Author Topic: Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ?? (Read 35555 times)

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #150 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:44:53 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on November 14, 2007, 06:41:52 PM

LOL tell me about it.

yet more words of wisdom from ND..

I love how you can't counter what I'm saying so you just wait for another ignorant person to agree with you lol it's funny

Hulkster · « **Reply #151 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:48:07 PM »

yes, ND we get it.

the entire bb community is ignorant except you...

in case you haven't noticed: almost everyone feels peak Ronnie is better than dorian, shawn ray should have won in 94, and that if shawn had dorian's size he would have been a multi time Mr. O winner..negating Yates to second or third at best.

but we are all wrong and only you are 'right'. we know..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #152 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:55:15 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on November 14, 2007, 06:48:07 PM

yes, ND we get it.

the entire bb community is ignorant except you...

in case you haven't noticed: almost everyone feels peak Ronnie is better than dorian, shawn ray should have won in 94, and that if shawn had dorian's size he would have been a multi time Mr. O winner..negating Yates to second or third at best.

but we are all wrong and only you are 'right'. we know..

Again stop speaking for the ' entire bodybuilding community " it look silly when you do so and as far as how contests are judged 90% of the people I've seen post on bodybuilding boards are ignorant absolutely and you've established your ignorance LONG ago and continue to do so

See argument ad poplulum for the majority opinion NOT making it correct

Shawn Ray HIMSELF said he got the place he deserved in 1994

( man you look stupid right now ) lol

And if Shawn had Dorian's size he'd look really stupid because he's only 5'7" his structure was maxed out with just 205 pounds never mind 260 , he his balance & proportion would even be worse , he's still have a long torso and short legs , high calves and no clavicle width , see above you look fucking stupid again , showing your complete ignorance about physique evaluation and common sense

anything else?

Hulkster · « **Reply #153 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:01:53 PM »

ND, if you paid any attention at all you would realize that when I say the entire bb community, it is pretty damn close.

spend some time on the net at this and other boards, or read some magazines.

you will see that your assertions are by far the bizarro minority, because you don't know how to evaluate a physique properly.

your never ending comments on ronnie's supposedly major flaws that no one else can see are just one example.

you have been getting owned badly lately on many threads at once..

Hulkster · « **Reply #154 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:05:16 PM »

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See argument ad poplulum for the majority opinion NOT making it correct

you are not evaluating physiques properly.

the rest of the bodybuilding community, including pros, net fans, writers etc. ARE.

especially when it comes to evaluating a peak Ronnie Coleman.

that makes you incorrect.

period.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #155 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:09:45 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on November 14, 2007, 07:01:53 PM

ND, if you paid any attention at all you would realize that when I say the entire bb community, it is pretty damn close.

spend some time on the net at this and other boards, or read some magazines.

you will see that your assertions are by far the bizarro minority.

Again stop speaking for the ' entire bodybuilding community ' you look silly doing so and it doesn't matter what the masses think Shawn Ray himself said he got the placing he deserved in 1994 this silences you and all the other idiots who think other wise if you knew the first thing about bodybuilding you'd know exactly why he lost and here's the kicker Shawn Ray was trailing behind Levrone after the pre-judging and he only beat him on th posing rounds lol you know what that means Mr Ignorant? he was NEVER ever close to beating Dorian he was lucky to beat Levrone and the crowd in attendance ( the bodybuilding community ) Booed when Shawn was placed ahead of Kevin lol wow so much for what you and the rest of the idiots know .

and Oh I haven't just spent some time on the boards and on the net , I was following bodybuilding when there was NO internet lol the first time I touched a weight was 1986 chances are you weren't even born , I've read most of the books on the subject of professional bodybuilding and have most the the magazines from 1986 ON and some from well before I'm very well read on the subject and I may not know everything but I sure as fuck know more than you and most people I see on these boards

anything else you need corrected?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #156 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:18:20 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on November 14, 2007, 07:05:16 PM

you are not evaluating physiques properly.

the rest of the bodybuilding community, including pros, net fans, writers etc. ARE.

especially when it comes to evaluating a peak Ronnie Coleman.

that makes you incorrect.

period.

Hulkster I've never once see ANY quote from anyone that says Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , so thats a LIE I've posted numerous quotes saying Yates has when specifically compared to Ronnie which verifies my claim and crushes yours

again who is contradicting my claim Ronnie's calves suck? NO ONE lol or they lack proportion in relation to his quads

I mean Ronnie weighed just 247 pounds in 1998 is anyone contradicting that claim too? lol and I wrong there ? is it wrong to say Dorian has a advantage in muscular bulk when he's an inch shorter and weighs 13 more pounds? who proved me wrong on that?

You claimed Ronnie has a better side chest shot than Dorian , Ronnie himself said Dorian had the best side chest shot he ever seen , I'll take it from the horses mouth NOT yours

Ronnie said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen , you're arguing with him? see a pattern here? this makes you incorrect

Ronnie said his best Olympia apperance was 1998 because his conditioning was spot on and this is verified by Peter McGough , again how is this proving me wrong? its NOT

Hulkster you're not in my league I could go on and on but the point is made.

Matt C · « **Reply #157 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:42:39 PM »

So according to ND Frank Zane and Dorian are better balanced that Shawn?

Hulkster · « **Reply #158 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:58:38 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on November 14, 2007, 07:18:20 PM

Hulkster I've never once see ANY quote from anyone that says Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , so thats a LIE I've posted numerous quotes saying Yates has when specifically compared to Ronnie which verifies my claim and crushes yours

again who is contradicting my claim Ronnie's calves suck? NO ONE lol or they lack proportion in relation to his quads

I mean Ronnie weighed just 247 pounds in 1998 is anyone contradicting that claim too? lol and I wrong there ? is it wrong to say Dorian has a advantage in muscular bulk when he's an inch shorter and weighs 13 more pounds? who proved me wrong on that?

You claimed Ronnie has a better side chest shot than Dorian , Ronnie himself said Dorian had the best side chest shot he ever seen , I'll take it from the horses mouth NOT yours

Ronnie said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen , you're arguing with him? see a pattern here? this makes you incorrect

Ronnie said his best Olympia apperance was 1998 because his conditioning was spot on and this is verified by Peter McGough , again how is this proving me wrong? its NOT

Hulkster you're not in my league I could go on and on but the point is made.

honestly, you must be the dumbest poster on this board.

$:-\$

you miss the whole point entirely.

as usual.

your argument seems to be that because dorian has better balance and proportion, that he would win.

problem is, the muscular shape, detail and vascularity that Ronnie has causes him to win almost all the mandatory poses.

so the SLIGHT difference in balance/proportion don't help him at all.

for example, what good are dorian's advantages in balance and proportion in these comparisons of two mandatories below?

answer: NOTHING, for the reasons I listed above.

your argument is based on a flawed premise - that the slight advantage that dorian may have in balance/proportion (which is DEBATABLE because even nin 93 his arms are undersized for his frame - check any most muscular pose, lat spread etc) somehow overshadows the glaring differences in muscular shape, detail, dryness and vascularity.

it doesn't.

never has. never will.

the rest of your post is equally stupid.

eg. you are saying that despite the 99 side chest shots owning anything dorian ever presented, that his side chest MUST be better because Ronnie said so?

are you stupid and cannot see?

it amazes me how stupid you can be. it really does.

eg. has anyone ever DISagreed with you that dorian has better calves. hell no. so what the FUCK are you talking about??

you really are dumb. sorry. but I really hope you don't act like this at McDonalds. you might be stuck there for life. $:-\$

Hulkster · « **Reply #159 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:00:09 PM »

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Ronnie said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen , you're arguing with him? see a pattern here? this makes you incorrect

umm..hello?

tons of people including your fucking hero Peter McGough say Ronnie has the greatest back EVER.

OVER DORIAN.

its not just me you blithering idiot..

serious question:

are you on something?

Hulkster · « **Reply #160 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:02:28 PM »

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Ronnie said his best Olympia apperance was 1998 because his conditioning was spot on and this is verified by Peter McGough , again how is this proving me wrong? its NOT

I don't have to prove you wrong.

the video and pic evidence proves you wrong quite nicely, idiot.

and Ronnie stated in 99 that he was in better shape than 98.

check the legs if you still feel you are correct.

Ronnie was visibly just as hard if not harder in 99.

and his quads were way more cut. as verified by Lonnie Teper and..Real fucking life..

Matt C · « **Reply #161 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:02:59 PM »

ND is an atheist but I'm not sure if he is a rationalist. He understands that religious people will justify their own inconsistent point of views just to come to terms with them in their own minds, yet seems to do it himself regarding bodybuilding.

He can't simply state that he prefers the physiques of Arnold, Frank Zane, and Dorian. Instead he takes these apples and oranges and tries to explain how, objectively, they are superior to a whole array of other bodybuilders, yet the individual qualities of these bodybuilders are all over the map: Arnold is superior due to his "balance" which consists of small but separated quads, Dorian is superior because he has a wide structure and incredible back detail, and Frank Zane - I'm not even sure how ND includes him in this list.

Yet what is obvious is that there is no consistency in these standards. Dorian and Arnold have drastically different physiques yet he compares them as if they can be compared in any direct manner.

I prefer the physiques of Bob Paris and Milos over the physiques of Ronnie or Victor Martinez but that does not mean I would have the audacity to try to justify why they should beat either of the two in contest, since objectively, they would not have the qualities to beat Ronnie or Victor.

I just wish ND would state his preferences without trying to justify why those preferences should win on a bodybuilding stage against superior bodybuilders. It just makes him sound silly.

Hulkster · « **Reply #162 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:07:25 PM »

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It just makes him sound silly.

he sounds silly because he makes no fucking sense. see his last post.

the man is a complete and total idiot.

plain and simple.

he will ALWAYS look silly as a result.

he has no consistencies becaues he has no idea how to evaluate a physique or, how to prove a position in a debate.

he has no clue.

he thinks if he can find one quote agree with his 'opinion' that it MUST be true NO MATTER WHAT ELSE IS SHOWN.

which, in this sport is completely stupid.

eg. If I were to find a quote by an eyewitness (say a pro like Dexter) saying that Porter Cotrell has better arms than Ronnie Coleman, would that automatically make it true?

according to ND, yes it would. after all, who am I to argue with Dexter?

it doesn't matter what real life shows, dexter MUST be right..

you can clearly see the ridiculousness of ND's 'proofs' to his arguments in this simple example.

the man seriously needs to learn bodybuilding, and to learn how to defend a position properly.

$:-\$

bizzy · « **Reply #163 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:20:18 PM »

Some comparisons for fun...
Most are from Sergio 1972 which I think
most consider to be his best overall condition.
1. Most Muscular

bizzy · « **Reply #164 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:23:14 PM »

Side Chest...

bizzy · « **Reply #165 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:26:17 PM »

Front Lat Spread

IceCold · « **Reply #166 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:28:13 PM »

holy shit is ronnie getting dwarfed and owned.

bizzy · « **Reply #167 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:29:20 PM »

Rear Lat Spread...

bizzy · « **Reply #168 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:32:07 PM »

Semi Relaxed...

IceCold · « **Reply #169 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:33:50 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on November 14, 2007, 08:00:09 PM

umm..hello?

tons of people including your fucking hero Peter McGough say Ronnie has the greatest back EVER.

OVER DORIAN.

its not just me you blithering idiot..

serious question:

are you on something?

not only are you the biggest guy on this board, but also the biggest hypocrite.

you have constantly ridiculed mcgough and have even stated that you know more than him when it comes to bbing.

now, all of a sudden, when his words match YOUR opinion, your praise and quotes of pete is endless.

well, what about ronnie's words.

ronnie's says various things about yates, but yet, you refuse to accept it.

one of the greatest bbers of all time has words that you dont recognize or acknowledge?

from FLEX, july 2003:

ronnie coleman, big picture:

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

as i previously mentioned, i pretty much do own you in virtually every post you make.

bizzy · « **Reply #170 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:34:43 PM »

Side Triceps...

IceCold · « **Reply #171 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:36:48 PM »

why is ronnie two different colors in the above pics of that rear and semi relaxed from lat spreads?

arent those pics from the same contest?

very strange......

(even if they are from 2 different media sources, ronnie should be the same color. notice the various color shots of sergio from different media sources - his skin is the same color in all of them.)

bizzy · « **Reply #172 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:39:00 PM »

Front double bicep...

IceCold · « **Reply #173 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:39:47 PM »

i've always liked the long biceps look that sergio had.

Matt C · « **Reply #174 on:** November 14, 2007, 08:46:21 PM »

Hulkster, I actually think ND is intelligent in a number of ways, I just don't think that he is applying it in his argumentation on here because he isn't even aware of his own bias which are obvious based on the inconsistencies of his bodybuilding heroes. Say what you will about our point of view, we are at least consistent in our argumentation.