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Like I said is there any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)?  I weigh about 205lbs and i'll be damned if I don't get ~400g of protein a day.
Any problems?

*Im not talking so much health related (kidneys, etc) but more from a bodybuilding standpoint.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 01:44:08 PM »
well, your body CAN store excess protein as fat.
you will hear this several times here at getbig. its trendy to dismiss very high protein diets.

i used to think, because this is what i was told, that your body only digests what it can use for muscle repair, and the rest is excreted.  but, the consensus on this site seems to be that your body does not limit the amount of digested protein that it sends into the blood stream...that you could have 100 or so grams of broken down protein molecules (i believe the correct term for this is "peptide" but im not sure). if this is the case; then you COULD indeed store excess protein as body fat.
BUT.. if your are an individual who is constantly in the gym, constantly has muscles in need of tissue repair, constantly sore...i do believe that it would be virtually impossible to eat an excess amount of protein to be stored as body fat. ...i mean; your body is going to use any available protein in the blood stream to repair broken down muscle tissue before it will store any as fat.. so as long as you have a sore muscle, you should be fine.

my guess, is that if your body were to store any as fat, the result would be a totally repaired muscular system; and then a bit of stored body fat.    but i have never been able to get rid of all my muscle soreness with one meal.



.....to other getbig posters who mgiht want to contradict me..... notice i said this was my opinion, this is what i was guessing was true, and that i was not sure of this. just what seems to make sense to me.


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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 01:50:55 PM »
I don't see much of a disadvantage, your definitely getting the amount of amino's you need and more. Are you a natural bb, cause if so then you should ask the question of "what would be the advantage of taking that amount for a natural bb?"

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 01:35:29 PM »
you'll get fat ad hurt your kidneys simultaneously.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 07:30:24 PM »
you should ask the question of "what would be the advantage of taking that amount for a natural bb?"

 ;) Bingo



hurt your kidneys simultaneously.
  Nah, only if you have pre-existing kidney problems.
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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 08:18:50 AM »
so whats everyone's opinion of how much one should take per day?


1gram per pound?  1.5?

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 12:47:11 AM »
You'll mess up your kidneys if you take crazy excess of protein daily.. I'm not talking 400g but over 5 or 600 and they start hurting.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2007, 02:11:56 AM »
You'll mess up your kidneys if you take crazy excess of protein daily.. I'm not talking 400g but over 5 or 600 and they start hurting.

Describe kidney "hurting" ::) ...

what a tool...

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 04:29:42 AM »
Describe kidney "hurting" ::) ...

what a tool...

How about pain in the kidney area. Ever had a kidney infection? I'd assume something similiar...stabbing pains. Also, have you ever been reallydehydrated? Another time when your kidneys could hurt. Come on...

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 03:49:34 PM »
How about pain in the kidney area. Ever had a kidney infection? I'd assume something similiar...stabbing pains. Also, have you ever been reallydehydrated? Another time when your kidneys could hurt. Come on...

Nah never had any of these symptoms... I've gone up to 500g protein/amino/glutamine many times for weeks, creatinine level taken while on that diet, PSH, Liver enzymes.

All came ok. I think it's a myth.

Again there is a difference between ingesting 400g of fast acting protein like whey isolates straight up and a steady flow from different sources with different breakdown time.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2007, 04:00:55 PM »
Nah never had any of these symptoms... I've gone up to 500g protein/amino/glutamine many times for weeks, creatinine level taken while on that diet, PSH, Liver enzymes.

All came ok. I think it's a myth.

Again there is a difference between ingesting 400g of fast acting protein like whey isolates straight up and a steady flow from different sources with different breakdown time.

What would be the difference between ingesting whey isolates to another protein source because of the breakdown time and the reference to kidney functioning?

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2007, 04:07:03 PM »
What would be the difference between ingesting whey isolates to another protein source because of the breakdown time and the reference to kidney functioning?

Exactly. The concentration of nitrogen in the blood stream. If you eat sources that take 20hrs to break down like beef, it will hit the blood stream at a steady rate. Whey hits the bloodstream in a matter of minutes.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2007, 04:14:28 PM »
Exactly. The concentration of nitrogen in the blood stream. If you eat sources that take 20hrs to break down like beef, it will hit the blood stream at a steady rate. Whey hits the bloodstream in a matter of minutes.

How would you say these proteins differ when the kidney filtering process begins of the amino's peptides?

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2007, 04:17:49 PM »
How would you say these proteins differ when the kidney filtering process begins of the amino's peptides?

They don't. A peptide is a peptide kidney wise. The Concentration is another story. How quick does a given source hits the bloodstream and what concentration results from it.

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2007, 12:38:33 PM »
Nah never had any of these symptoms... I've gone up to 500g protein/amino/glutamine many times for weeks, creatinine level taken while on that diet, PSH, Liver enzymes.

All came ok. I think it's a myth.

Again there is a difference between ingesting 400g of fast acting protein like whey isolates straight up and a steady flow from different sources with different breakdown time.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I just don't see the need to take in excessive ammounts. Now, I'm not talking like True Adonis & saying you need four grams a day or something. Over a year ago I dropped my protein intake from about 300grams a day to about 125-175grams a day & personally I felt better. I don't recommend it for everyone. Too many people are afraid to experiment to see what works for them. I've only had kidney problems from four things: M1T, Dbol, Dehydration, & an infection (but only once).

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Re: Any disadvantage to taking excess amounts of protein (2g+ per lbs of bw)
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2007, 12:01:52 PM »
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I just don't see the need to take in excessive ammounts. Now, I'm not talking like True Adonis & saying you need four grams a day or something. Over a year ago I dropped my protein intake from about 300grams a day to about 125-175grams a day & personally I felt better. I don't recommend it for everyone. Too many people are afraid to experiment to see what works for them. I've only had kidney problems from four things: M1T, Dbol, Dehydration, & an infection (but only once).

I've had a similar experience, about a year ago I cut down on protein consumption, going from around 350g to around 200-250g a day, I also felt better, more energy, etc.

Oh and don't pay attention to alex, he's busy perma-bulking all year :)