THE WISDOM OF DORIAN YATES

[slaveboy1980]

chapter 8 (p.57-65) in yates book a warrior's story is one of the best chapters written in any bodybuilding book out there.

[tom joad]

can you sum up that chapter in one sentence?

[figgs]

can you sum up that chapter in one sentence?

He already did.

[slaveboy1980]

yates first training split (after an initial 6 week  period where he did full body workouts, just to learn the exercises and get to know his body) looked like this:

1983-1986

week 1:
Monday  w1
Tuesday rest
Wednesday w2
Thursday rest
Friday rest
Saturday w1
Sunday rest

week 2:
Monday  w2
Tuesday rest
Wednesday rest
Thursday w1
Friday rest
Saturday w2
Sunday rest

workout one (w1)

bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax

workout two (w2)

barbell squats 4x8
hack squats 3x8
leg curls 3x8
standing calf raises 3x8
barbell curls 3x8
one-arm preacher curls 2x8
triceps pushdowns 3x8
lying triceps extensions 2x8

duration: approximately 60 min/workout.

[slaveboy1980]

no natural, needs to make things more complicated than this.

he only used multivitamins/minerals and milk-egg protein shakes+ FOOD

nothing fancy , very simple.

only thing you could change is to do a 3 day split instead of the 2 day split. but thats a matter of preference.

KISS principle+hard work+basic supplementation (protein+multivitamin)+patience+no huge but adequate caloric surplus+1-1.25 g protein/lbs bw/day.

[slaveboy1980]

[slaveboy1980]

as a natural you dont need to know much more about bodybuilding than the above to grow!

only thing you need to know in addition to the above is

1. basic nutrition (good protein sources, good fats, different carb sources)

2. how to do the exercises (find someone to teach you to do the movement from from the beginning and/or use exercise guides found online)

in one weeks time you will know everything that a natural needs to know to grow

then all you need is to add hard work.

[Fatpanda]

how is it he used less volume while on gear+insulin+gh+t3+nolv etc than he supposedly did while natural?

strange. very strange. especially as he said he felt he optimized his training theory toward the end of his career.

on a linked note mark dugdale is now using the yates hit method of training, he reports he has been getting the best gains of his life using it.


i also read on another thread milos reports dorian never used insulin untill 1997 - bwahahahahahahahaha. i simply refuse to believe this, as he was the first mass monster- even bigger than heaney - who was the first to introduce insulin to the bb scene.

if milos is telling the truth, then dorian must have lied to him to find out what milo's techniques were.

[WOOO]

blood and guts is still one of the greatest movies ever

[haider]

I refuse to believe he did all that in 60 min, YEAH RIGHT!


Unless ofcourse he did it milos style, one giant set for his whole upper and lower body 

[delta9mda]

bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax

1 minute to complete each set (30 minutes)and a minute rest (30 minutes) = 1 hour

[suckmymuscle]

how is it he used less volume while on gear+insulin+gh+t3+nolv etc than he supposedly did while natural?

  Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[haider]

bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax

1 minute to complete each set (30 minutes)and a minute rest (30 minutes) = 1 hour

So he's a machine that can do this without any interruption? I'm no industrial engineer but with human factors considered the workout would take no less tahn 2 hours.

[Van_Bilderass]

  Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

That's hardly proof Dorian didn't use insulin. The water retaining effect of insulin is brief, to say the least.

[delta9mda]

So he's a machine that can do this without any interruption? I'm no industrial engineer but with human factors considered the workout would take no less tahn 2 hours.

he trained in his gym with no one there.  you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. 

[Van_Bilderass]

even bigger than heaney - who was the first to introduce insulin to the bb scene.

Oh, wow, not it was Haney who introduced insulin to bodybuilding? Really? lol

[haider]

he trained in his gym with no one there.  you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. 

Ok I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there.. but warming up for all that would take 15-20 minutes, adding it upto a 90-95 minute workout. Plate loading and reracking would take another 5 minutes. Transition from one exercise to the other, another 2-5 minutes. 

[slaveboy1980]

he trained in his gym with no one there.  you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. 

the gym wasnt his when he did that routine.

and yes he wrote he did it in approx 60minutes..(his first split routine).

remember dorian was always all business in the gym and didnt socialize, and his goal was to get in , do the necessary work and get out and grow.

[slaveboy1980]

  Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

"jesus christ", your naive....and you show it time after time....

and your draw faulty conclusions from inadequate information all the time.

[Stavios]

  Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

True, I read on Milos board that Milos spoke to Dorian about insulin in 97 or so and Dorian wasn't using it

someone correct me if I am wrong

[suckmymuscle]

True, I read on Milos board that Milos spoke to Dorian about insulin in 97 or so and Dorian wasn't using it

someone correct me if I am wrong

  Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Stu]

  Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Whats so different between fux and yates? to the untrained eye(ie: mine) they both look similar, big bloated and nasty that is

[Dballn247]

Whats so different between fux and yates? to the untrained eye(ie: mine) they both look similar, big bloated and nasty that is

Fux on his best day was never as striated or as grainy as Yates.  Standing completely relaxed almost all pros look soft.   When he tightened up, lights out. 

[Van_Bilderass]

  Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You mean if he used it in the off-season but not during his prep he would still be full from the insulin on contest day? Come on... Dorian's grainy look had a lot to do with genetics. It was pretty unique, no one looked like that out of the pros, insulin or not.

Do you think Andreas Munzer used it?

[Palpatine Q]

I tell ya......The Pros must read this shit and laugh, the way you "experts"  babble on about what drugs you "know" they used.

Fucking comical