Markus Rheinhardt: Juiced or Natural...?

[Mons Venus]

I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:

Is the hat to hide his premature "natural baldness" ?

[slaveboy1980]

I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:

does he make money on his physique? does he claim to be natural?

= drug user

[affy]

he worked with metzer

and metzer was the drug king...mike probably coughed on him a couple times and transfered some AAS to him

seriously...anyone who thinks this guy is natural should be shot...preferably with a rocket launcher in their anus 

[Deicide]

he worked with metzer

and metzer was the drug king...mike probably coughed on him a couple times and transfered some AAS to him

seriously...anyone who thinks this guy is natural should be shot...preferably with a rocket launcher in their anus 

Well, he still looks good. I will never have a body like that but if I could that would be the one I want.

[Mars]

This is for me the perfect natural physique, great lines and good amount of mass.

[Deicide]

This is for me the perfect natural physique, great lines and good amount of mass.

Kevin is 'natural' there? I hardly believe it.

[omg]

obviously can be done natural, depending on how much time you want to spend in the gym

nothing special about this physique

[Wanocki]

obviously can be done natural, depending on how much time you want to spend in the gym

nothing special about this physique

wow

[Overload]

Juiced for years...

Good build.

[HowieW]

You have to be huge if you think that this body is not that massive!

95% of the people would never ever look like that no matter how much they take or how much they want it.

Even for a juiced guy that's a good result.

Look at his traps or legs..

Enough said.

No question the guy has a large impressive physique. However compare that to the best pros and top guys that openly juice in the nationals....geeessssshh hhhh, do you guys think drugs are really THAT effective and that everyone must use to gain any muscle....c'mon.
Like it not Genetics, training and diet are the majority 80-90% of the reasons for your physique.
Face facts, if your genetics are lousy than you will never have an impressive, class physique.
An ugly babe can get a boob job , and all she is then is some FUGLY 'ho with big hooters LOL.
DIET is the reason you get the chisled look along with genetics.

Look, I could care less who does what in terms of drugs in BB. I do know lots of geeks with lousy physiques, use it as the #1 lame excuse as to why they suck as bodybuilders.

[timfogarty]

No question the guy has a large impressive physique. However compare that to the best pros and top guys that openly juice in the nationals....geeessssshh hhhh, do you guys think drugs are really THAT effective and that everyone must use to gain any muscle....c'mon.

the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin.  Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin.    why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s?  Creatine? NOx?

[Ursus]

What makes you think that one could get this physique after 15 years of natural training ?

I honestly don't think that you've been training that long or are anywhere near that body.

There is something called a natural limit and Markus Rheinhardt is far beyond this.

After some years of training you simply don't get any bigger.

There's no big change if you look at a natural bodybuilder after 10 years or 15 years for example.

if you have great genetics and a great training programme coupled with good nutrition injury free etc it is possible. yes he is in the minority though that is why he is a top pro and not an average natural bbuilder,

i disagree with teh natural limit. dont think anyone has ever reached their natural limit

i have not trained that long compared to him or have anywherenear that amount of developmnent. thats irrelevant.

musclemania is only a 1yr drug free which is gay. feds such as the bnbf are better respected.

[nder98]

I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:

Natural? Ummmmm no...

[FrenchFrie]

naturally juiced.

[The Luke]

Tim Fogarty,

Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy). When in shape I myself am a very solid 180 lbs and would be ripped to a high competition standard at 165-170 lbs, which at 5'5'' is pretty comparable sizewise to an early Lee Labrada (around the time of his first Universe win for example), albeit with a much larger frame and slightly lower FFMI (fat free muscle index).

I wouldn't be sure whether or not Reinhardt is juiced or natural... but his level of development is not completely unattainable for a natural. Discussion of a natural limit (such as the FFMI) is interesting, but counterproductive for the vast majority of trainees who simply:
-don't know how to train
-don't know how to diet
-don't train hard
-don't train consistently
-want an excuse for their inability to gain muscle


To all the naysayers,

The average (that's AVERAGE) 5'9'' male trainee should be able to:
-bench 3 plates (315 lbs) for one good rep
-squat 4 plates (405 lbs) for one good rep (full depth)
-deadlift 5 plates (495 lbs) for one good rep
...within three years of starting to lift weights. This used to be known as the 3-4-5 rule.

Nowadays everyone simply assumes that anyone who looks like they might lift weights MUST be on the sauce... and sadly the reality is that most guys who look as if they lift weights are steroid users... but they needn't be.

No one should consider using steroids till they have reached the 3-4-5 level... and if that takes you twenty years (as it would for half of this board) then don't bother with the steroids because you don't know how to do the basics.


The Luke

[Ursus]

Luke, thanks for kind words however i wudnt go newhere near as far to say i am comparable to him.

however yes you can keep improving and growing after many years of training. yes i have only been training just over 3 years with broken spells, however its oin the past 3 months i have made my biggest gaiuns in size and strength. at a time when most people say my gains should indeed be slowing...

[Mons Venus]

Could this mag cover be any fvcken gayer ?

 

[mwbbuilder]

the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin.  Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin.    why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s?  Creatine? NOx?

Tim...you always use this argument. I disagree with your premise every time. You say "these natural look like the guys in the 70s and 80s"

They don't. Put them side by side (which you can't) and you'll see how much size the pros in the 70s and 80s have on these naturals.

Yes. Pictures DO lie. Photography and lighting is much better now. Side by side is the only way you can compare people. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT! Almost every top pro looks like a Mr.O winner standing all by themselves.

Although Arnold was quite impressive in many photos, you really don't see how mucular, lean, and masive he was until you see the video footage.

[slaveboy1980]

the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin.  Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin.    why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s?  Creatine? NOx?

always good posts from you tim......also even if the physique was attainable for a natural....the fact that he makes money from his physique and he is so involved in the "health" industry would guarantee that he was using alot of drugs.

its not (only) a question about his physique its a question about the mentality that exists in the "health culture" combined with money making opportunities.

=drugs

[Deicide]

Tim Fogarty,

Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy). When in shape I myself am a very solid 180 lbs and would be ripped to a high competition standard at 165-170 lbs, which at 5'5'' is pretty comparable sizewise to an early Lee Labrada (around the time of his first Universe win for example), albeit with a much larger frame and slightly lower FFMI (fat free muscle index).

I wouldn't be sure whether or not Reinhardt is juiced or natural... but his level of development is not completely unattainable for a natural. Discussion of a natural limit (such as the FFMI) is interesting, but counterproductive for the vast majority of trainees who simply:
-don't know how to train
-don't know how to diet
-don't train hard
-don't train consistently
-want an excuse for their inability to gain muscle


To all the naysayers,

The average (that's AVERAGE) 5'9'' male trainee should be able to:
-bench 3 plates (315 lbs) for one good rep
-squat 4 plates (405 lbs) for one good rep (full depth)
-deadlift 5 plates (495 lbs) for one good rep
...within three years of starting to lift weights. This used to be known as the 3-4-5 rule.

Nowadays everyone simply assumes that anyone who looks like they might lift weights MUST be on the sauce... and sadly the reality is that most guys who look as if they lift weights are steroid users... but they needn't be.

No one should consider using steroids till they have reached the 3-4-5 level... and if that takes you twenty years (as it would for half of this board) then don't bother with the steroids because you don't know how to do the basics.


The Luke

Rather scornful of you...you fail to mention at what age someone begins, what their athletic background is, etc...

[timfogarty]

Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy).

I don't know what Goudy looks like, but his profile says he's 21.  Markus is late 30s.  It's a lot easier to pack on muscle when you still have all that adolescent testosterone.  It's much harder to stay big (and lean) as you get older.  Also, I would see Markus now and then at Gold's, and sometimes he'd look bigger and harder than other times, kind of in a cyclical pattern.

[Monster81]

or maybe hes cycling vapor-nano9x !!!

[dawakaman]

Fools, he admits it on his own website:

"He had also begun competing again in his new home, in both natural and non-tested contests. “I did a few cycles of steroids off and on through 1994,” he admits, “nothing major.” After 1994 he decided to give them up completely. “I have good enough genetics that I don’t need to weigh 250 pounds to look impressive. Plus, my waistline is smaller, my face looks better and younger without them, and everybody I knew was telling me how great I looked clean.” Indeed, that was when his career as a fitness model really took off, and now his image has been seen in various print ads, magazines, on magazine covers, and even on an album cover."

from here(about halfway):

http://www.markusreinhardt.com/coming2america.htm



Peace
D

[Deicide]

Fools, he admits it on his own website:

"He had also begun competing again in his new home, in both natural and non-tested contests. “I did a few cycles of steroids off and on through 1994,” he admits, “nothing major.” After 1994 he decided to give them up completely. “I have good enough genetics that I don’t need to weigh 250 pounds to look impressive. Plus, my waistline is smaller, my face looks better and younger without them, and everybody I knew was telling me how great I looked clean.” Indeed, that was when his career as a fitness model really took off, and now his image has been seen in various print ads, magazines, on magazine covers, and even on an album cover."

from here(about halfway):

http://www.markusreinhardt.com/coming2america.htm



Peace
D

Those photos are recent however...

[The Luke]

Rather scornful of you...you fail to mention at what age someone begins, what their athletic background is, etc...

...dude, the guys on this site think anyone over 150 lbs is a roid monster.

Even Adonis was accused of using for the Mr GetBig, despite the fact that he was smaller than most non-trainers.

Everyone forgets that the average age on this site is about 18 and the average mentality is that of a twelve year old:
-Reinhardt must be on steroids because he has muscles
-Matthew McConaughey must be on gear because he has abs
-Brad Pitt must have been on gear for Fight Club (for Troy maybe... but Fight Club?)
-Eugene Sandow was on gear because some doctors had prescribed glandular extracts in his time
-Hercules must have been on steroids because those labours were pretty impressive

Maybe I'll enter the Mr GetBig3 myself and show up as big as... as... well, maybe as big as Frank Zane (but a little softer) and show you all! 


The Luke