Wolf's low placement, perhaps the biggest Olypmia robbery ever?

[corinth]

There is no way Jay should have won that show.

[G o a t b o y]

Jay doesn't win because he looks like Wolf , Jay wins because he;s the biggest and relatively speaking best conditioned and he has good balance & proportion .   Muscletech paid for that trophy, dammit! 

Fixed.

[Hedgehog]

According to who? you? those are relatively minor but they can separate a winner from a loser , his biggest liability is not enough size in his back for his large frame , if contests were judges solely on aesthetics Wolf would be a multiple Mr Olympia , however they're not .

Yeah. I get it.

Wolf has below average calves. And his forearm aren't Rosbo. Therefore he's relegated to 5th.

Cutler has a blocky waist, making him look Atwoodish, probably closing in on 40 inches, and was smooth all over.

But I guess those are just minor flaws, definitely not anything that should jeopardize his well-deserved 2nd Sandow.

[genrommel74]

Well there is criteria and Jay meet it better than his fellow competitors ! what wins contest these days is who is the biggest and best condition , everything else is secondary however but they can come into play depending on how close a contest is

I watched the Olympia and I thought it was between Jay & Victor it could have went either way and they choose Jay , I wouldn't have complained if Jay was second .

WHen they went pose for pose in the pose down jay had wolf all the way

[Vince B]

Martinez and Wolf looked better. Jay got a gift. Wolf stole the show. That is obvious and those photos don't lie.

[G o a t b o y]

WHen they went pose for pose in the pose down jay had wolf all the way

Are you crazy?  Did you see the same pics I did, or are you just blind?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah. I get it.

Wolf has below average calves. And his forearm aren't Rosbo. Therefore he's relegated to 5th.

Cutler has a blocky waist, making him look Atwoodish, probably closing in on 40 inches, and was smooth all over.

But I guess those are just minor flaws, definitely not anything that should jeopardize his well-deserved 2nd Sandow.

Wolf's major flaw is not enough back size for his frame , the others are minor ! and Jay's always been blocky he doesn't win because he's aesthetic and his conditioning was off but improved he squeaked out a close call to VICTOR not Dennis

If contests were judged on aesthetics I'd place Wolf ahead of Vic & Jay but there are other criteria.

[Vince B]

Hey, Goatboy, between No shame Goodrum and Jay supporters this place is crazy.

[genrommel74]

Are you crazy?  Did you see the same pics I did, or are you just blind?

NO i saw the show in person those are the photos from prejudging. I was 40ft away from them during the pose down and jay took it

[corinth]

Wolf's major flaw is not enough back size for his frame , the others are minor ! and Jay's always been blocky he doesn't win because he's aesthetic and his conditioning was off but improved he squeaked out a close call to VICTOR not Dennis

If contests were judged on aesthetics I'd place Wolf ahead of Vic & Jay but there are other criteria.

ND you act like Wolf is small. he dwarfs Jay.  Wolf is the best combination of size, condition, symmetry and aesthetics.

[willie mosconi]

Wolf doesn't have great proportion , see his calves to his quads and his forearms to his biceps/triceps and couple that with a long torso , however he does have great symmetry in the context of great clavicle width , naturally small waist & hips and small joints , but he has glaring flaws , does he have a aesthetically pleasing physique ? yes great proportion? NO was he going to win the entire show? NO he will with improvements but his place is pretty fair he could have placed ahead of Ronnie.

Is it me or is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?

I mean, what does it take for him to see the truth? A guy with 1 arm wins the Mr O in 94 and he somehow justifies it. this year, a guy that is clearly carrying fat, water, and has obvious site injections wins and he still somehow rationalizes how said bodybuilder is better than a guy that showed up with more than enough mass and ripped to the gills.

I feel like he would rationalize how Will Harris was justified first place if the judges saw it that way. ND is a joke

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you act like Wolf is small. he dwarfs Jay.  Wolf is the best combination of size, condition, symmetry and aesthetics.

No in some poses he dwarfs Jay in other he doesn't ! he's 250 pounds at 5'11" and Jay is 5'9" and weighs 270+ pounds , Wolf has a great combo but he's still not where he needs to be to be Mr Olympia.

[G o a t b o y]

Is is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?

He's second.   Vince G still holds the title.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Is it me or is ND the most delusional person that posts on getbig?

I mean, what does it take for him to see the truth? A guy with 1 arm wins the Mr O in 94 and he somehow justifies it. this year, a guy that is clearly carrying fat, water, and has obvious site injections wins and he still somehow rationalizes how said bodybuilder is better than a guy that showed up with more than enough mass and ripped to the gills.

I feel like he would rationalize how Will Harris was justified first place if the judges saw it that way. ND is a joke

Delusional is thinking Wolf won the Mr Olympia period . and NO Dorian didn't have ' 1 arms ' in 1994 he had 1 bicep shorter than the other and he tore his bicep it wasn't his greatest bodypart to begin with so I don't have to justify him winning in 1994 it was NO contest in 1994 Shawn Ray himself said he got the place he deserved and in fact he was quite lucky to be placed in second ahead of Levrone .

I never said Jay wasn't off or shouldn't have lost I said he could have traded positions with Victor and no one would have really complained however Wolf was far from beating Dex , Victor or Jay , although he could have replaced Ronnie in fourth.

[G o a t b o y]

He's second.   Vince G still holds the title.

But then again, if IFBB judges were picking, he'd probably get 6th! 

[Palpatine Q]

David Paul  broke it down the best,

"That building is thicker than the Luxor, but which building looks better?"

Bodybuilding is about appearance, not the scale

[corinth]

No in some poses he dwarfs Jay in other he doesn't ! he's 250 pounds at 5'11" and Jay is 5'9" and weighs 270+ pounds , Wolf has a great combo but he's still not where he needs to be to be Mr Olympia.

Wolf weighed 270 lbs at the Olympia.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wolf's major flaw NOT enough back for his frame ( among proportion ) his massive delts and bicep/triceps dominate this pose , his quads dominate his calves , does it look aesthetically pleasing? yes however contests are judged by muscular bulk , muscular density , conditioning , and balance & proportion

Wolf is like Paul Dillett in this respect very wide back but needs enough back to fill out his frame , look at a 275 pound Paul his back doesn't even look any bigger than a 205 pound Shawn Ray who is NOT know for his great width remind you

[G o a t b o y]

If this turns into another "Hulkster Truce" thread I'm gonna puke. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wolf weighed 270 lbs at the Olympia.

Where did you get that weight from? and even if thats the case Jay is shorter at the same weight !

[knny187]

Wolf just needs to....

Bring up his biceps, calves

Add more density to upper back

tighten lower back.



All obtainable....& could be done before next years O

[SuperNatural]

wolf's major flaw NOT enough back for his frame ( among proportion ) his massive delts and bicep/triceps dominate this pose , his quads dominate his calves , does it look aesthetically pleasing? yes however contests are judged by muscular bulk , muscular density , conditioning , and balance & proportion

Wolf is like Paul Dillett in this respect very wide back but needs enough back to fill out his frame , look at a 275 pound Paul his back doesn't even look any bigger than a 205 pound Shawn Ray who is NOT know for his great width remind you

Wolf might not have the best back, but comparing it to dillet's back is a joke.  What would be considered an informal fallacey of a Straw man argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wolf just needs to....

Bring up his biceps, calves

Add more density to upper back

tighten lower back.



All obtainable....& could be done before next years O

I agree he needs some improvements before he claims the title he has loads of potential but I mean everyone is getting ahead of themselves saying he should have won , I mean seriously.

[Voice of Doom]

uh........


Wolf won the Olympia....its just that simple....

[corinth]

Where did you get that weight from? and even if thats the case Jay is shorter at the same weight !

From a video on MD.  Jay carries that extra weight all in his waist too.