Author Topic: Cop Uses Taser on Man Holding His Newborn Baby (Read 6529 times)

24KT · « **on:** October 07, 2007, 06:12:01 PM »

Cop Uses Taser on Man Holding His Newborn Baby
By JUAN A. LOZANO
Tue Aug 14

HOUSTON - In a confrontation captured on videotape, a hospital security guard fired a stun gun to stop a defiant father from taking home his newborn, sending both man and child crashing to the floor. Now William Lewis says his baby girl suffers from head trauma because she was dropped.

"I've got to wonder what kind of moron would Tase an adult holding a baby," said George Kirkham, a former police officer and criminologist at Florida State University. "It doesn't take rocket science to realize the baby is going to fall."

Lewis, 30, said the April 13 episode began after he and his wife felt mistreated by staff at the Woman's Hospital of Texas and they decided to leave. Hospital employees told him doctors would not allow it, but Lewis picked up the baby and strode to a bank of elevators.

The elevators would not move because wristband sensors on each baby shut them off if anyone takes an infant without permission.

Lewis, who gave the video to The Associated Press, said his daughter landed on her head, but it cannot be seen on the video. He said the baby continues to suffer ill effects from the fall.

"She shakes a lot and cries a lot," Lewis said, noting doctors have performed several MRIs on the child, Karla. "She's not real responsive. Something is definitely wrong with my daughter."..

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benz · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2007, 08:05:32 PM »

welcome to old news

24KT · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2007, 11:18:15 PM »

Quote from: benz on October 07, 2007, 08:05:32 PM

welcome to old news

I just think enough is enough. Taser happy cops are running amok.
I just saw on the news the other day that a Florida cop tasered a 15 yr old girl in handcuffs.

How can anyone in any circumstances justify a 200lb. cop tasering a little schoolgirl?

drkaje · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:07:57 AM »

Either you can't appreciate the difference between a cop and a security guard or you are trying to make some wierd point about tasers.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:07:07 AM »

Cops are totally keeping the tazer peace. They were supposed to only use tazers where they would have previously only used a gun and it's 100% clear that cops are being held to that. Go ahead, I dare you to prove me wrong Jag. I bet you can't even find 3 instances where cops have breached this and it's a good thing too, otherwise it would be a legitimate worry that tazer use would become the norm for minor police arrests.

"Fuck you Pig!!!"

ZZZZZZ.... ZZZZZZ..... ZZZZZZZ.....

"Bro Don't tazer me Bro!!!"

ZZZZZZ.... ZZZZZZ..... ZZZZZZZ.....

"EH!!! EH!!!! DWEEE EH.... EH...."

youandme · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2007, 08:05:21 AM »

Taser or Pepper Spray....? You decide

"Bzzzzz, Bzzzzzz, rrr, rrr,"

OR

"Ahhh my eyes, I can't breathe, ARRRRR, I can't feel my nose"

Purple Aki · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:21:55 AM »

Taser videos are the new porn.

Edit: Pepper spray videos are pretty hot, too.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/6414.html

benz · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:39:26 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on October 07, 2007, 11:18:15 PM

I just think enough is enough. Taser happy cops are running amok.
I just saw on the news the other day that a Florida cop tasered a 15 yr old girl in handcuffs.

How can anyone in any circumstances justify a 200lb. cop tasering a little schoolgirl?

Nothing of this would happen if people weren't breaking the law

Do the right thing and behave

kh300 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:20:44 PM »

the dude could have been holding the baby hostage for all we know.. he could have been making threats or getting ready to do something dangerous with a baby in his hand... or the cops could have been total assholes.. who the fuck knows..

my dog ran across his invisable fence and got zaped today.. i guess i like to torture puppies $:-\$

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:32:30 PM »

Quote from: kh300 on October 08, 2007, 02:20:44 PM

my dog ran across his invisable fence and got zaped today.. i guess i like to torture puppies $:-\$

You have your electric fence for your puppy set at 50,000 volts... or was that a really bad analogy

JBGRAY · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:12:56 PM »

Tasering is going a bit far. However, I think a small part of the way public reactions to these tazings is that they do indeed look quite melodramatic. It causes the victim to screech and scream which to the average viewer borders on near-torture, all the while the cop who is holding the taser is shouting down at the victim issuing commands.

I'm also confused as to why a security guard is issued a taser in the first place. In Broward county, the hospitals here are staffed by mostly security guards but are not issued tasers. They also have to deal with Baker Acts and drunken lunatics. And they do just fine without the use of the taser.

This instance here went way too far. The guard, at the very, very least, should be out of a job with his license suspended.

24KT · « **Reply #11 on:** October 09, 2007, 01:07:14 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on October 08, 2007, 04:07:57 AM

Either you can't appreciate the difference between a cop and a security guard or you are trying to make some wierd point about tasers.

The security guard was a cop whose 2nd job was that of a security guard in a hospital.

Hope That Clarifies

ps - I'm making a point (not a wierd one) about taser happy authority figures who abuse their authority.

24KT · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2007, 01:12:44 AM »

Quote from: benz on October 08, 2007, 10:39:26 AM

Nothing of this would happen if people weren't breaking the law

Do the right thing and behave

Benz,
Did you read the accompanying story?

The man and his wife felt mistreated at the hospital and decided to leave with their newborn baby.

He was NOT kidnapping a child. It was his own child. He was breaking no laws.

Bottom line is you don't zap a man holding a baby... that's just fvcking stoooopid!

KH, I'm truly not surprised you have an electrified fence for your puppy.

...really, I'm not.

drkaje · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2007, 04:14:03 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on October 09, 2007, 01:07:14 AM

The security guard was a cop whose 2nd job was that of a security guard in a hospital.

Hope That Clarifies

ps - I'm making a point (not a wierd one) about taser happy authority figures who abuse their authority.

Do you know who would have been sued if there was any complication whatsoever with that baby?

It's America, even if the baby removed AMA he could still win a lawsuit.

It being an off duty cop leads me to believe the act was justified. A cop would better know when to taser someone's ass than a security guard. People always talk shit to rent-a-cops anyway and there's no way the cop cold have known the whole story. What if the couple was seperated and no custody had been settled?

I'm not saying people aren't occasionally tased out of boredom or that there isn't some occasional abuse but those instances are exceptions rather than the rule.

24KT · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2007, 08:43:06 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on October 09, 2007, 04:14:03 AM

Do you know who would have been sued if there was any complication whatsoever with that baby? It's America, even if the baby removed AMA he could still win a lawsuit.

It being an off duty cop leads me to believe the act was justified. A cop would better know when to taser someone's ass than a security guard. People always talk shit to rent-a-cops anyway and there's no way the cop cold have known the whole story. What if the couple was seperated and no custody had been settled?

I'm not saying people aren't occasionally tased out of boredom or that there isn't some occasional abuse but those instances are exceptions rather than the rule.

And what if he was a cannibal picking up his dinner for the evening? 6 of this, half dozen of the other...

BOTTOM LINE:

Only a bloody moron tasers a man with a baby in his arms!

benz · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2007, 09:57:51 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on October 09, 2007, 01:12:44 AM

Benz,
Did you read the accompanying story?

The man and his wife felt mistreated at the hospital and decided to leave with their newborn baby.

He was NOT kidnapping a child. It was his own child. He was breaking no laws.

Bottom line is you don't zap a man holding a baby... that's just fvcking stoooopid!

KH, I'm truly not surprised you have an electrified fence for your puppy. ...really, I'm not.

So, according to your reasoning, if a man is carrying a baby and under his clothing, a bomb, you dont taser him?
Lol, hopefully most of the american population think in the other way.

And as for electrified fences for animals, its also the right thing to do.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2007, 10:40:26 AM »

Quote from: benz on October 09, 2007, 09:57:51 AM

So, according to your reasoning, if a man is carrying a baby and under his clothing, a bomb, you dont taser him?
Lol, hopefully most of the american population think in the other way.

And as for electrified fences for animals, its also the right thing to do.

Oh brother

You're serious with this lol...

drkaje · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2007, 11:48:45 AM »

Quote from: jaguarenterprises on October 09, 2007, 08:43:06 AM

And what if he was a cannibal picking up his dinner for the evening? 6 of this, half dozen of the other...

BOTTOM LINE:

Only a bloody moron tasers a man with a baby in his arms!

The idiot could have avoided beig tasered by following the proper procedure for taking the baby from the hospital. Thanks to Hillary Clinton, there is a set amount of time babies have to be in the hospital prior to being released.

The is 100% responsible for the child's injuries.

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #18 on:** October 09, 2007, 12:09:37 PM »

I love reading the defense of this.

It's not like the guy was a burglar breaking into a house and stealing someone's jewelry. They know his name and where he lives. There was no reason to blast him while he's holding the infant. They easily could have handled the situation without endangering the baby.

Here's a novel idea, how about following him out to his car and zapping him after the baby is safely in a car seat?

Weapons and a lack of the ability to reason are a dangerous combination.

drkaje · « **Reply #19 on:** October 09, 2007, 03:49:52 PM »

Quote from: ieffinhatecardio on October 09, 2007, 12:09:37 PM

I love reading the defense of this.

It's not like the guy was a burglar breaking into a house and stealing someone's jewelry. They know his name and where he lives. There was no reason to blast him while he's holding the infant. They easily could have handled the situation without endangering the baby.

Here's a novel idea, how about following him out to his car and zapping him after the baby is safely in a car seat?

Weapons and a lack of the ability to reason are a dangerous combination.

What if he didn't have a car seat?

What if the father was drunk or high?

What if they weren't married?

What if the baby had a condition that needed monitoring in the hospital?

What if the baby was being breast fed?

What if the baby had jaundice?

It sucks that the baby has a retard for a father but all of the tragedy could have been avoided by properly checking the baby out of the hospital. Aside from the injured baby, that retard will probably be made rich by a lawyer for the consequences of retarded behavior which will in turn encourage other retards to do retarded things as well.

I do find the viewpoint of the father having no responsibility whatsoever typical for a litigious society.

MB_722 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 09, 2007, 03:50:57 PM »

what if he didn't have anything wrong and the guy fucked up?

drkaje · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2007, 04:01:50 PM »

Quote from: MB_722 on October 09, 2007, 03:50:57 PM

what if he didn't have anything wrong and the guy fucked up?

We'll never know because the security guard was forced to taser his retarded ass.

It sucks that the kid might have been seriously injured but the father is 100% responsible.

He'll end up getting money because we're from a country where retardedness is rewarded.

They should demand genetic testing on that kid just in case.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2007, 04:36:41 PM »

some of you are fools... you don't taser a man with a baby, it could easily kill the baby. Reading some real dumb shit in this thread, what if he had a bomb

but but but what if...

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #23 on:** October 09, 2007, 04:39:11 PM »

Quote from: drkaje on October 09, 2007, 03:49:52 PM

What if he didn't have a car seat?

What if the father was drunk or high?

What if they weren't married?

What if the baby had a condition that needed monitoring in the hospital?

What if the baby was being breast fed?

What if the baby had jaundice?

It sucks that the baby has a retard for a father but all of the tragedy could have been avoided by properly checking the baby out of the hospital. Aside from the injured baby, that retard will probably be made rich by a lawyer for the consequences of retarded behavior which will in turn encourage other retards to do retarded things as well.

I do find the viewpoint of the father having no responsibility whatsoever typical for a litigious society.

They shouldn't have blasted him while he was holding the baby. All this other "what if" garbage is a smoke screen. It should have been handled in a manner that didn't endanger the infant.

A calm and reasoned approach is the only way in such a situation. They know where he lives, what he drives, his name and what he looks like. He wasn't going anywhere that they couldn't find him.

The whole situation is ridiculous.

drkaje · « **Reply #24 on:** October 09, 2007, 05:05:46 PM »

Quote from: ieffinhatecardio on October 09, 2007, 04:39:11 PM

They shouldn't have blasted him while he was holding the baby. All this other "what if" garbage is a smoke screen. It should have been handled in a manner that didn't endanger the infant.

A calm and reasoned approach is the only way in such a situation. They know where he lives, what he drives, his name and what he looks like. He wasn't going anywhere that they couldn't find him.

The whole situation is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous that there isn't any situation where some of you feel personal responsibility applies to the 'victim'.

Didn't see where the security guard knew he was the baby daddy, LOL! Either way, five minutes to sign the baby out AMA or carp to a social worker and the entire situation could have been avoided.

Maybe they should have just called the cops and let him try leaving with the baby. That would have likely escalated things to an even greater level of danger.