The guys in the 60s-70s must have been made of Rock.

[jakecody]

check this out.  got that off another board and double chacked it.
Arnold Schwarzenegger steroids cycle


 Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable)
 Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral)
 Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
 
Week 1
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 2
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 3
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 4
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 5
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 6
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 7
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 8
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 9
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 10
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 11
 1000mg / week
 100mg / day
 
 
Week 12
 1000mg / week
 100mg / day
 
 
Week 13
 1000mg / week
 100mg / day
 
 
Week 14
 1000mg / week
 100mg / day
 
 
Week 15
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 16
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 17
 800mg / week
 80mg / day
 
 
Week 18
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 19
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
Week 20
 600mg / week
 60mg / day
 
 
BRIDGE
 
Week 21
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
Week 22
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
Week 23
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
Week 24
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
Week 25
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
Week 26
 
 30mg / day
 200mg / week
 
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
 

 The cut and paste did not work too well.  the bridge is Dbol and Deca.
How about that.  What AI?  What AE? What PCT? What Test?  Time off - No such thing.  I did not think the human body could take such abuse...And yet they are still around.

[local hero]

no one knows what arnies stack was, not even his closest freinds!

[delta9mda]

you call that abuse? hahahahahah that aint sheeeiiiitttt.

[powerpack]

There was no real PCT in those days.
No AIs and no AEs, having bitch tits in 1970s was par for the course, sort of like a cauliflower ears for a rugby player.
Coming off was a massive struggle.
Dan Duchaine was the first guy really to bring PCT to the masses.

[Arnold jr]

This cycle has been posted here several times, as have numerous other Arnold "supposed" cycles...the one thing they all have in common, everyone says this is the legit Arnold cycle.

The only reason anyone even knows that Arnold used dbol and fina is because those are the two he has typically talked about in interviews in the past...that doesn't mean those were the two main ones he used.

Anyone who thinks Arnold didn't' take everything that was available to him at the time has lost their mind. He may have very well gone periods where he didn't use any test in his plan, but you can bet your ass that test was in there at some point...especially considering the type of marathon training he used to do.

Last off, that dose of dbol you have listed, no way. I've heard Arnold say in past interviews more then once, that back in the Gold's days that they used to eat dbol like tic-tacs...so know way they even new how many mg/ed they were using, and no way it was just 60-100mg/ed

Point being to all this, long and short, that posted cycle is 100% bullshit.

[trab]

He looked full of Drol and Test and Deca in plenty of Pix.

THe idea these guys took a couple dbol a days is pure BS.

[jakecody]

The point being even if the numbers are not exactly right they put a lot of drugs into their bodies without long breaks (if any)and without any "aids" (AI,AE, clomid, HCG...) I'm not even sure if they had liver protection supplements.  I really wander how much a body can take after all Arnold is still around.  Today we have the "tools" and supposed knowledge of how to plan a cycle.  Even if some of the above cycle (can we call it that?) is right it definitely goes against current theory and safety.

[local hero]

i think it has a lot to do with your genes too,,, i know plenty very advanced british lads who still dont beleive in pct... they never have and never will, but they dont get crashes when they come off or get sex drive problems...one is in his 50's and still in good health

[trab]

i think it has a lot to do with your genes too,,, i know plenty very advanced british lads who still dont beleive in pct... they never have and never will, but they dont get crashes when they come off or get sex drive problems...one is in his 50's and still in good health

Yup, look @ Casey Viator and the rest of that eras gang. Indestructible Mesomorph naturals.

Hard to kill.

I think this insulin + GH thing has changed the rules. Its possible to practically genetically alter the body if
done young enough.

Ever seen before and after Pix's of that Aurthor El Rae (sp?) He was a skeleton to start.

[atr911]

I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training.  Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.

GH and slin have changed the game for sure.  Look at the change between Yates and the man before him.  It's a pretty drastic change.  Still, so say anyone could look like arnold or ronnie is madness.  Go ahead, post up your pictures and we'll see how many of the 15,000 members can even hold a candle to his look.  I'll be big bucks that anyone who is even CLOSE is on way more gear than he was.

[Arnold jr]

I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training.  Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.

If you're trying to compete in a major way, then you're right, staying on most of the time is what you'll have to do. Staying on nonstop, no, but the majority of the year.

The yo-yoing you speak of, this can be a problem but nonstop can be a bigger problem. That's why the guys who remain active for a long time and who are serious about this whole thing take short breaks...you have to have these breaks to maintain "freshness" as well as sanity to a degree IMO.

By short breaks I'm talking about 6-8wks once, maybe 2xyr max...that's assuming the guy in question is competing every year without a break. if he takes a year off from the stage, then that's a whole other ballgame.

[The Squadfather]

hahahahaha, "abuse", oh brother that's a drop in the bucket compared to even local level NPC guys these days, hahahahahahahahaaaaa, i've never laughed so hard in my life, 600-800mg. a week Primobolan and 60mg. d bol a day? hahahahahahahaaaaaa, that's nothing.

[Overload]

He might have used that much at 18 years old...lol

Arnold used everything under the sun, he was Weider's poster boy afterall.

this also shows that oral steroids aren't near as bad as people think. i know alot of guys back then took orals for years on end. i'm not saying it's a good idea to take orals for a long period but the guys who think 8 weeks is a long time for orals need to wake up.

[delta9mda]

hahahahaha, "abuse", oh brother that's a drop in the bucket compared to even local level NPC guys these days, hahahahahahahahaaaaa, i've never laughed so hard in my life, 600-800mg. a week Primobolan and 60mg. d bol a day? hahahahahahahaaaaaa, that's nothing.

wow, we agree on something

[jakecody]

He might have used that much at 18 years old...lol

Arnold used everything under the sun, he was Weider's poster boy afterall.

this also shows that oral steroids aren't near as bad as people think. i know alot of guys back then took orals for years on end. i'm not saying it's a good idea to take orals for a long period but the guys who think 8 weeks is a long time for orals need to wake up.

That's my point right there.  60-100mg/day of dbol and 800mg/week of primo might not be considered a lot today but it's the fact that those guys stayed on year around.  When i read threads by experienced users the recom for dbol is 4- 6 weeks in dosages of less then 100mg/day.  Most do not recom cycles of longer then 16-20 weeks with at least 2-3 months off time. 

[DragonRider]

The point being even if the numbers are not exactly right they put a lot of drugs into their bodies without long breaks (if any)and without any "aids" (AI,AE, clomid, HCG...)

 it definitely goes against current theory and safety.

Not really. Those numbers might be slightly high, but just slightly. And that's for those of us who will never compete.

[The Squadfather]

That's my point right there.  60-100mg/day of dbol and 800mg/week of primo might not be considered a lot today but it's the fact that those guys stayed on year around.  When i read threads by experienced users the recom for dbol is 4- 6 weeks in dosages of less then 100mg/day.  Most do not recom cycles of longer then 16-20 weeks with at least 2-3 months off time. 

todays pros stay on year round too.

[Arnold jr]

todays pros stay on year round too.

...and so do most amateur's

[trab]

...and so do most amateur's

And even a lot of sheetrockers, golfers, bowlers , race drivers,,,, Why aint our politicians caught on?
They need some performance enhancement more-n anyone.

[DragonRider]

...and so do most amateur's

Amen.

[jakecody]

But then why did I bother spending months researching, asking questions on this board, bothering the hell out of Arnold, RDW, Overload...Lets just make it simple - Go on and stay on.

[Arnold jr]

But then why did I bother spending months researching, asking questions on this board, bothering the hell out of Arnold, RDW, Overload...Lets just make it simple - Go on and stay on.

No one is saying staying on year round is a good thing, just that a lot of people do it...no one said they were smart people either.

All that said, "time on = time off" is the safest approach. Is it absolutely necessary or is it how I do things? The answer is no to both.

[Luv2Hurt]

I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training.  Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.

There is a lot of truth in this.  Really once you shut down natural production it will be just as difficult to recover from a 10 weeks cycle as a 1+ year cycle, it really does not matter.

The thing that matters though are the effects long term supralogical doses of steroids have on your cardiovascular system, chiefly your heart.  Do you really think it is coincidence that these long time BB/gear heads have died from "heart problems"

[DragonRider]

Do you really think it is coincidence that these long time BB/gear heads have died from "heart problems"

Can you name just one? Most of the gear heads from the 60's and 70's are much healthier than our grandparents and great grandparents ever thought of being.

[trab]

Can you name just one? Most of the gear heads from the 60's and 70's are much healthier than our grandparents and great grandparents ever thought of being.

I dont know about thet. Personaly my farmer grandparents and their friends are MUCH sturdier than the younger generations IMO. Even more so In SE Asia, my wifes homeland. Very old age common, with next to no health care in her area. They eat all natural, live in the clean air.

Many of them big wrestlers and strongmen die young of heart issues.
Keep tabs on lipids and BP etc MAY help, may not.
we all die in the end though,