Author Topic: Who do you think USED to juice and who do you think CURRENTLY juice in MMA? (Read 3567 times)

Bluto · « **on:** September 12, 2007, 11:31:35 AM »

Discuss

Geo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:31:44 PM »

Monson's the only guy that's visably jacked to me

Bluto · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:32:54 PM »

funny how he went on talking about how stupid it would be to juice bla bla you would obviously get caught bla bla recently in an interview

im thinking whether ken shamrock was juiced back in the day

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:34:08 PM »

I think Randy is allowed to get away with it.
It wouldn't be too shocking if he's natural though because he's a hardass.
He probably trained like an animal his whole life.

I think Houston Alexander is because he's so blocky, and looks to have gyno.

I think Cro Cop was juicing.

Bluto · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:37:16 PM »

would be ironic if natural came out being a juice head

but maybe they just dont test him, would fuck with the ratings and the cashflow

houston is a suspect candidate, but he could be one of those black guys thats been lifting weights for 20 years and got some good genetics

mark kerr was full of pills, dont know how much was steroids though

wouldnt the people around him be suspects too.. coleman etc?

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:38:16 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 01:34:08 PM

I think Randy is allowed to get away with it.
It wouldn't be too shocking if he's natural though because he's a hardass.
He probably trained like an animal his whole life.

I think Houston Alexander is because he's so blocky, and looks to have gyno.

I think Cro Cop was juicing.

Why would you think that Randy would be allowed to. The Nevada commish. Wouldn't allow one fighter to get by and not the rest...

Geo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:38:34 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on September 12, 2007, 01:32:54 PM

funny how he went on talking about how stupid it would be to juice bla bla you would obviously get caught bla bla recently in an interview

im thinking whether ken shamrock was juiced back in the day

yeah I saw that interview,of course he's gonna say something like that and play it off if he is...

Bluto · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:40:24 PM »

Quote from: SinCitysmallGUY on September 12, 2007, 01:38:16 PM

Why would you think that Randy would be allowed to. The Nevada commish. Wouldn't allow one fighter to get by and not the rest...

they would if it's fixed

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on September 12, 2007, 01:40:24 PM

they would if it's fixed

You guys and your conspiracy theories.... Wow..

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:47:33 PM »

Ken Shamrock I would bet money it.
The guy is red as a beat sometimes, and his weight fluctuates constantly.

Alexander looks too blocky to me. Most natural black guys that are muscular have a flowing build. Kongo is probably a good example.

Bluto · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:50:00 PM »

alexander also got the most to win by being juiced as so much of his game is about power and strength.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on September 12, 2007, 01:50:00 PM

alexander also got the most to win by being juiced as so much of his game is about power and strength.

I don't know if this is bullshit or not, but I've heard people say you can tell a juicer if they have huge shoulders. Well, Alexander has huge, blocky shoulders. Compare that to Kongos rounded, yet muscular shoulders.

In any case, that's one of the most important muscles for power punching.

Dude needs a ground game though or he'll be picked apart.
He has the potential to be the next Rampage.

Lynch21 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2007, 01:56:52 PM »

Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman.

Geo · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:22:22 PM »

someone told me a while back that only title fights are tested by the NSAC..

don't know if thats bullshit or not

Archer77 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:23:19 PM »

In the UFC, Sherk was always on my radar for juice use and that has been confirmed recently. Kongo I think is on the juice because he seems considerably larger since the last time I saw him. My other choice for a possible juicer is Houston Alexander

As for Pride, I think most of them were on the juice at one time or another seeing as the rules were much looser.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:24:51 PM »

Does anyone know how they test for it?

It's a blood test no?

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:39:44 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 02:24:51 PM

Does anyone know how they test for it?

It's a blood test no?

I would think it would be a urinalisis test. That's how they popped Diaz after his fight...

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:42:59 PM »

That's easy to pass. They just need the whizzanator.

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:46:44 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 02:42:59 PM

That's easy to pass. They just need the whizzanator.

I'm sure that wouldn't work.. Might work for a probation person, but when your dealing with $1,000 of dollars I am sure they have someone watching to a degree or something. Plus I would think you wouldn't have time to strap one on....

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:58:56 PM »

You go in with it strapped on, and people watching.

It's a fake dick...

If your name is Randy Couture and they want to get some more miles outta you
before you retire due to old age, I think you could pass it.

But I could be wrong.

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2007, 03:03:01 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 02:58:56 PM

You go in with it strapped on, and people watching.

It's a fake dick...

If your name is Randy Couture and they want to get some more miles outta you
before you retire due to old age, I think you could pass it.

But I could be wrong.

I just can't imagine it going that far.. It's not hard to turn someone else into the peoples champ.... To much to risk.. Someone leaks info from the inside and then the NSAC losses all credibility to get a few more miles out of one guy.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2007, 03:09:20 PM »

Quote from: SinCitysmallGUY on September 12, 2007, 03:03:01 PM

I just can't imagine it going that far.. It's not hard to turn someone else into the peoples champ.... To much to risk.. Someone leaks info from the inside and then the NSAC losses all credibility to get a few more miles out of one guy.

I don't think so, because people assume some of these guys are juicing anyway.
It's not like it would be a shocking revelation if a UFC competitor is revealed as juicing.
It just serves to keep everything legal.

And it's very hard to create a new "people's champ" as the fans have been emotionally invested in Couture for so long, and he has the skills to back up his status. It's a rare combination.

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2007, 03:13:42 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 03:09:20 PM

I don't think so, because people assume some of these guys are juicing anyway.
It's not like it would be a shocking revelation if a UFC competitor is revealed as juicing.
It just serves to keep everything legal.

And it's very hard to create a new "people's champ" as the fans have been emotionally invested in Couture for so long, and he has the skills to back up his status. It's a rare combination.

i don;t know how much I agree. When Chuck beat Randy everyone was very invested in Chuck then he gets smoked by Rampage and now everyone is invested with Page... makes you kind of wonder where everyone's love is... Same thing with Rich and him losing his belt to Anderson... I think people are always gonna root for who has the belt, except for in a few situations. I just think Randy has the American story. That's why so many people have his back. Could be wrong but thats my opinion.

realkarateblackbelt · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2007, 03:18:13 PM »

Quote from: SinCitysmallGUY on September 12, 2007, 03:13:42 PM

i don;t know how much I agree. When Chuck beat Randy everyone was very invested in Chuck then he gets smoked by Rampage and now everyone is invested with Page... makes you kind of wonder where everyone's love is... Same thing with Rich and him losing his belt to Anderson... I think people are always gonna root for who has the belt, except for in a few situations. I just think Randy has the American story. That's why so many people have his back. Could be wrong but thats my opinion.

I think it's all true to a degree. All these guys are popular for different reasons-
Chuck's image, Randy's heroism, Rampage's attitude...the belt amplifies that.

But it sure didn't help Tim Sylvia at all.

I think if you're hated and you have the belt, you're hated even more.
If your loved you're loved more.

SinCitysmallGUY · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2007, 03:20:55 PM »

Quote from: realkarateblackbelt on September 12, 2007, 03:18:13 PM

I think it's all true to a degree. All these guys are popular for different reasons-
Chuck's image, Randy's heroism, Rampage's attitude...the belt amplifies that.

But it sure didn't help Tim Sylvia at all.

I think if you're hated and you have the belt, you're hated even more.
If your loved you're loved more.

I would agree wtih this statement.. Tim was hated because he wasn't a good champ. He didn't have any appeal.. Accept maybe if you grew up next to a nuculear power plant...