when ever people want to diss juicing they bring up guys like levrone and say "look at what happened to him ..".. guys.. when you stop training heavy, eat only three meals a day and do alot of cardio, you will drop bodyweight.. when some one retires, even like dorian, they do not train as hard, do not eat all the time, and do their cardio ect ect they will drop size.. BUT, THEY ARE TRYING TO DROP SIZE.. if levrone decided to tomorrow to add size and still be natural and went back to eating and training heavy he would amaze you at how he looks naturally..