Ok.
Here's the deal: You claim that Islam is works based.
I am just asking you, not haider or Toxy, what do you base that statement on?
I was basing it from things I had learned about Islam in general. This included at least some of the 5 pillars described above. In my understanding it seemed they must keep/perform (at least some of) 5 pillars which constitute works-based in my opinion. Of course people can be mistaken at times and perhaps I am/was. But upon further review of web-based research I've come across the following:
"Indeed those, who have believed [now] and those, who became Jews and the Nazarenes and the Sabaeans, whoever truly believes in God and the Day of Judgment and does good deeds, they shall have their reward with their Lord. There they shall neither fear [the future] nor regret [the past]." Al-Baqarah 2:62
"The believers will most definitely succeed (in the hereafter). Those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vanities, who are active in deeds of charity; who preserve their chastity except from their spouses and from those whom they own, for they are free from blame, but those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors; and those who faithfully observe their trusts and their agreements; who (strictly) guard their prayers; these will be the heirs; who will inherit paradise, they will dwell therein for ever." Al-Mu'minoon 23:1-11
I just looked for our copy of the Qur'an and can't find it. Do you know if those are truly verses from the Qur'an Zach?
did you read the article I posted on the first page?
Interesting article MB_722. Thank you. Do you know anything about Daniel Pipes' background?