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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2007, 03:37:13 PM »
I thought that the other option for "Zion" was in Argentine?

You are right JBGRAY, as soon as you touch the subject people are shocked. While there is often blatant racism here and nobody flinches...

What do you think about this statement. I heard it from a dutch jewish writer. He basically said that it was Hitler's biggest mistake to fight the jews. What happened was the jews with money and power left the country, taking away their brains, wealth and craftsmanship. While the germans basically had to put in effort to search for and get rid of the rest. He claimed that jews have a strong nationalistic side, and that jewish culture is very inclined to fascism. (In italy 1/3 of the jews joined Mussolini's fascist party.)

The atom bomb in WW2 was mainly built by European scientists who had fled, quite often jewish (e.g. Einstein).
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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2007, 04:42:18 PM »
BTW, I do support Israel and its people and believe that the people there deserve to live without the threat of being blown up or attacked by their neighbors and their immigrant residents. 

why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.

haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)

thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.

the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2007, 06:02:41 PM »
why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.

haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)

thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.

the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple

I looooooooooove this post. Great post :-*

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2007, 06:12:49 PM »
I looooooooooove this post. Great post :-*

and completely factually inaccurate.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2007, 06:21:03 PM »
why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.

haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)

thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.

the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple

But it's been like 50+ years.. Israel exists, accept it already.

The jews are on top and there's not a damn thing to be done about it. We can't go chucking them into camps, but we can try and get on par. That's the only real way to bring about real change.

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and completely factually inaccurate.

Bring about the facts, Al.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2007, 08:11:53 PM »
and completely factually inaccurate.

I still liked it though! Perhaps I am simply easily pleased and need to raise standards or something! :D

Seriously, plz feel free to post what you feel is inaccurate in it. Not a 'challenge', I am genuinely interested.


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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2007, 11:34:02 AM »
and completely factually inaccurate.
straighten things up for me i wanna know

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2007, 04:39:55 PM »
I'll try to do it briefly.  at the turn of the 20th c there was a jewish minority in the area now known as israel . . . they were subjected to repeated attacks by the majority arab population, but they hung in there.  At this time, ottomans (turks) still ruled, so muslims were favored.

after WWI, the ottomans lost palestine, and the british took it over.  they allowed some jewish migration, but mostly tried to prevent it.  however, in the 1930s, thanks to the germans and their pals, many more jews began to arrive.  the creation of a jewish state cannot be separated from german (and russian) persecution, and apathy on the part of the western europe (although powerful jews like the rothschilds were able to provide some relief).  no (or even lesser) persecution would have meant that zionism would not have become as dominant as it has among the jewish peoples.

in any case, the british decided shortly after WWII that they were going to leave palestine.  they wanted to split it up into a jewish state and an arab state (sorta like splitting india up into india and pakistan along religious lines). the jews were willing to split palestine up, but the arabs would have none of that . . . and lots of violence erupted.  once the british left, the arabs thought they would just kill all the jews in israel . . . they tried . . . and we all know how that story ended for those sorry bastards.

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1.  It's not like modern americans and indians.  the arabs were not sovereign b/c they didn't have the brains or balls to be . .

2.  they could have had an arab state from the beginning, but they were too greedy.

3.  they tried to kill the jews off, but they failed miserably.

4.  then they sorta got what was coming to them for being generally incompetent.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2007, 08:47:58 PM »
How much could we have done for our own citizens with the money we're given them and loans forgiven over the last 20 years?

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2007, 01:46:35 AM »
Israel will always be a politically incorrect state to support, but I support it.
The Israelis speak a language the Arabs understand ( you send a rocket into Israel and we send a shell back) and that seems to piss a lot of the armchair politicians off.
Remember Destruction of the state of Israel is still written into the constitution of most Arab states.
Survival is more important to them than what is spoken by a bunch of toffee noses with all their airs and graces at a dinner table.
Sorta like in the Nam war it was better to be politically correct and have American soldiers die that take the bull by the horns and get victory.

And just remember there are lots and lots of "Arabs Israels" being formed around the world in Africa, America, England, Europe that is politically correct to turn a blind eye to LOL.

Politically correct is not always morally correct or the right thing.
Politically correct just means the social flavour of the month to support.
It is often harder to the right thing.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2007, 04:12:53 AM »
The above post is genius. Can any of you stupid liberal apologists obsessed with morality refute his points?
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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2007, 05:28:56 AM »
I'm not saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Merely that we aren't obligated to pay for it's support. The money we've given them is sickening, considering there are still poor people in our own country. Most of our homeless are veterans and we're sending money overseas because one country's offspring has hijacked the political process. The ugly mix of a shared religious mythology and being continally reminded of the holocaust has blinded us on this matter.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2007, 09:39:13 AM »
ok i cant see any good reason AT ALL for why exactly we give so much support to israel. all our relationship with that 'country' does us is HARM.

the NUMBER ONE reason why all the middle east hates us is cause we support Israel so strongly.

alot of the middle east may be barbaric, but why exactly do teh jewbagels get to show up out of the blue and say 'all right this is ours now, get off 'our' land, or we will kill you'. i fully understand the arabs' anger towards them and dont get why we assign them so much legitimacy and say israel 'has a right to exist'

WHY exactly ::) because the west feels guilty about the holocaust thats why ::)

it seems to me like we defend them so fiercly only because the jews have so much political clout and money and influence. there is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for our staunch support of them. all it does is make us millions of enemies who make it their lives goal to kill us.

the only way we are going to get the radical islam monkey off our backs is this: pull all our forces out of iraq and afghanistan(why should we be involved in what they do if all they want to do is kill each other-let them settle things for themselves) and then we should ATTACK ISRAEL and wipe their illigitmate little 'state' off the map. guarenteed there would be no more muslims attacking our country.

the core of ALL out middle east problems, at the very basic level, is not afghanistan, or iraq, or iran even, its ISRAEL

Ok, so you have a need to prove how ignorant little piece of nazi crap you are, and you finally find a perfect way to do that? Congratulations for your accomplishment, you stupid shit. Why don't you pull your head out from your ass, and look a round, and then think hard: Israel & Jews are a same. Jews owns about half of your country, they are employees, they own property, they do business which make your country going on, so what happens when you fu*ck with Israel? You fu*ck your own ass, because Jews would take their business, their investments, all their money and leave you monkeys wonder what the hell happened, while your nation goes to bankrupt. Then you have no Jews, no beaners, no slaves, no one but you to do all the work for you, and that is situation which you have never seen. Your country goes broke and it will be sold to russians or north koreans, whose ever is willing to pay something, get's it. Do you even know how much of your money belongs to foreign countries? Jews, Arabs, Asians etc. own most of your business, so you really don't want to hassle with them  ;D

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2007, 10:29:55 AM »
Yeah the only reason is Israel ::)
One of the biggest reasons, I see you're in denial trying to see the whole picture here.

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Oh look, a moslem spouting shite about Zionism ::)
Where? Do you favor zionism?
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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2007, 12:24:24 PM »
Ok, so you have a need to prove how ignorant little piece of nazi crap you are, and you finally find a perfect way to do that? Congratulations for your accomplishment, you stupid shit. Why don't you pull your head out from your ass, and look a round, and then think hard: Israel & Jews are a same. Jews owns about half of your country, they are employees, they own property, they do business which make your country going on, so what happens when you fu*ck with Israel? You fu*ck your own ass, because Jews would take their business, their investments, all their money and leave you monkeys wonder what the hell happened, while your nation goes to bankrupt. Then you have no Jews, no beaners, no slaves, no one but you to do all the work for you, and that is situation which you have never seen. Your country goes broke and it will be sold to russians or north koreans, whose ever is willing to pay something, get's it. Do you even know how much of your money belongs to foreign countries? Jews, Arabs, Asians etc. own most of your business, so you really don't want to hassle with them  ;D
so questioning why the US supports israel despite recieving only harm from the relationship makes me a Nazi ::)
typical response from the pro-israel morons

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2007, 12:34:43 PM »
so questioning why the US supports israel despite recieving only harm from the relationship makes me a Nazi ::)
typical response from the pro-israel morons

If you're going to be that naive about the relationship w Israel, then you're either being willfully ignorant or just stupid . . .

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2007, 12:49:29 PM »
If you're going to be that naive about the relationship w Israel, then you're either being willfully ignorant or just stupid . . .
so what is this incredibly valuable thing that we get from them, that is worth the millions of fanatics who will stop at nothing to kill americans that our relationship with them creates?

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2007, 01:44:12 PM »
Too many americans in positions of high power are jews.. And yes, it's that simple.

That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.

JohnMatrix's questions are legit, but several people have answered already.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2007, 02:01:51 PM »
ok i cant see any good reason AT ALL for why exactly we give so much support to israel. all our relationship with that 'country' does us is HARM.

the NUMBER ONE reason why all the middle east hates us is cause we support Israel so strongly.

alot of the middle east may be barbaric, but why exactly do teh jewbagels get to show up out of the blue and say 'all right this is ours now, get off 'our' land, or we will kill you'. i fully understand the arabs' anger towards them and dont get why we assign them so much legitimacy and say israel 'has a right to exist'

WHY exactly ::) because the west feels guilty about the holocaust thats why ::)

it seems to me like we defend them so fiercly only because the jews have so much political clout and money and influence. there is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for our staunch support of them. all it does is make us millions of enemies who make it their lives goal to kill us.

the only way we are going to get the radical islam monkey off our backs is this: pull all our forces out of iraq and afghanistan(why should we be involved in what they do if all they want to do is kill each other-let them settle things for themselves) and then we should ATTACK ISRAEL and wipe their illigitmate little 'state' off the map. guarenteed there would be no more muslims attacking our country.

the core of ALL out middle east problems, at the very basic level, is not afghanistan, or iraq, or iran even, its ISRAEL
post of the century, couldn't agree more.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2007, 08:59:25 PM »
Too many americans in positions of high power are jews.. And yes, it's that simple.

That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.

JohnMatrix's questions are legit, but several people have answered already.

What favoritism do blacks get?

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2007, 09:02:29 PM »
What favoritism do blacks get?

yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2007, 09:49:02 PM »
yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.

Blues, jazz, art, black on blond porn, etc... I see what you mean.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2007, 03:18:36 AM »
That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.

This is why I highly doubt I see an ethnic descent president of the USA in my lifetime. When white men are running they are simply seen as men, as candidates. When a man who is also running, but simply is a different color - he is not judged on his merits many times - he is being judged on his skin. I find it incredibly sad, sitting where I am, all the media coverage of the mans skin color. It's 2007 - and the most I hear about Obama is his race, not his policies. I notice that I don't hear many news reports about Edwards/Rudy/Thompson and being caucasian, but Obama can barely be covered without it being said he is black. Notable to me as here the people's policies are covered, not their race.

Unless some party rolls a canditate who is bright pink with purple stripes, I can't really see why such a big deal is made.

PS: Thanks for your post Al-Gebra.

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2007, 03:32:16 AM »
One of the biggest reasons, I see you're in denial trying to see the whole picture here.
Where? Do you favor zionism?

Yeah I favour Zionism (Israel) over murderous islamic facism (saudi, iran, palest (hamas)).

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Re: WHY do we support ISRAEL????
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2007, 07:53:05 AM »
yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.

Under Western civilization philosophies and management.  Blacks wouldn't have invented the egg beater, the elevator, or the lawn sprinkler without the nation they lived in being under European ideology.  The only exception I can think of off the top of my hand is small pox inoculation which was used for many years in Africa before there was any European contact. 

All I am saying is race doesn't have much to do with it in as much as the type of civilization that is in place.  I do not see these inventions being invented in Africa at the time.