your one cantankerous dude. Squadfather get under your skin again.?
Listen, my point is this. You act like your gains are so great because they are more "real". But none of our gains our real because they are not permanent. Some day you will get a demanding job and a relationship that requires more than balling and you will not have time for 2 hour workouts and 6 meals a day. Your gains will erode. So why are muscles gained naturally better than muscles gained chemically, they are both temporary are they not?
And please dont talk about honor and valour and all that crap.
And by the way you were once a juicer were you not?
What's funny about this post is, I put on the most size when I was working @60 hours a week. It allowed me to actually be more regimented..haah Never missed a workout either. I love when people try to come up with some excuse for not eating enough meals or missing workout, please..haha
Yes, all gains are temporary. I'd rather gain 10lbs myself, than 30lbs through drug use. I simply don't respect it. Have I done a cycle, yes, one at 18. I also smoked weed at 16 and did coke a few times at 20. All to me, are a complete waste of time.
I wouldn't consider 2 months out of 15 years of training a significant enough period to be claimed a juicer, but if it works for you, sure.

Lastly, I wouldn't say there is more honor in doing it without drugs, but I'm sure 90% of the population would disagree with you there. Same reason why it's an embarassment when athletes get busted. It's a crutch for your progress. Without it, most wouldn't accomplish jack shit in a gym. I actually feel sorry for most people every time I lift. Just pathetic fuckers.
