Author Topic: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401K (2007 to 2022)  (Read 460377 times)

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2425 on: November 05, 2010, 02:27:06 PM »
Too late.  ;D

4 dollars away from $1400.

We are really in crazy times.  Why even read economic stuff anymore/  its like the twilight zone. 

Bindare_Dundat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12227
  • KILL CENTRAL BANKS, BUY BITCOIN.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2426 on: November 05, 2010, 02:30:57 PM »
We are really in crazy times.  Why even read economic stuff anymore/  its like the twilight zone.  

Its still not too late but its getting there. Buy some silver.



Gold continues its push to $1,400. The catalyst: Goldman's David Greely has just released a report on gold saying that: "we expect that gold prices will continue to rise over the next 12 months to our $1650/toz target as US monetary policy remains accommodative and US real interest rates remain low. Further, the Federal Reserve’s return to quantitative easing and the movement of gold prices to these new record highs could spark renewed investor demand for gold, which has been remarkably subdued in recent months. This represents upside risk to both our forecasts and to gold prices." As Goldman's last call on gold marked a temporary peak in the appreciation, as we expected, this time the top ticking effect will likely be lost. We believe that $1,400 gold to be breached as soon as today.





 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2427 on: November 06, 2010, 05:30:59 AM »

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2428 on: November 08, 2010, 04:55:50 AM »

German Finance Minister Blasts Geithner And Warns: "The US Has Lived On Borrowed Money For Too Long"
Joe Weisenthal | Nov. 8, 2010, 6:46 AM | 446 |  9
A A A   
x Email ArticleFrom  To    Email Sent!You have successfully emailed the post.


________________________ ________________________ ________________________ _______


Wolfgang Schauble -- the German Finance Minister who made headlines last week blasting QE2 -- takes on Tim Geithner and the currency-war debate in an excellent, in-depth interview in Der Spiegel.

In particular, he takes on the idea pushed by Tim Geithner, that the world's major exporters have some sort of obligation to limit their current account surpluses via the currency market.

Naturally Schauble rejects this view:

SPIEGEL: But the German economy benefits from the fact that German industry has focused primarily on foreign markets and wages have hardly gone up in years. The Americans see this as unfair.

Schäuble: The German export successes are not the result of some sort of currency manipulation, but of the increased competitiveness of companies. The American growth model, on the other hand, is in a deep crisis. The United States lived on borrowed money for too long, inflating its financial sector unnecessarily and neglecting its small and mid-sized industrial companies. There are many reasons for America's problems, but they don't include German export surpluses.

SPIEGEL: The US government sees it differently. It wants to see German exports to the United States curtailed in the future once they reach a certain threshold. Will you give in to the pressure?

Schäuble: The proposal is not acceptable for Germany under any circumstances. If we were to introduce such measures, we would be restricting international competition. But for years we, together with the Americans, have believed that world trade needs to be opened up further. We should stick to that approach and, for example, press ahead with the Doha round to promote world trade. This would stimulate global growth far more effectively than a bilateral agreement on quotas.

Read the whole thing >

Tags: Wolfgang Schauble, Germany, Manufacturing, Currency War | Get Alerts for these topics »

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wolfgang-schauble-the-us-has-lived-on-borrowed-money-for-too-long-2010-11#ixzz14hAAsl6l

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2429 on: November 08, 2010, 06:11:47 PM »
Can we get some moderation in this thread? Since when are pyramid schemes allowed on this board?

Just notice there's a 30% spread on the bullion Jaguars company sells..

Buy 37.00

Sell 29.50  

Market makers always get paid..

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2430 on: November 08, 2010, 06:58:08 PM »
Someone need to block jag from peddling her snake oil on this thread. 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2431 on: November 08, 2010, 07:14:29 PM »
If Gold goes to 5k, Dear God, we are so screwed in other areas. 

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2432 on: November 08, 2010, 07:18:48 PM »
If Gold goes to 5k, Dear God, we are so screwed in other areas. 

Zimbabwean style hyperinflation wouldn't be to cool.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2433 on: November 08, 2010, 07:22:41 PM »
Zimbabwean style hyperinflation wouldn't be to cool.

Gasoline and oil is skyrocketing at the worst time. 

At least beer so far has not gotten more expensive.   ;D

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2434 on: November 08, 2010, 07:26:50 PM »
Gasoline and oil is skyrocketing at the worst time.  

At least beer so far has not gotten more expensive.   ;D

Shit is crazy..Prices are increasing so fast. However, these bogus economic indicators say otherwise.  Just heard from another friend that she's getting close to a 30% increase in Health Insurance premiums..

Bindare_Dundat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12227
  • KILL CENTRAL BANKS, BUY BITCOIN.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2435 on: November 08, 2010, 07:39:53 PM »
This list came from another thread : http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=214118&page=281

it seems the cuts just keep coming despite the reccesion being over.



Jobless claims estimate 433K. Actual 457K. Going the wrong way.

MGM Studio Files for Bankruptcy,

Rangle and Waters now have to face the corruption hearings they have been stalling until after the elections.

BO to spend 200M a day in India that will not create jobs here.

Ben will spend up to 1 T that will not create jobs here but enrich the bankers more.

A first priority might be to establish a budget for this fiscal year. They didn't deem it worthy to do before the election.

Here is just one day job cut potential.

"NJ Gov. Says - 1,200 Layoffs in January

Several Chicago Firms - Total 1,000+ by Year end

Kohler Co - 750

Saint Clare’s Health System NJ - 100+

Biogen Idec Inc - 650

STX Finland ( International ) - up to 350

Town of New Windsor - 5 or 6 Possible

Update: Sitel - Plans on 300 Job Cuts

Saint Barnabas Health Care System - 690

Jack Cooper Transport Co. Inc - 195


"Cincinnati police officials have proposed laying off 144 officers and demoting 160 others to save more than $10 million next year."

"Genzyme starts 1st phase of job cuts by eliminating 392 positions, seeks to cut total of 1,000"
MA.

"Hilton trimming 101 positions in Memphis "

"Some 171 United Space Alliance workers at Kennedy Space Center will receive layoff notices by today. Their last day will be Jan. 7."  

"Clear Wire The Kirkland, Washington-based company has 4,200 employees, putting the cuts at about 630 jobs."




Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2436 on: November 08, 2010, 07:56:17 PM »
Shit is crazy..Prices are increasing so fast. However, these bogus economic indicators say otherwise.  Just heard from another friend that she's getting close to a 30% increase in Health Insurance premiums..

mine is up dramatically too

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2437 on: November 08, 2010, 08:02:21 PM »
mine is up dramatically too

Seems like everyone that i know who has insurance is going to get hit hard. I thought Healthcare costs were going to go down.. :-\

This has to be reason enough to impeach a president...

Bindare_Dundat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12227
  • KILL CENTRAL BANKS, BUY BITCOIN.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2438 on: November 08, 2010, 09:15:51 PM »
Whats been interesting lately is just how much more the msm is talking about the Fed and how it's actions effect the cost of everyday items.


Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2439 on: November 09, 2010, 05:24:13 AM »
What people don't really understand is that the fiscal recklessness of the govt is driving the monetary policy for the need to keep printing money like this. 

You can't run 1.5 Trillion dollar deficits like this and keep piling on and on and on on and without completely destroying the currency. 

And whats worse is that Obama/Ben/Timmy/ etc etc want even more of this craziness! 


Bindare_Dundat

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12227
  • KILL CENTRAL BANKS, BUY BITCOIN.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2440 on: November 09, 2010, 05:46:17 AM »
Gold just hit $1418/oz.    ;D

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2441 on: November 09, 2010, 05:51:34 AM »
Gold just hit $1418/oz.    ;D


Ther worst part is that oil prices are skyrocketing just as we are heading into winter. 

This govt anfd the FED are literally stealing from people and yet TEAM KNEEPAD applauds this and trashes Palin for speaking out on this, even when it was demonstrated that the wsj reporter was dead wrong on this. 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2442 on: November 09, 2010, 06:13:39 AM »

November 09, 2010
Bernanke's Cowardice Has Sealed Our Fate
By Monty Pelerin


________________________ ______________________



The day after the election, the Federal Reserve launched QE2, the second round of Quantitative Easing. This public relations euphemism attempts to hide the fact that the Fed is "printing money" (the Fed actually does it electronically these days). "Cheating, debasing and inflating," as in stealing from the public, is a more accurate description.


Bernanke indicated from 600 to 850 billion additional dollars would be created. To put this in perspective, the Tarp package was in this range. The total Federal Reserve balance sheet was $829 billion at the end of 2004 and only $869 billion in August 2007. At the end of 2009 it had ballooned to over $2,200 billion. This announcement means it is headed to $3,000 billion (3 trillion).


Ben Bernanke weakly defended his action with the following justifications:


... further support to the economy is needed
Easier financial conditions will promote economic growth.
higher stock prices will boost consumer wealth and help increase confidence, which can also spur spending.
The first two statements are true as stated, but unlikely to be affected by additional QE. The third is partially true, although it is unclear that his action will raise stock prices. Furthermore, empirical data is not supportive of the alleged relationship between stock prices and spending (see the Kass reference below).


Many economists and analysts believe that the Fed actions will not help. Several believe they will actually make conditions worse (two examples are Doug Kass and Pimco's El Erian).


The Real Reason for QE2


Mr. Bernanke's justification for committing nearly another trillion dollars does not meet the "smell" test. In prior life, Professor Bernanke would flunk an Econ 101 student for such weak justification (of course we know no one really gets an F at Princeton, no matter how deserved). 


Mr. Bernanke's performance was a charade meant to hide the fact that the government is now illiquid! Mr. Bernanke instituted QE2 because the Federal Government has reached the point where it cannot pay its bills.


If the Fed does not buy government bonds (print money), checks will stop for programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements, military pay, etc.


The Madoff Model of government just ended. There are no longer enough bond buyers or taxpayers to pay for the profligate spending of the US government.


For more than a decade, responsible economists and analysts warned how this situation had to end. That point has apparently just been reached as a result of some of these reasons:


We are increasingly viewed overseas as a profligate, fiscally irresponsible country with no willingness to change.
Our debt levels have become dangerously high, raising the probability of sovereign default.
Our annual deficit is 3 to 4 times larger than ever before and looks like there is no political will to address it. Interest rates are too low to compensate for the perceived risk.
Foreign countries that supported us are now either unwilling or unable to purchase our debt.
Solving Insolvency


The root cause of the liquidity problem is insolvency. Insolvency is a condition where eventually obligations cannot be met. Illiquidity then results. QE2 provides liquidity, but does nothing to solve the insolvency issue.


Unless the insolvency problem is solved, illiquidity will continue. From a mathematical standpoint, it is possible to solve the insolvency problem. From a practical or political standpoint, it is likely impossible. 


Our funded Federal Debt is almost 100% of GDP. Our unfunded social obligations are about another $100 trillion. The total net worth of the country is about $55 trillion. Government has promised benefits that are twice what everything in the country is worth. To understand the math, see Spiraling to Bankruptcy. 


Laurence Kotlikoff  referred to a recent International Monetary Fund assessment of the US financial condition:


... the IMF has effectively pronounced the U.S. bankrupt. Section 6 of the July 2010 Selected Issues Paper says: "The U.S. fiscal gap associated with today's federal fiscal policy is huge for plausible discount rates." It adds that "closing the fiscal gap requires a permanent annual fiscal adjustment equal to about 14 percent of U.S. GDP."


The government would have to double every tax it collects (including payroll taxes) to run 5% surpluses for decades in order to bring government obligations into manageable range.  Such tax increases would plunge the US and probably the world into an economic Dark Ages.


Alternatively, current government spending could be cut by about 50%. Managing spending forward so that a 5% surplus was maintained would also work.


Bernanke's Morton's Fork


Mr. Bernanke was faced with two choices, neither of which were good.  He could have refused to initiate another round of QE, which would have forced the government to make tough decisions. Such action might have put the economy into another Great Depression. He likely would have lost his job and been blamed for any economic difficulties that followed.


He chose the other option -- provide the needed funds. As such, he chose to be the Enabler-in-Chief, reinforcing the out-of-control government fiscal policies. This choice likely enabled him to keep his job (for the time being) and made him appear to be the White Knight responsive to economic needs.


Unfortunately for the country, his choice makes matters worse, much worse.


The Road Ahead


With QE2, the government will be able to pay its bills. If the shortfall were temporary, Bernanke's actions might be considered prudent. Of course if the shortfall were temporary, the government would be able to borrow in the marketplace.


Without a solution to spending excesses and social commitments that cannot be met, there is no end to our shortfalls. Welcome to QE2, soon to be followed by QE3, QE4 ... and hyperinflation.


QE2 is just another step toward "banana republic" status. We are on the same road travelled by Argentina, Brazil, Zimbabwe, Weimar Germany and many others who destroyed their currencies.


These countries did not intend that result. Each step was justified based on the expediency of keeping the government going. As Hayek pointed out:


I do not think it is an exaggeration to say history is largely a history of inflation, usually inflations engineered by governments for the gain of governments.


In every case, including our own, the government had already failed. Its attempt to survive made matters much worse for its citizens.


QE2 may only represent the first step, but its effects alone are apt to be profound. Pimco's Bill Gross anticipates it will produce a 20% decline in the value of the dollar. If you were China or Japan, would you want to buy Treasury Bonds? Would you continue to hold dollar-denominated assets? These types of considerations trigger currency runs.


Mr. Bernanke has deferred the day of reckoning. His action will not prevent government collapse, it will ensure it, along with collapses in the currency, economy and likely society itself. This little man, unelected and accountable to no one, has just sentenced the country to an Economic Apocalypse.


Milton Friedman's concern seems especially appropriate:


The power to determine the quantity of money... is too important, too pervasive, to be exercised by a few people, however public-spirited, if there is any feasible alternative. There is no need for such arbitrary power... Any system which gives so much power and so much discretion to a few men, [so] that mistakes - excusable or not - can have such far reaching effects, is a bad system. It is a bad system to believers in freedom just because it gives a few men such power without any effective check by the body politic - this is the key political argument against an independent central bank.


How Will This End?


There is no pleasant ending. Political activity over the past fifty years guaranteed that. As Ludwig von Mises observed:


Credit expansion can bring about a temporary boom. But such a fictitious prosperity must end in a general depression of trade, a slump.         


The best solution is for Mr. Bernanke to cease and desist from his QE policy. That would require the political class to face up to its problems. It would require a massive roll-back of the welfare state and government. It would require resizing government to a level that productive citizens would support. Transitional hardships would occur, including civil unrest and possibly a Depression.


The worst solution is the one that Mr. Bernanke has selected. If he stays on this course, fiat money will become worthless. So will Social Security checks, because they will have no purchasing power. All fixed income and savings will be wiped out. The middle class will be financially destroyed.


Markets will cease to function except on a barter system. Food and other necessities will be in short supply, possibly to the extent of health risks developing. Unimaginable civil unrest is likely.


A Greater Depression is assured. Unlike the first Great Depression, citizens would be without any financial wherewithal. Their savings and fixed income will have been stolen from them via hyperinflation. In short, it would be the worst Economic Hell imaginable.


Mr. Bernanke was unwilling to tell you what is happening. His action has moved us into the eye of a massive storm. Do not be lulled into complacency for as von Mises stated:


A fiat-money inflation can be carried on only as long as the masses do not become aware of the fact that the government is committed to such a policy.


Now you know and others will pick up on this quickly. Make like the political elite and protect yourselves from the Level Six economic hurricane that Mr. Bernanke is stoking.

The history of government management of money has, except for a few short happy periods, been one of incessant fraud and deception. Friedrich Hayek


Monty Pelerin blogs at www.economicnoise

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/bernankes_cowardice_has_sealed.html

 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2443 on: November 09, 2010, 06:35:26 AM »



Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2444 on: November 09, 2010, 06:55:26 AM »

Fed Pushes U.S. Economy Into An Inflationary Death Spiral
The Market Oracle ^ | 11-9-2010 | Michael Pento


Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:59:24 AM by blam

Fed Pushes U.S. Economy Into An Inflationary Death Spiral

Economics / Inflation
Nov 09, 2010 - 03:42 AM
By: Michael Pento


________________________ ________________________ ________


It seems the Fed has given up on the idea that the country can build a viable and stable economy through the conventional means. Instead, our central bank has resorted to once again growing GDP and increasing employment by the creation of asset bubbles. This is a dangerous game that no one, least of all the Fed, knows how to play.

We learned this past Wednesday that the FOMC decided to increase its purchases of longer-dated Treasuries by $600 billion within the next eight months. That means the Fed is on course to fund about 75% of our annual deficit! Such figures are the stock in trade of banana republics. While most of the rest of the world is fighting inflation and strengthening their currencies, we are doing everything in our power to end the dollar's status as the world's reserve.

Canada, China, India, Brazil, and Australia have all recently taken steps to raise interest rates and/or curtail bank lending. Compare that to the US, which has left interest rates at near-zero for almost two years. While other central bankers are tamping down expansionary rhetoric, Fed Chairman Bernanke is on record saying that he will do everything in his power to push up inflation (which he considers too low) and dilute the dollar. Foreign central banks and other investors may soon reconsider their plans to park cash in dollar-denominated assets. In fact, there has been a series of angry statements from top economic policymakers in Beijing, Berlin, Moscow, and Sao Paolo that show rising discontent with Washington.

The Fed rationalized its decision to upset the global monetary order in a November 4th op-ed by Chairman Bernanke entitled, "What the Fed did and why." Here's an excerpt:

"Although asset purchases are relatively unfamiliar as a tool of monetary policy, some concerns about this approach are overstated. Critics have, for example, worried that it will lead to excessive increases in the money supply and ultimately to significant increases in inflation. Our earlier use of this policy approach had little effect on the amount of currency in circulation or on other broad measures of the money supply, such as bank deposits. Nor did it result in higher inflation. We have made all necessary preparations, and we are confident that we have the tools to unwind these policies at the appropriate time. The Fed is committed to both parts of its dual mandate and will take all measures necessary to keep inflation low and stable."

But the facts contradict Bernanke's claims that monetary policy has not pushed up inflation. The Fed began the current round of accommodation in September of 2007 with a 50 basis point reduction in the Fed funds rate. At that time, the M2 money stock was $7.40 trillion. It has since jumped 18.5% to $8.77 billion. This increase is showing up in the form of higher prices.

The 19 commodities that make up the CRB Index have soared 55% since the beginning of 2009. Unless the Chairman desires to return to an environment where oil is trading at $147 a barrel, these surging commodity prices are already placing consumers and corporations under inflationary duress.

Here's where the danger lies ahead. Before the recession began in 2007, the ratio between M2 and the monetary base was about 10:1. If the Fed sticks to its announced schedule, the size of the base should grow from $1.96 trillion to about $2.6 trillion by June of 2011. Once banks start lending again and expanding base money through the fractional reserve system, M2 could increase exponentially. An increase in the money supply to $26 trillion (in line with the historic 10-to-1 ratio) would result in a major inflationary shock. However, even if the money multiplier were to remain much lower, the M2 money stock would still be much higher than today. In fact, the compounded annual increase of M2 in the last 4 weeks is currently over 9%.

Unless Bernanke has a "road to Damascus" moment, the money supply will continue to grow and inflation will accelerate over the course of the next few years. To make matters much worse, the interest expense on the nation's debt could reach over 40% of all revenue by the year 2015.

Faced with negative real interest rates, rapidly rising inflation, and a chronically weak dollar, foreign holders of US Treasury debt and other dollar-denominated holdings may begin to lose their nerve. They may start to repatriate their savings and thereby send Treasury yields soaring. The Fed - which is the Treasury's buyer of last resort - will then be faced with a perilous decision. The central bank will have to either join foreign sellers of US debt in sending interest rates higher (in the hopes of giving the dollar some footing and allowing high rates to encourage the return of real buyers) or ramp up the printing presses to keep the long end of the yield curve from spiking. It should be obvious that the Fed has already made that decision. They will never allow rates to rise. The debt will be monetized.

I have no doubt that Bernanke will be remarkably successful in his stated goal of driving inflation higher. I simply disagree with his nonchalance about the long-term consequences. There is currently no easy exit strategy for the Fed. There is only the prospect of Americans suffering through either a deflationary depression or hyperinflation. To survive such storm requires careful planning. If only we could convince the big chief to stop doing his rain dance...


Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2445 on: November 09, 2010, 09:14:25 AM »
Chinese Credit Rater Downgrades U.S.
Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday November 9, 2010 | Matt Phillips


________________________ ________________________ ____________________


Dagong Global Credit Rating Co., the Chinese rating company that was recently rejected in its bid to be an officially recognized bond rater in the U.S., just downgraded the entire U.S. The always objective Xinhua has the “scoop.”



The United States has lost its double-A credit rating with Dagong Global Credit Rating Co., Ltd., the first domestic rating agency in China, due to its new round of quantitative easing policy.


(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...

Emmortal

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5660
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2446 on: November 09, 2010, 11:47:03 AM »
Isn't the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

Pumping more money into the system isn't going to solve anything.

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2447 on: November 10, 2010, 07:59:37 AM »
returning to the pre Nixon 'gold standard' is not likely to happen.

US monetary system would collapse imo.

-NT

My thoughts exactly..




Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39423
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2448 on: November 10, 2010, 08:54:17 AM »
New Zillow Report Warns Of "Unprecedented Decline" In Home Values And No Stabilization In Q3
Business Insider ^ | 11/10/2010 | Gus Lubin


________________________ ________________________ _____


Zillow just released a devastating third quarter housing report. Basically every major indicator is crashing:

* The decline in home values accelerated in September, dropping 0.4% month-over-month

* Foreclosures reached an all-time high

* A record 23.2% of mortgages are now underwater

The double dip -- already a rare phenomenon -- is now entering an unprecedented free-fall. Zillow economist Stan Humphries says prices won't hit bottom until next summer at the earliest, as foreclosure activity grows.

Humphries warns: “While not unexpected, the unceasing declines in home values signal that we’re in for a long, bleak winter of continued troubles for the housing market. The length and depth of the current housing recession is rivaling the Great Depression’s real estate downturn, and, with encouraging signs fading, will easily eclipse it in the coming months."


(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...

Emmortal

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5660
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #2449 on: November 10, 2010, 11:56:23 AM »
Good to hear, maybe I'll pick up a second house next summer =)  On a serious note though, housing prices are still overinfalted, so hopefully we'll see a return to what they should be value at, or at least closer to it.