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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2007, 02:42:38 PM »

Please see my branches off a tree comment.  And even if they shut down US operations, they would simply open shop under another name. 

In all honesty, it will never happen


He who has the money wields the power

Oh, the IFBB would just open up shop next year with a new name and dodge all the IRS fire it got?  You're so stupid it's hilarious.  My only solace for the irritation you've caused is that you'll spend your life as an ignorant, poor liar while most of the rest of us will see success.
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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2007, 02:52:33 PM »
What are you talking about?
exactly  :-[

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2007, 03:52:41 PM »
Manion and Chang are trying to clean up this organisation!  They dealt swiftly in ending the career of the 'filthy-mouthed-munchkin'; and must be applauded for this...Who is next on their list?

We need strong and decisive leadership!  The industry will continue to hemorrhage without likes of Manion and Chang. Yes, men who are willing to 'stand strong' on those Pros who are 'hell bent' on bad-mouthing this so-called sport!

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2007, 04:05:10 PM »
I think a motion should be put forth by the pros that Bob suposedly represents that he step down due to "conflict of interest"

Ps. And beleive me...most IFBB pro judges know a thing or two about cheating on your wife.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2007, 07:42:05 PM »
Chick, I am not going to mindlessly bash you like a lot of the other guys on here...I like you and think u are good for bodybuilding...I also like your physique and admire your prowess at promoting yourself and making money unlike a lot of the other BB'ers...But Bob, I think you should not be the athlete's rep because you are too intertwined with the powers that be...you say BB'ers don't have to sign up to join the IFBB but for all intents and purposes, the IFBB is a monopoly...the BB'ers have no choice but to sign up if they want to have ANY hope of making money...because of your high profile and because you are one of the few who can make a very nice living from bodybuilding, you have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are...the IFBB wants these guys to be members yet they are basically treated as freelancers...does the IFBB deduct taxes, social security,workmans comp, etc, from their prizewinnings?...Lee Priest is a self-promoter (just like you are) but I think he has the right to compete in any organization he wants to...just as you should have the same right...you use the example of Ron being able to set forth rules and ban members if they don't adhere to the rules, but GetBig is not a monopoly...banned members can go to other boards and post there...the IFBB won't let bodybuilders do that since they are the only game in town and they know it...you still haven't said why BB'ers competing with other organizations is a bad thing...there simply isn't enough contests or prize money to go around to the BB'ers so that they can make a good living...just give us three good reasons as to why IFBB membership is so vital for BB'ers?..how does it benefit the bodybuilders?...some guys joke on here that the IFBB is a cult...obedience or else...they kinda have a point.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2007, 07:45:21 PM »
Also I wonder if the IFBB could withstand their practices being exposed to congress?...

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2007, 10:05:50 PM »
Also I wonder if the IFBB could withstand their practices being exposed to congress?...

Well said.  Manion is getting a lesson in anti-trust laws that he missed out in law school playing hooky or going to the gym during classes. 

The Attorney General should also take a closer look into dismantling the IFBB's monopoly for the good of all pro bodybuilders.

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« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2007, 07:12:32 AM »
Well said.  Manion is getting a lesson in anti-trust laws that he missed out in law school playing hooky or going to the gym during classes. 

The Attorney General should also take a closer look into dismantling the IFBB's monopoly for the good of all pro bodybuilders.

Not gonna happen.  Use your time doing something that might go somewhere.  Maybe take up needle point.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2007, 09:13:26 AM »
Oh yeah?  They've dismantled monopolies much bigger than IFBB, like AT&T for instance.

Some people have asked me why a monopoly is so bad. Here's Economics 101.

Simple, a monopoly is widely recognized as a fraud on the consumer (pros in the case of IFBB) and is considered anathema to a free market economy.

In a monopoly, prices are ALWAYS higher and service is ALWAYS poorer and the consumer is always the victim.  The moment a monopoly is dismantled and free competition is allowed, prices ALWAYS fall and service ALWAYS improves.

That explains why the USA has anti-trust laws and the EU has "Anti-competition" laws.  To prevent a monopoly from ever rising!

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2007, 09:24:41 AM »
The IFBB is a NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mindboggling that a non-profit org would financially penalize others for trying to make a living.


Just blows the mind. 



Exactly. I can't believe people are even arguing this..... :-\
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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2007, 11:23:21 AM »
Manion alluded to this in the PBW interview.  The AAU was dismantled for monopolistic practices and the complainant was the IFBB.  LOL. 

Ironical isn't it.  The complainant on the monopolistic practices of the AAU is now doing exactly the same!

So those of you who think it can't happen, think again.  All it takes is a letter of complaint to the Attorney General from an IFBB Pro who feels aggrieved (Lee Priest perhaps) and a file is opened. 

Uncle Bill Gates found out that his monopolistic dreams were not so water-tight after all, and promptly dropped them, after spending a small fortune fighting the anti-trust action by the AG.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #111 on: November 17, 2007, 12:00:07 PM »
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE

SOUTHERN DIVISION

THE AMATUER ATHLETIC UNION OF THE UNITED STATE, INC., JAMES LOWE, LEE BURNS AND JERRY BURNS,

PLAINTIFFS

VS.

THE NATIONAL PHYSIQUE COMMITEE OF THE U.S.A., INC., THE SOUTHESATERN ASSOCIATION OF THE NATIONAL PYSIQUES COMMITTEE FO THE U.S.A., INC., THE SOUTHEASTERN PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE, THE TENNESSEE BOARD OF ADVISORS OF THE SOUTHEASTERN PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE, MIKE KIZER AND JAMES MANION

DEFENDANTS

CIVIL ACTION NO. 1-82-83

STIPUATION AND ORDER

IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between the undersigned attorneys for the parties that,

WHEREAS, the plaintiffs have commenced this action against the defendants charging the defendants with violations of various federal anti-trust statues, and

WHEREAS, the defendants have counter-claimed against the plaintiffs charging the plaintiffs with violations of various anti-trust statues and seeking relief on other grounds, and

WHEREAS, the Court entered and signed its order and preliminary injunction of June 3, 1982,

NOW, THEREFORE, it is agree as follows:

1. The defendants, including the National Physique Committee of the U.S.A., Inc., The Southeastern Association of the National Physique Committee of the U.S.A, Inc., The Southeastern Physique Committee, the Tennessee Board of Advisors of the Southeastern Physique Committee, Mike Kizer and James Manion agree to continue their state policy of not imposing any sanctions upon or otherwise penalizing or punishing or threatening to impose any sanctions upon (or otherwise penalizing or interfering in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest sanctioned by the Amateur Athletic Union of the United States, Inc., ("The AAU"),) whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, a sponsor, or otherwise and will not condone, ratify, facilitate or permit such actions by any member or affiliate of the NPC for so long as the defendants (other than the NPC) remain as members or affiliates of the NPC. The defendants will take all steps reasonably necessary to remedy any violation of their stated policy as set forth above, which violation comes to their attention.

2. Defendants further agree to email a copy of this stipulation and order to the NPC's Board of Governors and an officer of the NPC shall certify that such mailing has been accomplished within (30) days of this stipulation and order.

3. The AAU agrees to maintain its stated policy of not enforcing Section 454.10(a) of its 1982 Official code.

4. All claims for relief contained in the complaint and answer and counter-claim are withdrawn with prejudice and without cost to any party against another.

5. The preliminary injunction previously entered and signed on June 3, 1982, is hereby dissolved and the bond posted by the plaintiffs in connection with that order and the preliminary injunction is hereby exonerated.

6. This stipulation shall not be deemed an adjudication of liability against or an admission of liability by any party.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2007, 03:22:26 AM »
Manion alluded to this in the PBW interview.  The AAU was dismantled for monopolistic practices and the complainant was the IFBB.  LOL. 

Ironical isn't it.  The complainant on the monopolistic practices of the AAU is now doing exactly the same!

So those of you who think it can't happen, think again.  All it takes is a letter of complaint to the Attorney General from an IFBB Pro who feels aggrieved (Lee Priest perhaps) and a file is opened. 

Uncle Bill Gates found out that his monopolistic dreams were not so water-tight after all, and promptly dropped them, after spending a small fortune fighting the anti-trust action by the AG.

...and to think, all it takes is a pair of testicles. someone with the balls to call the fuckers out.

over to you lee.

have you got a pair or are you just piss and wind?

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2007, 04:28:29 AM »
All the IFBB Pros who've been blackballed/screwed by the IFBB should get together to file a joint complaint with the Attorney General's Office.

There're no legal costs involved as this is not a class action suit, just a complaint to the AG.  If the AG takes up the case, it is the AG who will file the court action against the IFBB to dismantle its monopolistic practices and perhaps even require the IFBB to pay compensation to the aggrieved parties such as the IFBB Pros who'd been blackballed/screwed by the IFBB and even Wayne de Melia's PDI (if the PDI initiates the filing or joins the complaint)

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2007, 03:19:17 PM »
Have sent an email to Wayne deMelia to alert him and apprise him of his rights in this matter.  The PDI has consistently been blackballed by the IFBB and should be an interested party in this issue.

I'm sure we're not hearing the last of this.  The AG should be getting an interesting letter soon.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #115 on: November 19, 2007, 04:34:24 AM »
How many of you say that Wayne deMelia of PDI would be filing a complaint against the monopolistic practices of the IFBB to the Attorney General?

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #116 on: November 19, 2007, 05:37:06 AM »
One has nothing to do with the other.....

It is what it is...no one is forced into it, and by and large, there have been many who have benefitted greatly and been able to make a living from pro BB...all by way of being a member in the IFBB. In case you havent noticed...there have been many other federations around for many years, none of which have ever offered anything remotely close to the opportunities the IFBB has.

I do all I can to make it more profitable and fair to the athletes....while I am pleased with the progress that's been made, I'm still working on behalf of the athletes to make it even better.

Bob- could you define "many" for us please?
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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2007, 05:49:23 AM »
How many of you say that Wayne deMelia of PDI would be filing a complaint against the monopolistic practices of the IFBB to the Attorney General?

demilla was in pretty bad shape recently. don't know if he wants to get into another battle with the ifbb which, in turn, might just kill any prospect of doing business with them or associates (anything and everything to do with making money from bbing). vince mcmahon backed away very quickly when he realized how much power the ifbb had (don't think bbing contests, think billion dollar supplement industry, influence on members of parliament and how quickly your business will disintegrate if you fuck with that.

if demilla is truly is finished with the industry, he should take them on. the guy was head honcho there for a long time and he could be a very real pain in the ass if he so desired.

however, i don't think it's in his nature. he didn't get as far as he did with the org by treading on toes. demilla is a company man like Chick. the ONLY reason he decided to go alone is because he thought everyone would go with him and stay with him. i have no idea what's wrong with him health wise, but that right there makes me think he has a brain tumor.

bbers are about as fickle and non commital as it gets. by nature they are into appearances only. there is no actual substance to go along with their piss and wind (see priest, sarcev, mohammed, tamali, ray, titus, that black spanish guy milos had - name escapes me right now, etc etc etc) and as soon as pressure gets applied it dawns reeeeeal quick what matters most...themselves. ;)

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #118 on: November 19, 2007, 06:39:11 AM »
Wayne Demilia was just as corrupt and power hungry as the Weiders ever were.

Remember, this is the guy who oversaw the bans/fines against the former WBF'ers when they attempted to return to the IFBB... that whole scenario was shameful.


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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2007, 06:47:09 AM »
Wayne Demilia was just as corrupt and power hungry as the Weiders ever were.

Remember, this is the guy who oversaw the bans/fines against the former WBF'ers when they attempted to return to the IFBB... that whole scenario was shameful.


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precisely

despite paying fines of up to $30 grand (circa 1992?) NONE of them were competitive again. their careers just died after that.

manion is no different to demilla.

again, they don't get to that position by by being fair minded.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2007, 07:01:21 AM »
Aaron Baker anyone... dude was blackballed so badly that he basically had to beat everyone by a significant margin just to make the top three.

I was absolutely horrified to read that returning WBF'ers had been "allowed" to pay their exorbitant fines from their winnings... giving them the option of competing for no recompense; or placing in the money only to find they actually had competed for free... that's as near to slavery as makes no distance.


The IFBB is beyond redeeming.



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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2007, 07:47:56 AM »
Iv thought the same thing! Bob Chick defends the IFBB and Manion more than he does the Athletes.  As the athletes "REP" you should be going to WAR with the IFBB to get Lee to be able to compete on stage. Not having nice friendly conversations with Manion!! 

Bob you are a disgrace to the "athletes rep position" and your conversations with Manion and the letters you send are night and day.  Why dont you tell us all about the conversations you have where Manion Trashes lee on the phone with you and u stick to Manion's side, but then send a letter to make it look like you are doing your best to help him? 

Do us all a favor and resign from your position, you are doing nothing to pt the Athletes in a better position.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #122 on: November 19, 2007, 08:13:27 AM »
Iv thought the same thing! Bob Chick defends the IFBB and Manion more than he does the Athletes.  As the athletes "REP" you should be going to WAR with the IFBB to get Lee to be able to compete on stage. Not having nice friendly conversations with Manion!! 

Bob you are a disgrace to the "athletes rep position" and your conversations with Manion and the letters you send are night and day.  Why dont you tell us all about the conversations you have where Manion Trashes lee on the phone with you and u stick to Manion's side, but then send a letter to make it look like you are doing your best to help him? 

Do us all a favor and resign from your position, you are doing nothing to pt the Athletes in a better position.

I love you guys that make comments like you know what goes on...trust me....you don't.

In order to "go to war"...you need ammunition. Whats the basis of this war?

 Lets see, I have a guy that knowingly broke the rule, left on his own despite knowing the consequences, bad mouthed the federation, etc, then was offered a deal to return (at his request) , and refused it....

I HAVE done my best to help him....it's HIMSELF that I cant save him from, not the federation.

As for "doing nothing to put the athletes in a better position"......I suggest you check out my record of submnitting proposals and success rate in getting them passed....ALL of the changes have benefitted the athletes, both men and women.


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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #123 on: November 19, 2007, 09:14:15 AM »
demilla was in pretty bad shape recently. .... i have no idea what's wrong with him health wise, but that right there makes me think he has a brain tumor.

it's no secret that he has prostate cancer.

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Re: Manion Says Disloyalty to the IFBB is Like Cheating on your Wife!!!
« Reply #124 on: November 19, 2007, 09:16:20 AM »
it's no secret that he has prostate cancer.

thanks for the info. :D

maybe he has a brain tumor aswell ???