This Should Be Open For Serious Discussion

[The Coach]

This is from another thread but should be seriously discussed.............


"How many thread have there been that were similar to this? Hundreds? Maybe thousands? I'm not talking about just on this forum, but others. Yet the judges won't pay attention and I know for a fact that they get on not only here, but others. What I see is that the majority and concensus of the bodybuilding world are just sick and tired of seeing big, bloated, unsymmetrical, lack of work ethic, unconditioned (compared to yester year) "bodybuilders".

Not one post have I seen that anyone came on to defend todays pro's.......why? Because about 90% realize that they don't compare to the BBer's in this thread, Milos hasn't defended or any other current pro that either comes on here or posts on here or any other board for that matter..........it's pathetic that the judges, sponsors, current competitors can't defend what they ultimately screwed up......the industry"

Judges...are you freaking blind at the FACT that the fans and BBing historians are just sick of your crap and favoritism??

[NarcissisticDeity]

The judges can ONLY judge what is on front of them ! period .

[bigdumbbell]

This is from another thread but should be seriously discussed.............


"How many thread have there been that were similar to this? Hundreds? Maybe thousands? I'm not talking about just on this forum, but others. Yet the judges won't pay attention and I know for a fact that they get on not only here, but others. What I see is that the majority and concensus of the bodybuilding world are just sick and tired of seeing big, bloated, unsymmetrical, lack of work ethic, unconditioned (compared to yester year) "bodybuilders".

Not one post have I seen that anyone came on to defend todays pro's.......why? Because about 90% realize that they don't compare to the BBer's in this thread, Milos hasn't defended or any other current pro that either comes on here or posts on here or any other board for that matter..........it's pathetic that the judges, sponsors, current competitors can't defend what they ultimately screwed up......the industry"

Judges...are you freaking blind at the FACT that the fans and BBing historians are just sick of your crap and favoritism??

r u saying judges have no ethics?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I don't think you guys should worry too much. Word out on the street is that people are starting back away from GH usage. There is also a younger generation coming into the sport. It will eventually change but it will take years.

[natural al]

you change things by just doing it for God's sake, stop giving Branch Warren a win when he looks like shit.  Stop giving the olympia away based on bodyweight or who's the "biggest", go back to what was popular back when BB was actually kinda popular with te public circa 1988-1992...

[G o a t b o y]

you change things by just doing it for God's sake, stop giving Branch Warren a win when he looks like shit. 

[biceps]

The judges can ONLY judge what is on front of them ! period .

The head judges for every pro bb contest should be selected by the athlets and judg panel should be international, the way is at the amator IFBB Mr.Univers.

[biceps]

The head judges for every pro bb contest should be selected by the athlets and judg panel should be international, the way is at the amator IFBB Mr.Univers.

And if any of the judges doing any cheating should be suspended and find $$$.

[BEAST 8692]

i'm not sure what the point is in this thread.

if it relates to jay beating wolf then agreed, but that has nothing to do with physique aesthetics as such and everything to do with who was the better bber on the night.

people want to see freaks when they open a mag or go to a show. that is why the fat contracts go to the freaks like ronnie (past tense) and the poor little guys are left to discuss things.

thus it has always been ie i'm sure frank zane complained about this very thing while people knocked him over trying to get a look at the freaks of the time, arnold, sergio, ferrigno, platz...

gh has been used since the 80s at least so i don't think that is the problem and, let's face it, if you put a 70s bber (besides arnold due to fame factor) up on stage at the 2003 olympia he would heckled back off the stage aand taken to the emergency room at a mental hospital.

bodybuilding is a sport for freaks who want to push the envelope.

end of discussion.

[Cleanest Natural]

It's just a sad state of things : when u have people mixed with money and endorsing athletes...it's a tough mix. Do u guys forget that judges eat from " the industry " also ?

[The Coach]

i'm not sure what the point is in this thread.

if it relates to jay beating wolf then agreed, but that has nothing to do with physique aesthetics as such and everything to do with who was the better bber on the night.

people want to see freaks when they open a mag or go to a show. that is why the fat contracts go to the freaks like ronnie (past tense) and the poor little guys are left to discuss things.

thus it has always been ie i'm sure frank zane complained about this very thing while people knocked him over trying to get a look at the freaks of the time, arnold, sergio, ferrigno, platz...

gh has been used since the 80s at least so i don't think that is the problem and, let's face it, if you put a 70s bber (besides arnold due to fame factor) up on stage at the 2003 olympia he would heckled back off the stage aand taken to the emergency room at a mental hospital.

bodybuilding is a sport for freaks who want to push the envelope.

end of discussion.

You're not sure what the point of the thread is?

This has NOTHING to do with out come of the Olympia, I'm pretty sure 95% of the BBing world figured out it was flat out fixed. You said people want to see freaks when they open a magazine or go to a show, I say that's bullshit simple because of the input people have on here and other boards (it has a bigger infulence than you might think) again, most are sick of the bloated, unaesthetic physiques that are presented today. There's too many polls out there that PROVE that people would rather see the 'old school' physique that todays.....besides, it's much harder to attain the old school conditioning than it is now.

[The Coach]

The judges can ONLY judge what is on front of them ! period .

No no no.....the judges are the ones who set the standard....the onus is on them!

[natural al]

No no no.....the judges are the ones who set the standard....the onus is on them!

exactly...but they're all high and mighty and know what's best for the "sport" remember when steve W.-don't know how to spell his last name-got up and yelled back at the fans for booing at the NOC a few years ago...that speaks volumes.

[BEAST 8692]

You're not sure what the point of the thread is?

This has NOTHING to do with out come of the Olympia, I'm pretty sure 95% of the BBing world figured out it was flat out fixed. You said people want to see freaks when they open a magazine or go to a show, I say that's bullshit simple because of the input people have on here and other boards (it has a bigger infulence than you might think) again, most are sick of the bloated, unaesthetic physiques that are presented today. There's too many polls out there that PROVE that people would rather see the 'old school' physique that todays.....besides, it's much harder to attain the old school conditioning than it is now.

you're probably right about most people but the hardcore nuts that shell out the money want to see the prime colemans and dillets of the word.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No no no.....the judges are the ones who set the standard....the onus is on them!

No they don't set the standard they have criteria to follow which includes muscular bulk , muscle density , balanced development , conditioning , posing & presentation and its usually who meets the criteria the best wins the contest as of late its been the biggest and who had the best conditioning at that weight and everything else follows

they could start by penalizing guys with bloated guts and set a precedent but that depends on how well they hold it in , see Cutler who has an obvious gut but manages to keep it under control , the trend has move onto size and thats why Ronnie won thats why Jay won its a prerequisite in this day and age and the onset GH IG1 and Isulin guys are getting a lot bigger but their conditioning and balance are going to hell for it

I've been bitching about this for years now but in the end size rules the day

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[natural al]

No they don't set the standard they have criteria to follow which includes muscular bulk , muscle density , balanced development , conditioning , posing & presentation and its usually who meets the criteria the best wins the contest as of late its been the biggest and who had the best conditioning at that weight and everything else follows

they could start by penalizing guys with bloated guts and set a precedent but that depends on how well they hold it in , see Cutler who has an obvious gut but manages to keep it under control , the trend has move onto size and thats why Ronnie won thats why Jay won its a prerequisite in this day and age and the onset GH IG1 and Isulin guys are getting a lot bigger but their conditioning and balance are going to hell for it

I've been bitching about this for years now but in the end size rules the day

No, ND you're wrong on this one, what you stated that they judges are supposed to do is correct, what they do is another thing.  Jay Cutler looks the way he does right now because the judges "told" him he had to look like that to win the olympia, same with alot of the guys who's bodies have changed over the years-Branch, DJ, Ronnie etc.  

Jay did exactly what the judges wanted him to do to have him win, they could easily make a statement and have a guy like Wolf step up and be the standard and the whole sport would follow the leader, they are the key but until they change the way they do things the "sport" will never change.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, ND you're wrong on this one, what you stated that they judges are supposed to do is correct, what they do is another thing.  Jay Cutler looks the way he does right now because the judges "told" him he had to look like that to win the olympia, same with alot of the guys who's bodies have changed over the years-Branch, DJ, Ronnie etc. 

Jay did exactly what the judges wanted him to do to have him win, they could easily make a statement and have a guy like Wolf step up and be the standard and the whole sport would follow the leader, they are the key but until they change the way they do things the "sport" will never change.

You're right because I mean there was NO way Jay was beating Ronnie if he wasn't on par size wise ! but its not size alone if that was the case Art Atwood and Alex Fedrov would be Mr Olympia its still the combo of size , conditioning and to a lesser extent balance & posing etc

And the case for a ' new ' movement would better suited for Dexter Jackson I mean he's symmetrical , has enough size , great conditioning but again mass rules the day !

[Zach Trowbridge]

you're probably right about most people but the hardcore nuts that shell out the money want to see the prime colemans and dillets of the word.

Dillet circa 96-98 would be a welcome change on a pro stage now.  Big and freaky, yes, but still had a fantastic taper and had good balance between mass and aesthetics.  Just couldn't pose worth a shit.

[The Coach]

No they don't set the standard they have criteria to follow which includes muscular bulk , muscle density , balanced development , conditioning , posing & presentation and its usually who meets the criteria the best wins the contest as of late its been the biggest and who had the best conditioning at that weight and everything else follows

they could start by penalizing guys with bloated guts and set a precedent but that depends on how well they hold it in , see Cutler who has an obvious gut but manages to keep it under control , the trend has move onto size and thats why Ronnie won thats why Jay won its a prerequisite in this day and age and the onset GH IG1 and Isulin guys are getting a lot bigger but their conditioning and balance are going to hell for it

I've been bitching about this for years now but in the end size rules the day

The criteria is clear on judging standards (you forgot SYMMETRY) yet they are not followed. If you were to take an old school ripped physique with decent size and symmetry and put him against the bigger less conditioned BBers with less or very little symmetry, who do think the judges would give too?

[Matt C]

This would stand to reason that Troy Alves would sell tickets to shows right?

[The Coach]

This would stand to reason that Troy Alves would sell tickets to shows right?

Explain please.

[bigdumbbell]

The criteria is clear on judging standards (you forgot SYMMETRY) yet they are not followed. If you were to take an old school ripped physique with decent size and symmetry and put him against the bigger less conditioned BBers with less or very little symmetry, who do think the judges would give too?

how are you going to have judges that are ethical let alone know physiology

[The Coach]

how are you going to have judges that are ethical let alone know physiology

They should know what a well conditioned balanced physique looks like!

[Matt C]

Explain please.

His type of physique is old school.  Are you saying that is what people want to see?