Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??

[pumpster]

Only thing you could critisize him on is his conditioning and even that is debatable.

Most of the time he lacked detail, especially for example on arms. He's rarely if ever mentioned on short lists of the best all-time arms for this reason, despite their size.

[pumpster]

Sergio destroys Ronnie, Sergio has a waist 8'' smaller than Ronnie, bigger arms and chest  and real calves....no sythonal

Oliva had a better structure & balance, but didn't have the detail most of the time so it's not as clear-cut as you're saying there are pros and cons. Even at his best, his arms had nowhere near Coleman's detai, striations or peak in fact he had no detail in his bis at all.

[pumpster]

These are the best shots of Sergo I have ever seen...  

Very smooth in those shots and in fact smooth in the majority of shots available online.  In the 70s he wasn't around good physique photographers in general, and thus most of the pics available online aren't good representations of his best condition. Too many of them are from the mid-80s or earlier in his career.

The best ones available were taken around but not on the day of the '72 Olympia, his condition after training with Jones. He didn't peak the day of the contest.

[pumpster]

sergio might have had more upperbody mass than coleman at their peaks. it would be really close.

Completely the opposite of reality. In the 70s this shot of Oliva was the definition of massiveness, i didn't think anyone could exceed it. Yet here we see Coleman actually making Sergio look slim in comparison.

[alexxx]

Most of the time he lacked detail, especially for example on arms. He's rarely if ever mentioned on short lists of the best all-time arms for this reason, despite their size.

lol just check out the flex issue with the 20 best arms.. he is in it. Heck he could be in any "the best of" parts!

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you bias or what? from what i understand, u and hulkster agreed that ronnie's best is 1999.... not 1995. and sergio's pic is also larger than ronnie's, making sergio appear bigger. boy u should work for flexonline.com. im happy there are people like me who see these tactics and can point them out to others who may think that ronnie is worse than sergio because of an unfair comparison by a guy who hates big ron.

if u dont think ronnie has a deep ribcage, u must be hard of seeing.

Wow you're not to bright I was doing that was response to Hulkster posting pictures of Sergio obviously NOT at his best , which is why I posted that ' comparison ' and 1999 is NOT Ronnie's best sorry he looked better 2001 ASC and Ronnie doesn't have a deep rib cage thats obvious in his side chest shot do you need anything else corrected?

[NarcissisticDeity]

you can see in the 95 ( ) shot that ND posted how much better Ronnie became.

his frame looked fucked up with not as much muscle.

a few years later, he was a different physique entirely.

and went from placing out of the top 15 at the olympia to winning 8 of them..

Hypocrite ( nothing new ) you posted pics of Sergio at 226 pounds NOT his best so that was a Hulkster-type response showing your bias and stupidity thanks for partiscipating , jackass .

Sergio was NOT his best in 67-69 Auther Jones years Sergio was outstanding.

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry.  but this thread does nothing but expose how bad ND is at evaluating physiques.

its not really fair to compare Ronnie and Sergio.

Ronnie annihilates him, and has he should. he is a champion compared to the best 30 years ago...

Again stop projecting your stupidity on me , you're the fucking moron who types how Ronnie & Sergio both have amazing full muscle bellies lmfao this show your ignorance , how does one have full muscle bellies when Ronnie has high short calves , and bowling pin shaped forearms? let me answer they can't period , Sergio's structure kills Ronnie you can't counter this .

[NarcissisticDeity]

It wasn't just that, he had problems dieting and getting cut even in relation to some guys back then. His best shape was with Jones for a short time, essentially with someone else cracking the whip.

He was still great even post Jones years when he was competining in the WBBG or whatever that was , he was never as sharp as Arnold or Zane , we're talking strictly struture , balance & proportion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oliva had a better structure & balance, but didn't have the detail most of the time so it's not as clear-cut as you're saying there are pros and cons. Even at his best, his arms had nowhere near Coleman's detai, striations or peak in fact he had no detail in his bis at all.

You're a fucking idiot for many reasons lol but this one specifically because you just typed I don't know what I'm talking about then fucking agree with me that Sergio has a better structure and balance , at least you can admit the obvious

and were not talking about conditioning , we're talking about balance & proportion , and natural structure , pay attention.

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry.  but this thread does nothing but expose how bad ND is at evaluating physiques.

its not really fair to compare Ronnie and Sergio.

Ronnie annihilates him, and has he should. he is a champion compared to the best 30 years ago...

Again talking out of your ass " Annihilates " him in what? Size no one is arguing size , or condition ( God you people can't pay attention ) Ronnie does NOT I repeat does not beat Sergio in natrual born structue and proportion 30 years has NOTHING to do with this , either you're born like Sergio or not and Ronnie was NOT you can't train for that sorry idiot , wrong again

[NarcissisticDeity]

These are the best shots of Sergo I have ever seen...  

Th front double biceps shows crystal clear how much better Sergio's structure was to Ronnie's full diamond shaped calves in perfect proportion with his huge flaring quads , narrow waist & hips and a FLAT abdomen , small joints perfect torso length in relation to his lower body , FULL low insertions on his forearms in proportion with his biceps triceps , wide clavicles , Ronnie doesn't compare to this anyone who thinks he's comparable or better is ignorant period.

[JOHN MATRIX]

in a modern bodybuilding contest, Ronald would destroy him.
but realistically sergio 'looked' better.
if sergio were competing today he would be unstoppable, better even that ronald was.

[Palpatine Q]

Again talking out of your ass " Annihilates " him in what? Size no one is arguing size , or condition ( God you people can't pay attention ) Ronnie does NOT I repeat does not beat Sergio in natrual born structue and proportion 30 years has NOTHING to do with this , either you're born like Sergio or not and Ronnie was NOT you can't train for that sorry idiot , wrong again

The name of the thread is "Sergio vs Ronnie - WHO WINS??"  not "Who had better natural born structure"

And as far as THAT question goes, The edge goes to Sergio, by a very narrow margin, which is more than made up for by Ronnie's god-given muscular detail. All the steroids in the world don't create that look, just ask Jay

[tu_holmes]

The name of the thread is "Sergio vs Ronnie - WHO WINS??"  not "Who had better natural born structure"

And as far as THAT question goes, The edge goes to Sergio, by a very narrow margin, which is more than made up for by Ronnie's god-given muscular detail. All the steroids in the world don't create that look, just ask Jay

What if someone asked the question.

Who would you rather look like?

Would everyone who picked Ronnie still say him in regards to that question?

I'd rather look like The Myth myself, but that's just me.

[Palpatine Q]

What if someone asked the question.

Who would you rather look like?

Would everyone who picked Ronnie still say him in regards to that question?

I'd rather look like The Myth myself, but that's just me.

I don't want to look like either one of them. I'm a good looking white person, fuck that. And I'm quite happy with my genetics, although I wouldn't cry if i woke up one day with a 30 inch waist and Arnold's pecs

[tu_holmes]

I don't want to look like either one of them. I'm a good looking white person, fuck that. And I'm quite happy with my genetics, although I wouldn't cry if i woke up one day with a 30 inch waist and Arnold's pecs

Haha!!!

I heard that...

Personally, I'd like to have the structure of Mr. Oliva there, but I don't hate on the way I look myself. I just don't look like THAT.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The name of the thread is "Sergio vs Ronnie - WHO WINS??"  not "Who had better natural born structure"

And as far as THAT question goes, The edge goes to Sergio, by a very narrow margin, which is more than made up for by Ronnie's god-given muscular detail. All the steroids in the world don't create that look, just ask Jay

The topic arose and Hulkster ( as usual ) was corrected I wasn't arguing about conditioning or size just the base , Sergio with his base born in 1970 using the same products of Ronnie would crush everyone Ronnie included , lets see how great Ronnie would look popping a few Dianabols a day now where near impressive.

[suckmymuscle]

  Sergio is vastly genetically superior to Ronnie. This is not even debatable. Ronnie has:

 - Relatively high lats.

 - High calves.

 - A lower body that is longer than the upper body - the opposite of Shawn Ray, who has short thighs and a long torso.

 - High outer triceps head.

 - Far less dramatic clavicle width to hip width than Sergio.

 - Bigger joints than Sergio, giving a far less dramatic impression of size.

  Not to say that Ronnie is not genetically gifted. He is. But he can't hold a candle to The Myth in the genetics department. The only thing that Ronnie trumps Sergio at is sheer mass and vascularity, which is something that all bodybuilders from the 1990s and beyond defeat Sergio at. Basically, any guy can be bigger than Sergio with the amount of drugs bodybuilders take nowadays.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Sergio is vastly genetically superior to Ronnie. This is not even debatable. Ronnie has:

 - Relatively high lats.

 - High calves.

 - A lower body that is longer than the upper body - the opposite of Shawn Ray, who has short thighs and a long torso.

 - High outer triceps head.

 - Far less dramatic clavicle width to hip width than Sergio.

 - Bigger joints than Sergio, giving a far less dramatic impression of size.

  Not to say that Ronnie is not genetically gifted. He is. But he can't hold a candle to The Myth in the genetics department. The only thing that Ronnie trumps Sergio at is sheer mass and vascularity, which is something that all bodybuilders from the 1990s and beyond defeat Sergio at. Basically, any guy can be bigger than Sergio with the amount of drugs bodybuilders take nowadays.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post ! as usual hey Hulkster ever notice how the smater guys usually come to the same conclusions? lol

[natural al]

Great post ! as usual hey Hulkster ever notice how the smater guys usually come to the same conclusions? lol

sorry ND...I had to point it out....

genetically I think Sergio is probably the best alltime but some people can't take into account different era's when they speak about these things, sergio in his prime was competing in the early 70's so think about the advantages Ronnie has in terms of almost everything aside from genetics...drugs, diet, higer standards for conditioning etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry ND...I had to point it out....

genetically I think Sergio is probably the best alltime but some people can't take into account different era's when they speak about these things, sergio in his prime was competing in the early 70's so think about the advantages Ronnie has in terms of almost everything aside from genetics...drugs, diet, higer standards for conditioning etc.

No problem thats what happens when I type to quick lol and Hulkster another who knows Sergio's genetics are unmatched .

[GoneAway]

Wow you're not to bright I was doing that was response to Hulkster posting pictures of Sergio obviously NOT at his best , which is why I posted that ' comparison ' and 1999 is NOT Ronnie's best sorry he looked better 2001 ASC and Ronnie doesn't have a deep rib cage thats obvious in his side chest shot do you need anything else corrected?

my bad... as far as side chest goes, ronnie doesnt thrust out his chest and expand his ribcage like in the old days. he does a more twisting shot to flex the intercostals and serratus, as alot of pros do now. not a good representation of his ribcage height or depth at all. here's a better shot:

http://www.muscletime.com/photos/v/professional-bodybuilding/arnold-classic-contest/2001-arnold-classic/2001-arnold-classic-onstage/2001-arnold-classic-81.jpg.html

[Hulkster]

ND doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

the whole board knows this!

[Hulkster]

Sergio destroys Ronnie, Sergio has a waist 8'' smaller than Ronnie, bigger arms and chest  and real calves....no sythonal

bigger arms and chest?

I doubt that.
Ronnie was 257 at his best. Segio was what? 235?

and no evidence of synthol has ever been shown in Ronnie's calves - people look at a pic and cry synthol, without having the brains to compare calves with his calves at the beginning of his career. they have have always looked the same, although obviously a slight size increase as he gained 50 pounds of muscle.