I like the movement but like gh15 has said about Milos, he built a foundation of muscle before he started doing most of his "finesse" moves. I just do two presses right now and my chest is thickening up. I mean, I looked at Franco, Arnold, JOJ, and Branch (all pressers) and they had thick ass chests and that's what built the size, then they started adding in cables and flyes. I only do three back moves now and they are basic and guess what, my back is growing faster than before.