Some facts about muslims and the Islam

[Stark]

What is Islam ?

Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith.

Who are the Muslims?

One billion people from a vast range of races, nationalities and cultures across the globe - from the southern Philippines to Nigeria - are united by their common Islamic faith. About 18% live in the Arab world; the world's largest Muslim community is in Indonesia; substantial parts of Asia and most of Africa are Muslim, while significant minorities are to be found in the Soviet Union, China, North and South America, and Europe.

What do Muslims believe?

Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.

How does someone become a Muslim?

Simply by saying 'there is no god apart from God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God.' By this declaration the believer announces his or her faith in all God's messengers, and the scriptures they brought.

What does 'Islam' mean?

The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God. 'Mohammedanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad rather than God. 'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.

Why does Islam often seem strange?

Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion does not dominate everyday life in the West today, whereas Muslims have religion always uppermost in their minds, and make no division between secular and sacred. They believe that the Divine Law, the Shari'a, should be taken very seriously, which is why issues related to religion are still so important.

Do Islam and Christianity have different origins?

No. Together with Judaism, they go back to the prophet and patriarch Abraham, and their three prophets are directly descended from his sons Muhammad from the eldest, Ishmael, and Moses and Jesus from Isaac. Abraham established the settlement which today is the city of Makkah, and built the Ka'ba towards which all Muslims turn when they pray.

What is the Ka'ba?

The Ka'ba is the place of worship which God commanded Abraham and Ishmael to build over four thousand years ago. The building was constructed of stone on what many believe was the original site of a sanctuary established by Adam. God commanded Abraham to summon all mankind to visit this place, and when pilgrims go there today they say 'At Thy service, O Lord', in response to Abraham's summons.

Who is Muhammad?

Muhammad, was born in Makkah in the year 570, at a time when Christianity was not yet fully established in Europe. Since his father died before his birth, and his mother shortly afterwards, he was raised by his uncle from the respected tribe of Quraysh. As he grew up, he became known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity, so that he was sought after for his ability to arbitrate in disputes. The historians describe him as calm and meditative.

Muhammad was of a deeply religious nature, and had long detested the decadence of his society. It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the Cave of Hira near the summit of Jabal al-Nur, the 'Mountain of Light' near Makkah.

How did Muhammad become a prophet and a messenger of God?

At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat, Muhammad received his first revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation, which continued for twenty-three years, is known as the Quran.


The Mountain of Light
where Gabriel came to
Prophet Muhammad.

As soon as he began to recite the words he heard from Gabriel, and to preach the truth which God had revealed to him, he and his small group of followers suffered bitter persecution, which grew so fierce that in the year 622 God gave them the command to emigrate. This event, the Hijra, 'migration', in which they left Makkah for the city of Madinah some 260 miles to the north, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar.

After several years, the Prophet and his followers were able to return to Makkah, where they forgave their enemies and established Islam definitively. Before the Prophet died at the age of 63, the greater part of Arabia was Muslim, and within a century of his death Islam had spread to Spain in the West and as far East as China.


The Prophet's Mosque, Madinah,
the dome indicates the place where
his house stood and where he is buried.

How did the spread of Islam affect the world?

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the simplicity of its doctrine - Islam calls for faith in only One God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.


Within a few years, great civilizations and universities were flourishing, for according to the Prophet, 'seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and woman'. The synthesis of Eastern and Western ideas and of new thought with old, brought about great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history. Many crucial systems such as algebra, the Arabic numerals, and also the concept of the zero (vital to the advancement of mathematics), were transmitted to medieval Europe from Islam. Sophisticated instruments which were to make possible the European voyages of discovery were developed, including the astrolabe, the quadrant and good navigational maps.

What is the Quran?

The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.

What is the Quran about?

The Quran, the last revealed Word of God, is the prime source of every Muslim's faith and practice. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship, and law, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time it provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and an equitable economic system.

Are there any other sacred sources?

Yes, the sunna, the practice and example of the Prophet, is the second authority for Muslims. A hadith is a reliably transmitted report of what the Prophet said, did, or approved. Belief in the sunna is part of the Islamic faith.

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Ok....some other facts...the list is way to long to fully post.

Link:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Date Country City Killed Injured Description
9/19/2007 Ingushetia Nazran 2 2 Suspected Islamic militants ambush a police vehicle with automatic weapons, killing two occupants.
9/18/2007 Pakistan Shawal 1 4 Islamic militants open up on a security patrol with automatic weapons, killing at least one member.
9/18/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 A school administrator is shot to death by Holy Warriors.
9/18/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is murdered by Muslim gunmen while escorting teachers to school.
9/18/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 1 Two civilians are killed when Islamic militias assault a barracks.
9/18/2007 Iraq Baghdad 8 15 Jihadis bomb a residential neighborhood, killing eight innocents.
9/18/2007 Iraq Baghdad 7 30 A double car bombing near a morgue sends seven Iraqis to Allah.
9/18/2007 Iraq Baghdad 17 7 Various sectarian attacks leave at least seventeen dead.
9/18/2007 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A Buddhist is among two civilians killed by Islamic terrorists.
9/17/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 3 2 Two people are killed in a grenade attack and a man is shot to death in a separate shooting by Islamic militias.
9/17/2007 Afghanistan Helmand 8 7 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders eight Afghans.
9/17/2007 Pakistan Waziristan 15 1 Taliban terrorists attack local troops, killing at least fifteen.
9/17/2007 Iraq Baghdad 21 32 Ramadan violence, including a car bombing at a mosque, leaves twenty-one dead.
9/17/2007 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 A tribesman is murdered by Muslim militants.
9/17/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 A woman is shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
9/16/2007 Iraq Tuz Khormato 8 22 A Fedayeen bomber murders eight patrons at a caf�.
9/16/2007 Iraq Hilla 6 7 A child and a pharmacist are among six people killed in separate attacks by Islamic militants.
9/16/2007 Iraq Muqdadiya 14 10 al-Qaeda militants shoot fourteen villagers to death in a brutal attack.
9/16/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two men driving in a vehicle are shot to death in a brutal ambush by Islamic radicals.
9/16/2007 Iraq Baghdad 19 13 Various terror attacks leave nineteen Iraqis dead in sectarian violence.
9/15/2007 Afghanistan Kunar 3 0 Religious extremists kill two children with rockets and behead an adult male.
9/15/2007 Iraq Abu Saida 2 0 al-Qaeda terrorists kill two Sunni sheikhs.
9/15/2007 Iraq Baghdad 11 18 Two children are among eleven killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at a bakery.
9/15/2007 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two men are murdered in a drive-by shooting by Muslim radicals.
9/15/2007 Iraq Baghdad 13 2 Sectarian Jihadis rack up thirteen dead rivals in various attacks.
9/15/2007 Thailand Pattani 1 3 One local soldier is killed when Thai Islamists detonate a bomb.
9/14/2007 Pakistan Tarbela 17 36 A suicide bomber kill seventeen Pakistani soliders in an attack near a dam.
9/14/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim gunmen murder a 29-year-old woman.
9/14/2007 Iraq Baghdad 9 0 Three farmer and three beheading victims are among nine people killed in sectarian attacks.
9/14/2007 Iraq Hawija 1 1 Radical Sunnis gun down a woman and injure her daughter.
9/14/2007 Iraq Baiji 11 16 A suicide bomber detonates his truck next to a restaurant, killing sixteen innocents.
9/14/2007 India Baramulla 2 0 Two civilians are murdered in their home by the Mujahideen.
9/14/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 5 Two civilians are killed in a grenade attack by Islamic militias.
9/14/2007 Pakistan Bajaur 2 5 Two children are killed when Islamic terrorists plant a bomb near their home.
9/14/2007 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 A pro-peace cleric is assassinated by Islamic radicals.
9/14/2007 Algeria Zemmouri 3 5 Three people are killed, and two suffer amputation when Islamic fundamentalists place a bomb in a small town.
9/13/2007 Iraq Ramadi 4 0 al-Qaeda bombers take down a pro-government Sunni leader and three others.
9/13/2007 Afghanistan Badakshan 1 0 An aid worker is shot to death in a suspected Taliban attack.
9/13/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 3 0 Three men, including a 28-year-old Buddhist, are shot to death in separate attacks by radical Muslims.
9/13/2007 Somalia Huriwa 6 0 Two civilians and four local policemen are killed in a brutal ambush by Islamic militants.
9/13/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A cop is gunned down by Islamists.
9/13/2007 Pakistan Karachi 7 5 Seven people are killed when Islamic fundamentalists toss grenades into a minibus carrying sectarian rivals.
9/13/2007 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A bakery worker is among two people shot to death by Sunni snipers.
9/13/2007 Iraq Baghdad 17 13 A car bombing is one of several Jihad attacks that leaves seventeen civilians dead.
9/12/2007 Iraq Baghdad 28 22 Jihadis manage to take down twenty-eight ordinary Iraqis in at least four attacks around the country.
9/12/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamic militias assassinate a money changer at a market.
9/12/2007 Afghanistan Paktia 3 0 A civilian and two policemen are killed in two separate Taliban bombings.
9/11/2007 Afghanistan Helmand 2 7 Two Afghan truck drivers are murdered by a suicide bomber.
9/11/2007 Israel Zikim 0 69 Gaza militants fire a rocket into Israel, injuring nearly seventy people.
9/11/2007 Iraq Baghdad 13 12 Sectarian Jihadis rack up thirteen bodies in a 24-hour period.
9/11/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 A young Buddhist man is shot to death by Islamists.
9/11/2007 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A middle-aged Buddhist man is shot to death by Muslim radicals while riding his motorbike.
9/11/2007 Ingushetia Ordzhonikidzov. 3 0 Two young men and their father are brutally murdered in their home by suspected Islamic militants.
9/11/2007 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 17 16 Seventeen people are killed when a 15-year-old suicide bomber detonates on a minibus.
9/10/2007 Iraq Tal Marag 10 78 Ten innocents are blown apart by a religious fanatic driving a truck bomb.
9/10/2007 Thailand Pattani 1 5 A Muslim gunman boards a bus and then shoots a passenger to death.
9/10/2007 Afghanistan Gereshk 29 57 Over two-dozen Afghans are massacred by Taliban suicide bombers in a small town.
9/10/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 4 0 Three children and their mother are taken out by Jihadi mortars.
9/10/2007 Iraq Baghdad 14 19 A Jihad car bombing at a hospital is one of several attacks that leave a dozen Iraqis dead.
9/10/2007 Pakistan Makeen 2 0 A rocket believed to have been fired by Taliban militants hits a house, killing two, includng a woman.
9/10/2007 Iraq Saqlawiyah 4 2 A suicide bomber kills four Iraqis at a police checkpoint.
9/10/2007 India Kupwara 1 5 A local soldier is killed in a Lashkar-e-Toiba attack.
9/10/2007 Sudan Haskanita 25 0 Twenty-five villagers are massacred in an aerial and ground assault by government forces.
9/9/2007 Iraq Mosul 4 8 Three woman and a man are murdered in their home by Islamic terrorists.
9/9/2007 Iraq Baiji 7 2 Sunni radicals assault a police station, killing seven officers.
9/9/2007 Iraq Mahmudiya 2 7 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills two civilians.
9/9/2007 Iraq Basra 2 0 Two headless bodies, including that of a woman, are found.
9/9/2007 Pakistan Larkana 1 2 A woman is killed for leaving her husband's house without permission by her brother-in-law.
9/9/2007 Ingushetia Malgobek 1 2 The Mujahideen ambush local soldiers with grenades, killing one.
9/9/2007 Iraq Balad 4 15 A suicide bomber in a fuel tanker kills four local soldiers.
9/8/2007 Afghanistan Helmand 1 3 A suicide bomber kills one other person.
9/8/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 7 0 A man disguised in a burqa massacres seven local soldiers in a brutal grenade attack.
9/8/2007 Thailand Songkhla 1 0 A plantation worker is shot to death in front of his wife by militant Muslims.
9/8/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 Terrorists murder a 30-year-old Buddhist woman.
9/8/2007 Algeria Dellys 28 47 Twenty-eight innocent people are blown to bits by a teenaged al-Qaeda truck bomber.
9/8/2007 Iraq Kufa 5 8 Five people are blown apart in a marketplace bombing by Sunni radicals.
9/8/2007 Iraq Baghdad 15 45 Jihadis slaughter fifteen people with a car bomb along a city street.
9/8/2007 Afghanistan Nimroz 2 8 The Taliban attack a food relief convoy, killing two guards.
9/8/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Islamists murder two electronics vendors at an open-air market.
9/8/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A 16-year-old boy is shot three times in the head by suspected Muslim radicals.
9/8/2007 Pakistan Kohistan 4 26 Religious radicals open up on a group of soldiers at point blank range, killing four. Elsewhere a bomb injures twnety-four civilians.
9/8/2007 Iraq Diwaniya 1 0 Islamic gunmen murder a woman in front of her home.
9/7/2007 Iraq Mosul 4 0 Radical Sunnis kidnap and murder four policemen.
9/7/2007 Iraq Kirkuk 3 5 An armed attack by Muslim terrorists on a mosque leaves three people dead.
9/7/2007 Uzbekistan Tashkent 1 0 A prominent 55-year-old Jewish man is stabbed to death in a heinous attack.
9/7/2007 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 An elderly woman is cut down by Islamic terrorists with automatic weapons at point-blank range.
9/6/2007 Algeria Batna 14 107 An al-Qaeda linked suicide bomber massacres twenty-two people waiting to see the country's president.
9/6/2007 Thailand Yala 1 2 Muslim extremists kill a police officer with a bomb.
9/6/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 An elderly man and a woman are killed in a violent grenade attack by Islamic militants.
9/6/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A rubber tapper is killed when Islamic radicals set off a bomb on his plantation.
9/6/2007 Iraq Baghdad 19 5 Nineteen victims of sectarian violence are killed here and in Mosul.
9/6/2007 Iraq Tikrit 3 17 Jihadis bomb a petrol station, killing three innocents.
9/6/2007 Pakistan Bannu 2 0 Islamic fundamentalists behead two prostitutes.
9/6/2007 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Islamic terrorists attack a police station, killing two officers.
9/5/2007 Thailand Yala 1 4 Islamists bomb a grocery store, killing a man and injuring four, including two children.
9/5/2007 Iraq Mosul 1 28 A suicide bomber kills one other person.
9/5/2007 Afghanistan Helmand 2 3 Two Afghan police are killed when religious extremists bomb their vehicle.
9/5/2007 Somalia Medina 1 0 A local soldier guarding a market is shot to death by Islamic militias.
9/5/2007 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 A 68-year-old man is shot off his motorbike by Muslim terrorists. Another civilian is killed in a separate drive-by attack.
9/4/2007 Afghanistan Kunduz 2 4 Two Afghan cops are murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
9/4/2007 Chechnya Gukhoi 1 4 One person is killed when Islamic gunmen attack a school and a house.
9/4/2007 Pakistan Rawalpindi 24 74 At least two dozen people are murdered when Islamic bombers attack a bus and a bazaar in separate attacks.
9/4/2007 Pakistan Kohat 2 0 Two civilians are murdered by the Taliban.
9/4/2007 Afghanistan Paktika 2 2 A suicide bomber attempts an assassination, killing two bodyguards instead.
9/3/2007 Iraq Baghdad 8 0 Eight electrical workers are kidnapped and murdered by Freedom Fighters.
9/3/2007 Iraq Baghdad 18 8 Eighteen people are killed by sectarian violence within the Religion of Peace.
9/3/2007 Thailand Yala 1 1 A 55-year-old rubber tapper is shot to death while riding to work with his wife.
9/3/2007 Iraq Ramadi 2 13 A suicide bomber blasts two innocent souls to Allah.

[Stark]

Ok....some other facts...the list is way to long to fully post.

Link:http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


Date Country City Killed Injured Description
9/19/2007 Ingushetia Nazran 2 2 Suspected Islamic militants ambush a police vehicle with automatic weapons, killing two occupants.
9/18/2007 Pakistan Shawal 1 4 Islamic militants open up on a security patrol with automatic weapons, killing at least one member.
9/18/2007 Thailand Yala 1 0 A school administrator is shot to death by Holy Warriors.
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So you don't see the difference between a view nuts who call themself true believers and millions of people practicing Islam and never wanting to hurt somebody?

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Stark...there are more then a few..in fact some of these nuts have tried to kill me while i was with ur countrymen in Afghanistan...these people are easily swayed to the dark side. Life is very cheap in many of the countries they inhabit and they export that atitude.

[Stark]

Stark...there are more then a few..in fact some of these nuts have tried to kill me while i was with ur countrymen in Afghanistan...these people are easily swayed to the dark side. Life is very cheap in many of the countries they inhabit and they export that atitude.

So let's say 1 million? 2 million or 10 million?

That's still so little if you compare that to 1.2 billion people practicing Islam peacefully.

And i guess somewhere is a Muslim saying the exact opposite to you... Christians they are all the same these people are easily swayed to the dark side (morals Prostitution Drugs and so forth) Life is very cheap in many of the countries (murder rate in one of your cities) they inhabit and they export that attitude when they invade (ups sorry I meant to say liberate) countries

Would you say that more than half of the Christians on this world have tendencies to be radical? I wouldn't....

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Here is where your wrong....they do all this shit in the name of Allah. They do it because they are muslim. I have gotten into a few fire fights in the last several years...i never involked God, really never went to church...or worried about that as I went abgout my day. These guys think they're killing in the name of Islam. Now if u want I'll break out the old Maltese Cross and we can get all "crusade on em. But despite ol GB mentioning God a few times in speeches..none of us in uniform believ we're doing God's work.

[Stark]

Here is where your wrong....they do all this shit in the name of Allah. They do it because they are muslim. I have gotten into a few fire fights in the last several years...i never involked God, really never went to church...or worried about that as I went abgout my day. These guys think they're killing in the name of Islam. Now if u want I'll break out the old Maltese Cross and we can get all "crusade on em. But despite ol GB mentioning God a few times in speeches..none of us in uniform believ we're doing God's work.

Here is were you are wrong.... I have been talking to a lot of Muslims (people tend to be a little on the hostile side when you shoot at them and correct me if I'm wrong but its hard to form an opinion on people when you are fighting each other) they practice their religion under the rules of Allah. They do all this because they are Muslims.
I never invoked God as well when I was talking to them, I did not went to Church myself.

These guys don't try to kill you because you are Christian, they kill you because you are a force that has their country under occupation and you were a US uniform, you strap a gun to your Side and stroll around in an country (not the US) you better be ready for some action jack people tend to be somewhat touchy about these things.

Lol I love it when I hear Service personal bitch about getting shot at  .. it's amuse me to see that you are downright huffy  because you joined the "liberating" force and are surprised that some of the locals don't think of you as liberators...even somebody like you must see the humor in that.

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Look I wouldn't even bring it up if they were doing it the name of "Der fatherland" or Manchester United. but they are doing it in the  name of god/allah whatever. I fully expected these people to be pretty upset about us being there. I was under no allusions on that end. Also...thats war. What i'm getting at is attacks like in Spain/911 etc etc. Attacks on the West.

[Stark]

Look I wouldn't even bring it up if they were doing it the name of "Der fatherland" or Manchester United. but they are doing it in the  name of god/allah whatever. I fully expected these people to be pretty upset about us being there. I was under no allusions on that end. Also...thats war. What i'm getting at is attacks like in Spain/911 etc etc. Attacks on the West.

And i agree that people that commit these attacks are the scum of the earth, but why do you generalize Billions of people by the action of  hmmm let's say a simple 1000? The few that actively or by other means contribute to the 9/11 US + Spain?

[headhuntersix]

Poll after poll has found sympathizers, alot of em, amongst these billions. Islam is in no waya religion of peace.

[Stark]

Poll after poll has found sympathizers, alot of em, amongst these billions. Islam is in no waya religion of peace.

What Polls? And who have they asked? I want to see these polls please..

Oh and for Islam being a religion of peace... well it entirely depends on the person practicing Islam right? Look at Christianity would you say it's a religion of peace? Well if you look a little closer you see that Millions of Millions of people have died because God told them so however I believe that a true Christian would not hurt anybody since his Religion doesn't allow him to do so... and here is your problem in general, you believe just because some nuts called a Jihad on the Western civilisation that means the Billions of Muslims worldwide will follow...

first of Jihad has is very misunderstood term a term that has been "butchered" and changed so that it fits for the view Religions nuts that want to have a "holy war" the Koranic usage of the term jihad is much broader than its political use might imply. The basic meaning of the term is "struggle". Most commonly, the Koran uses the verb along with the expression "in the path of God". The "path of God" is the path for right conduct that God has set down in the Koran and the example of the Prophet.

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What Polls? And who have they asked? I want to see these polls please..

Oh and for Islam being a religion of peace... well it entirely depends on the person practicing Islam right? Look at Christianity would you say it's a religion of peace? Well if you look a little closer you see that Millions of Millions of people have died because God told them so however I believe that a true Christian would not hurt anybody since his Religion doesn't allow him to do so... and here is your problem in general, you believe just because some nuts called a Jihad on the Western civilisation that means the Billions of Muslims worldwide will follow...

first of Jihad has is very misunderstood term a term that has been "butchered" and changed so that it fits for the view Religions nuts that want to have a "holy war" the Koranic usage of the term jihad is much broader than its political use might imply. The basic meaning of the term is "struggle". Most commonly, the Koran uses the verb along with the expression "in the path of God". The "path of God" is the path for right conduct that God has set down in the Koran and the example of the Prophet.

The majority of Christians evolved past the "kill you because you're a different religion" bullshit hundreds of years ago. The muslims refuse to assimilate and instead want the rest of the world to come down to their level. Fuck them and fuck that religion. Read the Koran sometime, it preaches hate.

[Stark]

The majority of Christians evolved past the "kill you because you're a different religion" bullshit hundreds of years ago. The muslims refuse to assimilate and instead want the rest of the world to come down to their level. Fuck them and fuck that religion. Read the Koran sometime, it preaches hate.

Lol I read the Koran and it does NOT never preaches hate,  it preaches the same as the Bible, try to live peacefully together, in fact there is not much difference between the Koran and the Bible.
And the modern Muslims never asked me come down to their level... I don't know were you got that catch phrase from however once again I agree there are a very small minority that want to make waves for their personal gain, these unfortunately blinded people demand outrageous things that people like you use to generalize billions of people who have no argument with you what so ever.

[Fury]

Lol I read the Koran and it does NOT never preaches hate,  it preaches the same as the Bible, try to live peacefully together, in fact there is not much difference between the Koran and the Bible.
And the modern Muslims never asked me come down to their level... I don't know were you got that catch phrase from however once again I agree there are a very small minority that want to make waves for their personal gain, these unfortunately blinded people demand outrageous things that people like you use to generalize billions of people who have no argument with you what so ever.

Actually, the Bible doesn't tell you to kill Jews and Infidels multiple, multiple times on end if I recall correctly. 

They refuse to evolve. It's pretty obvious. That society has not progressed one step in the last 2000 years while the rest of the world ran right by it. That's their problem. Jealousy. They want what we got.

Like headhunter said, it may be only a few people doing the killing and what not, but there are a whole lot of sympathizers out there who turn a blind eye to it and support it from the shadows.

Either way, Islam is on the fast track to bigger problems. What's going to happen if they somehow build a dirty nuke or what not? I know I'd want their asses shipped back to the middle east.

[Stark]

Actually, the Bible doesn't tell you to kill Jews and Infidels multiple, multiple times on end if I recall correctly. 

And the Koran does? Where excactly?

However I remember it says something like: and that you shall not kill - for that is forbidden by Allah - except for a just cause.

Sounds to me close to what we find in the Bible.

[Fury]

And the Koran does? Where excactly?

It specifically talks about the persecution of all "infidels" as labeled by a bunch of words on a page. I don't see anywhere in the Bible telling me to go out and kill someone because they aren't Christian.

I'm not going to argue it, but the truth is that if it didn't preach hate in some way or was written in a way for it to be interpreted like that, then this problem wouldn't exist. Plain and simple.

[Stark]

Actually, the Bible doesn't tell you to kill Jews and Infidels multiple, multiple times on end if I recall correctly. 

They refuse to evolve. It's pretty obvious. That society has not progressed one step in the last 2000 years while the rest of the world ran right by it. That's their problem. Jealousy. They want what we got.

Like headhunter said, it may be only a few people doing the killing and what not, but there are a whole lot of sympathizers out there who turn a blind eye to it and support it from the shadows.

Either way, Islam is on the fast track to bigger problems. What's going to happen if they somehow build a dirty nuke or what not? I know I'd want their asses shipped back to the middle east.

okay let's see....

They refuse to evolve. It's pretty obvious. That society has not progressed one step in the last 2000 years while the rest of the world ran right by it. That's their problem. Jealousy. They want what we got.

You call a religion a society? And I be absolutely certain they don't want what we have, out of Control Gun useage, Drugs and such things are not stuff you should pray for.

Like headhunter said, it may be only a few people doing the killing and what not, but there are a whole lot of sympathizers out there who turn a blind eye to it and support it from the shadows.

And they are guilty because of what they currently believe? but never do?

Either way, Islam is on the fast track to bigger problems. What's going to happen if they somehow build a dirty nuke or what not? I know I'd want their asses shipped back to the middle east.

Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.

[Fury]

okay let's see....
 
You call a religion a society? And I be absolutely certain they don't want what we have, out of Control Gun useage, Drugs and such things are not stuff you should pray for.And they are guilty because of what they currently believe? but never do?Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.

Their society is based entirely around their religion. The clothing, the laws, everything they do is pretty much dictated by the Koran.

They're not guilty of shit. But you're saying that it's only a select few who think and act like the terrorists. When in reality, there are a lot of people out there who sympathize with them and lurk in the shadows, badmouthing Americans while they leech our resources and live off the freedoms granted them.

And I'm not assuming. I can guarantee that there would be mighty big problems for the muslims in the US and Europe if these terrorists set off a bomb that killed thousands of people on either continent. It's human nature. We rounded up the Japs in WWII and put them in camps even when we knew they were innocent.

[Stark]

Their society is based entirely around their religion. The clothing, the laws, everything they do is pretty much dictated by the Koran.

They're not guilty of shit. But you're saying that it's only a select few who think and act like the terrorists. When in reality, there are a lot of people out there who sympathize with them and lurk in the shadows, badmouthing Americans while they leech our resources and live off the freedoms granted them.

And I'm not assuming. I can guarantee that there would be mighty big problems for the muslims in the US and Europe if these terrorists set off a bomb that killed thousands of people on either continent. It's human nature. We rounded up the Japs in WWII and put them in camps even when we knew they were innocent.

You are generalizing again by saying all Muslims in the US are badmouthing ect so I skip that part since you cannot possible prove to me that this is true.

Guess what most of the Muslims in the US UK and Spain condemned the attacks vehement... that should give you something to think about.
We rounded up the "Japs" because they were in alliance with the Nazis and you Yanks were in war with both countries... having this said.... Islam is not a country... so why round up all Muslims?

[Fury]

You are generalizing again by saying all Muslims in the US are badmouthing ect so I skip that part since you cannot possible prove to me that this is true.

Guess what most of the Muslims in the US UK and Spain condemned the attacks vehement... that should give you something to think about.
We rounded up the "Japs" because they were in alliance with the Nazis and you Yanks were in war with both countries... having this said.... Islam is not a country... so why round up all Muslims?

Are you fucking retarded? I didn't say all. You said a SMALL MINORITY are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. When the fact of the matter is that it's larger than that. There are many more people who sympathize and support what these clowns are doing from the background.

We rounded up just the Japs because we weren't at war with their religion. The terrorists are from countries all across the middle east. If it came down to it, it would be a war against the foundation of Islam itself.

All you're doing it spinning this in one gigantic circle.


Yanks is funny though. Didn't we beat the living shit out of your ancestors? Think so! 

[Stark]

Are you fucking retarded? I didn't say all. You said a SMALL MINORITY are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. When the fact of the matter is that it's larger than that. There are many more people who sympathize and support what these clowns are doing from the background.

We rounded up just the Japs because we weren't at war with their religion. The terrorists are from countries all across the middle east. If it came down to it, it would be a war against the foundation of Islam itself.

All you're doing it spinning this in one gigantic circle.


Yanks is funny though. Didn't we beat the living shit out of your ancestors? Think so! 

You made this personal (what a suprise) name calling and such... Good talking too you... try to be a little bit more mature in comming discussions.

[Fury]

You made this personal (what a suprise) name calling and such... Good talking too you... try to be a little bit more mature in comming discussions.

I'll be more mature when you stop trying to put words in my mouth. Pleasure talking to a typical spin doctoring European. 

[tu_holmes]

I'm not saying that Islam is inherently bad, but I do have a question.

When you look at car bombings and suicide bombers... truly, are they Christians, Jews, or Muslims?

I'm not saying Christians don't do bad things... they do... as do Jews and the like, but when was the last time anyone fought a "war" in the name of their religion who wasn't Muslim?

Just wondering.

[Stark]

I'm not saying that Islam is inherently bad, but I do have a question.

When you look at car bombings and suicide bombers... truly, are they Christians, Jews, or Muslims?

I'm not saying Christians don't do bad things... they do... as do Jews and the like, but when was the last time anyone fought a "war" in the name of their religion who wasn't Muslim?

Just wondering.

You are right but you need to tell me what is the difference between a suicide bombing of a busy market and a rocket attack on a Hospital of sick adults and kids?

[JOHN MATRIX]

regardless of what anyone says islam cannot be considered a religion of peace due to the fact that it actually advocates spreading islam through force which is why by the time mohammed died islamic armies had conquered huge sections of territory.
we did not see jesus creating huge armies to subjugate and kill anyone who didnt submit to his ideas.