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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2007, 03:56:29 PM »
   How can you follow instructions when they are given in a language you don't understand?  ::) They knew he didn't speak English. And YES they were cops.

i worked in new york, in areas nobody spoke english.. communication doesn't need to be verbal. i never had a person not understand what was going on. if someone points a tazer or a gun at you, you just need a fraction of a brain to understand that means stop. the uniform and the badge are universal, no matter were your from

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2007, 04:02:12 PM »

i have had a few ajents in my classes plus a friend of mine is an ajent..

anyhow..you guys i respect..smart fucking 2...

cops..if i ever see one shot..i'll take the time to piss in the hole the bullet made before i move on...

thats fucked up. i was a cop, got shot on a breaking and entering call. stopped a robbery in progress. he had the balls to shoot me, what would he have done to the woman and 2 kids inside the house? would you have pissed on me, when my life could have been taken away while saving 3 complete strangers?

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2007, 07:21:18 PM »
I believe this happened in Canada.

Well, duuuuuuh!

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2007, 08:12:47 PM »
   How can you follow instructions when they are given in a language you don't understand?  ::) They knew he didn't speak English. And YES they were cops.

So you go about throwing chairs and stuff?

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2007, 08:52:27 PM »
So you go about throwing chairs and stuff?

exactly

you learn from the time your a small child that if you have a tantrum and throw stuff at people, threaten them and damage their property you get your ass kicked, just the same as when you put your hand on the fire you get burnt.

that guy knew exactly what he was doing was wrong.

if it was a cry for attention, he wouldn't have been threatening and throwing objects at the people who were trying to help him (staff, lady, security). millions of the people around the world get by very well speaking a foreign language, but self righteous people like raguare will tell you that this maniac should have been treated differently.

a person died in a tragic accident. it was unintentional, but if the grown man wasn't behaving like a spoilt brat he would have been fine, so if someone needs to be blamed here the finger needs to be pointed squarely at the deceased.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2007, 01:24:13 PM »
Americans and canadians are a bunch of barbarians. Here in europe, we re atleast educated.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2007, 02:07:50 PM »
guy deserved it,,,u dont have to speak english to know u have to obey the laws,,RIP dipshiit

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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2007, 02:23:49 PM »
exactly

you learn from the time your a small child that if you have a tantrum and throw stuff at people, threaten them and damage their property you get your ass kicked, just the same as when you put your hand on the fire you get burnt.

that guy knew exactly what he was doing was wrong.

if it was a cry for attention, he wouldn't have been threatening and throwing objects at the people who were trying to help him (staff, lady, security). millions of the people around the world get by very well speaking a foreign language, but self righteous people like raguare will tell you that this maniac should have been treated differently.

a person died in a tragic accident. it was unintentional, but if the grown man wasn't behaving like a spoilt brat he would have been fine, so if someone needs to be blamed here the finger needs to be pointed squarely at the deceased.

If "crazy guy" injures someone during his tantrum = airport security to blame.

Conclusion -> guys doing their jobs in front of 20+ witnesses.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2007, 05:27:55 PM »
If "crazy guy" injures someone during his tantrum = airport security to blame.

Conclusion -> guys doing their jobs in front of 20+ witnesses.

   I don't think they were wrong for trying to take him into custody..just I think some cops get carried away with a tazer. They had him outnumbered and once they had him down there was no need to continue to taze him. It is sad because nobody thinks they intended to hurt or kill him...just a freak thing.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2007, 01:52:55 AM »
  My money says the cop sitting on his neck killed him...who knows. I think the police would rather just taze someone than deal with them at times...he was hostile and rightfully so...but not toward them. They should have gotten someone to translate before getting physical...but who knows how much info they were given..when they arived all they seen was a guy that was upset and throwing things about...I think they over reacted like many cops do. They know they have the authority to get away with just about anything in a situation like that and they get on a power trip. Just a sad situation all together cause obviously they didn't intend to kill him..they have to live with that now, and you know that can't be easy.

In 1000% agreement with you there. what's even sadder, is that it is now coming out that a worker at the airport who speaks both Polish AND Russian, was in the international arrivals area just moments before, but no one asked him to help translate. He left moments before police were called, and when asking what the huge commotion had been afterward, was furious and wanted to know why he wasn't called to translate.

In addition, they had defribillators on scene, and personnel trained in their use, but they instead waited for an ambulance before trying to revive him. Despite having these devices throughout the airport, and personnel trained in their use, the protocol is to call municipal ambulances. At the moment it hasn't been determined if response time played a factor, ...but geez louise, let's use some common sense here. It's gonna take less time for someone to run 50 yards than it is for a municipal ambulance to arrive at an airport.  Yet even more missed opportunities as far as dealing with this man.  :'(
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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2007, 05:25:45 PM »
   I don't think they were wrong for trying to take him into custody..just I think some cops get carried away with a tazer. They had him outnumbered and once they had him down there was no need to continue to taze him. It is sad because nobody thinks they intended to hurt or kill him...just a freak thing.

the tazer didn't kill him. the man died from positional asphyxia, which basically means he couldn't get enough oxygen into his brain. it is what causes the black out when you choke someone out. person loses conciousness (if you are a pro fighter you will tap at this point or a very attentive ref will stop the fight) and if the choke continues to be applied, person dies.

that is exactly what you saw on the vid. the cop basically never realeased the pressure from the deceased's throat. add to that the deceased's agitated state, being already hyperventilating due to stress and struggle with several cops and physical status (large unfit) it is not hard to find an explanation for his death.

the taser will NOT affect one's breathing to a significant degree. in fact, if the cops did not deploy the taser and had to grapple with him instead, looking at the techniques used by the cops (to grapple) the deceased was probably more likely to die ie more cops would have had their combined weight baring down on top of him ie further constriction of airways.

ultimately it was the continuous pressure on the throat that sealed the deal and directly caused the man's death and this will be the finding from the coroner's inquest.

that said, i have no problem with what any of the cops did. i stand by my earlier comments that the deceased brought it upon himself. no, he didn't deserve to die for what he did any more than a person that plays hop scotch on the freeway deserves to die, but yet people die. amazing isn't it?

tragic accident, but social reformists like raguare wants some heads to roll. of course, this is EXACTLY why the ambulance was called and lengthy procedural measures were taken all round, because of the social reformists out there that will, with hindsight and behind their little desks in their comfy little homes, will analyse EVERY SINGLE THING that was done at the time and look for someone to blame. the irony is that the hindsight reformists are to blame for procedure being followed by the book because who the hell is going to risk trying (and possibly failing) to save someone's life quickly when, if shit happens (as it does), they might be up for a wrongful death suit and blood on their hands?

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2007, 10:14:26 PM »
If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.
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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2007, 07:56:31 PM »
If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2007, 08:05:51 PM »
If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.

please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)

once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2007, 06:15:03 AM »
please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)

once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)

Its just more of Jag's bullshit and its her speciality on this board. Just ignore her.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2007, 07:33:46 AM »
please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)

once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)


Its just more of Jag's bullshit and its her speciality on this board. Just ignore her.

First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.

They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.

It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.
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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2007, 07:56:02 AM »

First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.

They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.

It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.

no, stupid.

what you have read are media stories not evidence sweetie.

evidence is what comes out eventually, when all the hype settles down.

of course, by that time, nobody will give a shit, including you and the evidence won't be controversial enough to engage the limited attention span of imbeciles like you. ;)

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2007, 09:20:02 AM »

First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.

They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.

It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.

Isnt this the part where Jag hits the Report to Moderator Button in the hopes a mod will delete the posts of people who she dislikes? Remember folks, this is the wacko who runs
a scam by trying to sell a magic little pill that will make your car drive farther on a single tank of gas.

Nobody believes anything you say here Jag. You are the official GetBig Nutcase.

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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2007, 10:27:14 AM »
Isnt this the part where Jag hits the Report to Moderator Button in the hopes a mod will delete the posts of people who she dislikes? Remember folks, this is the wacko who runs
a scam by trying to sell a magic little pill that will make your car drive farther on a single tank of gas.

Nobody believes anything you say here Jag. You are the official GetBig Nutcase.

Enjoy your high gas prices Tapper.  :)
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Re: man tasered to death in airport
« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2007, 07:11:56 AM »
  Unfortunetly these officers won't be paying for their actions to the extent that they should be.  Their actions were completely out of protocol.