Religion is Horseshit

[OzmO]

It is not about who created it, but about who it was prepared for.   

Yeah, but my questions wasn't who it was prepared for, my question was is who created hell?  Because i thought he created everything......or is that not true?

[The Next BIG Thing!]

It is not about who created it, but about who it was prepared for.   

That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.


TNBT

[OzmO]

That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.

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How can you defend a "suspension of reason" with anything other than riddles?

[loco]

Yeah, but my questions wasn't who it was prepared for, my question was is who created hell?  Because i thought he created everything......or is that not true?

OzmO, what are you arguing about?  I dind't say that God did not create hell.  I said that hell was not created for humans.   

[OzmO]

OzmO, what are you arguing about?  I dind't say that God did not create hell.  I said that hell was not created for humans.   

Oh ok,  so he didn't create hell for humans?   Who did he create hell for?

[The Next BIG Thing!]

How can you defend a "suspension of reason" with anything other than riddles?

Suspension of reason? In other words, common sense as we know it (groan!) goes out the window.

Yeah, never mind cynicism or scepticism, or even doubt. Just believe our HORSESHIT so we can control you.

That's a key word when it comes to organised religion. Control. Throughout history, churches and churchmen have been dogmatic. This is how it was, how it is, and how it's gonna be. Your tiny mortal opinion is as nothing, so best button it and do what we tell you.

Christ, the air's THICK with horseshit!

TNBT

[beatmaster]

That's precisely the type of riddle shite I referred to a few posts ago.


TNBT

exactly....... don't worry, they always come with some kind of answers.

[loco]

Oh ok,  so he didn't create hell for humans?   Who did he create hell for?

for the devil and his angels.

[OzmO]

Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?   

[24KT]

Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?   

***CRICKETS***
pssst- OzmO, I think you stumped them 

[loco]

Oh so when we die we don't go to hell if we don't accept Jesus as our savior?   

Wrong.  Just because hell was not created for you does not mean that you won't go there if you choose to pay for your own sins.  There is only one of two places where you will go when you die, Heaven or Hell.  Heaven is where those who repent and believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour will go.  You are either with God or you are with the devil.  There is no neutral ground.  So choose your side, and choose wisely.

Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son

[OzmO]

Wrong.  Just because hell was not created for you does not mean that you won't go there if you choose to pay for your own sins.  There is only one of two places where you will go when you die, Heaven or Hell.  Heaven is where those who repent and believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour will go.  You are either with God or you are with the devil.  There is no neutral ground.  So choose your side, and choose wisely.

Matthew 25:41
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son

So then, even the all the Jews are going to burn too?

[loco]

So then, even the all the Jews are going to burn too?

OzmO, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were all Jews, the writers of the New Testament were all Jews, the first Christians and the first churches were all Jew.  Salvation is not just for Jews or just for Americans.  Salvation is for all.

[columbusdude82]

St Peter was the first Catholic.

[OzmO]

OzmO, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were all Jews, the writers of the New Testament were all Jews, the first Christians and the first churches were all Jew.  Salvation is not just for Jews or just for Americans.  Salvation is for all.

So if all the Jews who ever lived since the death of Jesus only the ones who accepted Jesus will go?


So pretty much the whole Jewish religion is not the Word of God also?

Answering directly, yes or no, with an explanation or scripture quote is a great way to respond.....   

[The Next BIG Thing!]

Aaaaaah... All this talk of hell, hades, damnation, whatever the fuck you choose to call it... Let's assume for a moment that there is some unpleasant place or tormented consciousness, to which we mortals are condemned as punishment for Earthly sins.

Can it really be the same shit for us all? I mean, what if you LIKE fire and brimstone? Surely hell must be subjective.

I'm not such a great guy, certainly don't give a fuck for the bible, so I guess I'm hellbound.

I'm not sure what my personal hell will be like, but I'm reasonably sure it'll involve rap music and that Charmed show with the skinny brunettes.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!


TNBT

[loco]

So if all the Jews who ever lived since the death of Jesus only the ones who accepted Jesus will go?

Yes

So pretty much the whole Jewish religion is not the Word of God also?

It is, and it points to Jesus.

Answering directly, yes or no, with an explanation or scripture quote is a great way to respond.....   

Are you being sarcastic?

If you truly want an explanation and you are not just playing games, if you truly are looking for answers, why not ask a Jew?

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers

Also, read the book of Hebrews in the New Testament.  Hope this helps!   

[columbusdude82]

What about the Jews who aren't for Jesus?

I hear there's a whole country of them...

[loco]

What about the Jews who aren't for Jesus?

Same as anybody who isn't for Jesus.  Scroll up.  OzmO just asked that question, and I answered.

I hear there's a whole country of them...

In Israel, there are Orthodox Jews, Christian Jews, Muslim Jews, secular Jews, etc.

[columbusdude82]

Christian Jews? Muslim Jews? Fascinating!!!

I am an orthodox Pastafarian myself. Thinking of switching to Reform Pastafarianism though.

[loco]

Christian Jews? Muslim Jews? Fascinating!!!

I am an orthodox Pastafarian myself. Thinking of switching to Reform Pastafarianism though.

What, a Jew can't convert to Christianity?  A Jew can't convert to Islam?

[columbusdude82]

They can, for all I care.

Pity that so few of them have been blessed with knowledge of the One True Lord, the Noodly One.

May He bless us all with His Noodly Appendage. RAMEN.

[loco]

They can, for all I care.

Pity that so few of them have been blessed with knowledge of the One True Lord, the Noodly One.

May He bless us all with His Noodly Appendage. RAMEN.

 

[OzmO]

I think heaven is going to be full of imperfect souls before God. 

It's like a Rich person's club with 99.99999999% lottery winners and only a few who actually earned their money.

God, will be looking at a mob of posers.   

[loco]

I think heaven is going to be full of imperfect souls before God.

That is correct, for who is perfect? 

It's like a Rich person's club with 99.99999999% lottery winners and only a few who actually earned their money.

Lottery winners do not choose to win.  But you can choose to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  As for "only a few who actually earned their money", you cannot earn your salvation.  It is a gift from God.

God, will be looking at a mob of posers.   

Actually, someone who "poses" as a Christian will not enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who genuinely repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour.  God cannot be fooled.  God looks at the heart.