nattys use gear.  They are the top nattys cause they know how to get by the tests.

[D.L. 5]

As far as Nat's some look good, but It is really hard to tell who is a Nat these days.  If you use Test Suspension and Insulin for your contest prep, you can pretty much be sure that your test will come back clean.  A lot of the top Nattys use gear.  They are the top nattys cause they know how to get by the tests.

that is why I WILL NEVER COMPETE IN NATURAL SHOW that is not polygraph tested ( a new federation in Australia tests with Polygraph and several lost their winners place! now imagine there was no poly...those guys would have won unfairly)

that sucks about ur pics...u must be pissed off.

When i finally i get ripped in shape for first time, i will get photos done so i remember (i will be small mass-wise but ripped)...then in a few years as i build my body well, i will do it again and be impressive in ripped shape. its just as natural, as i get leaner i realise i really didnt have much muscle, i thought i had alot more.

[BEAST 8692]

that is why I WILL NEVER COMPETE IN NATURAL SHOW that is not polygraph tested ( a new federation in Australia tests with Polygraph and several lost their winners place! now imagine there was no poly...those guys would have won unfairly)

that sucks about ur pics...u must be pissed off.

When i finally i get ripped in shape for first time, i will get photos done so i remember (i will be small mass-wise but ripped)...then in a few years as i build my body well, i will do it again and be impressive in ripped shape. its just as natural, as i get leaner i realise i really didnt have much muscle, i thought i had alot more.

the poly test is not hard to beat if you know how so i don't put any stock in that. if it were infallible they would be using it in criminal trials and the world would be a much safer place. they don't because it's not.

coach, you have come from every 70s and 80s bber going off androgens to shred to 'usually in the last 2 weeks'. you have a little further to go but your full of shit status is intact. thankyou.

oh, btw, you came up with ZERO on why/how milos stays cut up at 260 in his late 40s by JUST taking insulin.

and milos??? well, the truth got a little too confronting for him also and it appears he's gone on hiatus again. funny how he loves chatting here when he's in control but melts down and leaves when he gets asked the tough questions. hmmmmm...

[chaos]

the poly test is not hard to beat if you know how so i don't put any stock in that. if it were infallible they would be using it in criminal trials and the world would be a much safer place. they don't because it's not.

coach, you have come from every 70s and 80s bber going off androgens to shred to 'usually in the last 2 weeks'. you have a little further to go but your full of shit status is intact. thankyou.

oh, btw, you came up with ZERO on why/how milos stays cut up at 260 in his late 40s by JUST taking insulin.

and milos??? well, the truth got a little too confronting for him also and it appears he's gone on hiatus again. funny how he loves chatting here when he's in control but melts down and leaves when he gets asked the tough questions. hmmmmm...

I think the guy is only 43, I don't think that is considered his late 40's

Why don't you try his style of training and see what results you get?

[D.L. 5]

the poly test is not hard to beat if you know how so i don't put any stock in that. if it were infallible they would be using it in criminal trials and the world would be a much safer place. they don't because it's not.

well i guess its not even worth entering any contest...how fucked up is that!

I have read blogs of people on the net (in aus) talking about how they have done cycles then entered natural comps...how fuckin pathetic. that gets zero respect from me.

[Van_Bilderass]

coach, you have come from every 70s and 80s bber going off androgens to shred to 'usually in the last 2 weeks'. you have a little further to go but your full of shit status is intact. thankyou.

I don't know about *every* bodybuilder back then coming off the last 2 weeks, but from what I hear it wasn't uncommon. Even today some do it because they believe it makes them crispier (I mentioned Bob Chick saying he does this earlier in this thread). I know some personally who do this. With the GH it's more standard than not for the water retention. Of course if you've been on injectables as well you've still got some androgen in your bloodstream carrying you in.

I don't think Coach is making this up.

[BEAST 8692]

I think the guy is only 43, I don't think that is considered his late 40's

Why don't you try his style of training and see what results you get?

sorry, my mistake, i was under the impression that he was getting closer to 50. not being a smart ass. he does look great at any age.

i am not a bber and simply gaining muscle weight for the sake of it would be suicide for what i do. frankly, if the muscle i gain isn't strong and fast then i would be better off getting fat. muscle uses energy and saps oxygen quickly. i would be like an asthmatic rhino.

i am not even close to qualified to say milos' methods don't work. milos kicks my ass all over the place in bbing terms. he is a proven top flight competitor and was very successful.

if you look at my posts aimed at milos, i'm just calling it as i see it. he has made some pretty outlandish assertions and i want him to back it up is all.

i was just looking through a very old weider mag, 1986 m & f today and i see advertisements on every page where wild claims were made for his 'anabolic mega packs' and 'dynamic weight gainer', etc

now let's just take a look at the weight gainer. it goes something like, "let joe weider, trainer of champions, put pounds of muscle on you every day like the champions do. we know hoe to add beef and you can add a pound a day by simply drinking these great tasting shakes."

i can only imagine how many people became poor fat asses by doing just this.

weider propped up his steroid using bbers as solid evidence of his amazing milk powder when the reality is that all those supplements combined had as much to do with their development as cheese cake.

didn't stop joe weider from become a very rich man though, did it?

my point is, if no one questions these guys hard, it seems to just get accepted as fact. look how quickly seemingly everyone here melts to this guy. truth is, he's brilliant. he gives you just enough truth to look credible (people have become a bit wiser since the old weider days) and then he tries to hawk his product.

no, milos is not selling insulin, but he is claiming that insulin alone can get you a physique like his which is pure bullshit. then he reminds you that his product acts like/and in conjunction with insulin.

as for his attemtps at downgrading his criminal conviction, well, he's not fooling me, let's put it that way. i don't think steroid possession should be illegal but milos wasn't just conspiring to possess steroids. the fact that he has gone a step further and say he was simply asking about a couple...lmao.

chaos, i'm glad you're achieving your goals with milos and i wish you every success, as i said, the man is qualified and then some.

[BEAST 8692]

I don't know about *every* bodybuilder back then coming off the last 2 weeks, but from what I hear it wasn't uncommon. Even today some do it because they believe it makes them crispier (I mentioned Bob Chick saying he does this earlier in this thread). I know some personally who do this. With the GH it's more standard than not for the water retention. Of course if you've been on injectables as well you've still got some androgen in your bloodstream carrying you in.

I don't think Coach is making this up.

perhaps not, but it's a little too simplistic or maybe i just like arguing like he said.

many of the orals taken right up to the day of the show were androgenic aswell as anabolic. i'd love to hear exactly what anabolics (that weren't androgenic) coach believes were taken the last 2 - 4 weeks?

the water retention issue was solved by ceasing the oil based tests, water intake and diuretic manipulation with the carb load.

[chaos]

sorry, my mistake, i was under the impression that he was getting closer to 50. not being a smart ass. he does look great at any age.

i am not a bber and simply gaining muscle weight for the sake of it would be suicide for what i do. frankly, if the muscle i gain isn't strong and fast then i would be better off getting fat. muscle uses energy and saps oxygen quickly. i would be like an asthmatic rhino.

i am not even close to qualified to say milos' methods don't work. milos kicks my ass all over the place in bbing terms. he is a proven top flight competitor and was very successful.

if you look at my posts aimed at milos, i'm just calling it as i see it. he has made some pretty outlandish assertions and i want him to back it up is all.

i was just looking through a very old weider mag, 1986 m & f today and i see advertisements on every page where wild claims were made for his 'anabolic mega packs' and 'dynamic weight gainer', etc

now let's just take a look at the weight gainer. it goes something like, "let joe weider, trainer of champions, put pounds of muscle on you every day like the champions do. we know hoe to add beef and you can add a pound a day by simply drinking these great tasting shakes."

i can only imagine how many people became poor fat asses by doing just this.

weider propped up his steroid using bbers as solid evidence of his amazing milk powder when the reality is that all those supplements combined had as much to do with their development as cheese cake.

didn't stop joe weider from become a very rich man though, did it?

my point is, if no one questions these guys hard, it seems to just get accepted as fact. look how quickly seemingly everyone here melts to this guy. truth is, he's brilliant. he gives you just enough truth to look credible (people have become a bit wiser since the old weider days) and then he tries to hawk his product.

no, milos is not selling insulin, but he is claiming that insulin alone can get you a physique like his which is pure bullshit. then he reminds you that his product acts like/and in conjunction with insulin.

as for his attemtps at downgrading his criminal conviction, well, he's not fooling me, let's put it that way. i don't think steroid possession should be illegal but milos wasn't just conspiring to possess steroids. the fact that he has gone a step further and say he was simply asking about a couple...lmao.

chaos, i'm glad you're achieving your goals with milos and i wish you every success, as i said, the man is qualified and then some.

I am not training with Milos, just in his gym. I see the amount of work and torture his guys and he goes through to get a workout, it's insane. I don't now about insulin or any other drugs or his shakes for that matter,( did try a sample of each and they do taste great,) all I know is what I see with my own eyes and he busts his ass and stays lean all year, never bloated or blurred lines.

Now his regime of supplements, what he takes, who knows, you cannot make an assumption that you know he is on other AAS, unless you are there with him. my point is after all these years of training, isn't it possible that is all he is taking(insulin). he only needs to maintain his muscle mass, not add to it. The guy is that weight and condition all the time.period.

[The Coach]

coach, you have come from every 70s and 80s bber going off androgens to shred to 'usually in the last 2 weeks'. you have a little further to go but your full of shit status is intact. thankyou.

Hahah, how Ironic........you've gone from saying that the list you posted was ALL androgenic, then I pointed out that infact some on that list were mostly anabolic.........you full of shit status is waaay more intact than mine.

Quick serious question.........how old are you? I mean dude....at least post a pic to show SOME credibility.

[Van_Bilderass]

many of the orals taken right up to the day of the show were androgenic aswell as anabolic. i'd love to hear exactly what anabolics (that weren't androgenic) coach believes were taken the last 2 - 4 weeks?

It's true that the anabolic/androgenic classification that bodybuilders use is unscientific. What they really mean by anabolics are drugs that aren't known to promote water retention. For example, Winstrol is known as an anabolic but is in fact quite androgenic (nasty on females). Anadrol is thought to be an androgen but isn't extremely androgenic (but can cause water retention). Scientifically testosterone is the androgen and pretty much all steroids developed since then were developed with the purpose of increasing the anabolic effects i.e. they are anabolic steroids.

[The Coach]

sorry, my mistake, i was under the impression that he was getting closer to 50. not being a smart ass. he does look great at any age.

i am not a bber and simply gaining muscle weight for the sake of it would be suicide for what i do. frankly, if the muscle i gain isn't strong and fast then i would be better off getting fat. muscle uses energy and saps oxygen quickly. i would be like an asthmatic rhino.

If you're not a BBer, then what do you train for? Are you an athlete?

[D.L. 5]

If you're not a BBer, then what do you train for? Are you an athlete?

if ur not bber. why on this forum?