your body doesnt recognize weight. ONLY REPETITION FAILURE

[natural al]

dude ive been training off and on for 11 years , do you not think i havent tried just going heavy?

im not ignorant to new or old ideas. i love to be proven wrong ill admit when im wrong

you recruit all your muscle fibers at the very end of the final rep of the set bro....the whole high repetitions scenario is a way to gauge how much calories are being utilized and 1rep=1 calorie is an easy method to tabulate a good diet or gaining routine


i garantee a guy doing 2,000 pushups a day maxing out at the end of the send every set and eating the required amount to have energy to compete it will be better than the guy only doing 100 pushups a day maxing out on the end of the set every set while eating less calories

this is how you keep bodyfat in check

not argueing just asking a question:

how long does it take to do 2000 push ups? 

there's heavy training-relative to a persons individual strength levels and then there's intense training.  lots of guys say that they train heavy..."man, I did 3 sets of 8 with 265 on the flat bench last week"...ok, well what did they do the week before-probably 3 sets of 8 with 265.  What is most important-and this is just my opinion is that you continually increase the weight you are using while keeping the rep range in the same...well, range.  yesturday I did drag curls for my bi's, I used 135lbs and I got 25 reps total using the DC training protocol, meaning I reached failure at about 12 or 15 reps, rested about 20 seconds and went again and repeated...by the time I reached 25 my bi's were done, I did squeeze out a static of about 20 seconds....my point?  well the workout before that I used 130 lbs and I got about the same number of reps, so I got stronger and theoretically if my diet is sound I should get bigger.  Next workout I'll use 140lbs and so on and so forth so I'm overloading the muscle by increasing the poundages I use for each and every movement on a continual basis.  Now could I have rested 10 minutes nad done some DB curls?  Probably, but weight, reps and form would probably have been sacrificed...plus if I really got to the point of positive(and static, since I did the static at the end) musclular failure what would be the point?  I wouldn't be handling the weight I would need to to stimulate growth and all I would be doing is cutting into my recovery abilities.  A natural guy needs to "hit it and run" meaning, destroy the muscle and then let the recovery process begin.  This is basically what arthur jones and Mike Metzer talked about, meaning don't sacrifice your ability to recover from a aworkout simply for the sake of doing additional volume.....

anyway, like I said, I don't think your wrong and I'm not argueing with you just trying to have a discussion.

[Marty Champions]

not argueing just asking a question:

how long does it take to do 2000 push ups? 

there's heavy training-relative to a persons individual strength levels and then there's intense training.  lots of guys say that they train heavy..."man, I did 3 sets of 8 with 265 on the flat bench last week"...ok, well what did they do the week before-probably 3 sets of 8 with 265.  What is most important-and this is just my opinion is that you continually increase the weight you are using while keeping the rep range in the same...well, range.  yesturday I did drag curls for my bi's, I used 135lbs and I got 25 reps total using the DC training protocol, meaning I reached failure at about 12 or 15 reps, rested about 20 seconds and went again and repeated...by the time I reached 25 my bi's were done, I did squeeze out a static of about 20 seconds....my point?  well the workout before that I used 130 lbs and I got about the same number of reps, so I got stronger and theoretically if my diet is sound I should get bigger.  Next workout I'll use 140lbs and so on and so forth so I'm overloading the muscle by increasing the poundages I use for each and every movement on a continual basis.  Now could I have rested 10 minutes nad done some DB curls?  Probably, but weight, reps and form would probably have been sacrificed...plus if I really got to the point of positive(and static, since I did the static at the end) musclular failure what would be the point?  I wouldn't be handling the weight I would need to to stimulate growth and all I would be doing is cutting into my recovery abilities.  A natural guy needs to "hit it and run" meaning, destroy the muscle and then let the recovery process begin.  This is basically what arthur jones and Mike Metzer talked about, meaning don't sacrifice your ability to recover from a aworkout simply for the sake of doing additional volume.....

anyway, like I said, I don't think your wrong and I'm not argueing with you just trying to have a discussion.

it takes a rEEEEEEEEAL long time to do 2000, if i were to do it i would spread it over throughout the day and eat after every set of 100. of course my sets when doing THAT many are only between 6-15 depending upon how long im resting

natural al please try this on your next arm workout take my advice and EAT something after your final set HELL EAT ATLEAST 5-600 calories i bet you will use the SAME AMOUNT OF WEIGHT. You have nothing to lose by trying. This is something that has to be tried and not me simply telling you that it works my friend, you will see

[Quagmire]

Hey DW, what sort of routine were you on before changing to this one?

[Marty Champions]

Hey DW, what sort of routine were you on before changing to this one?

well for the mrgetbig2 prep i was just running some weightlifting and trying to eat as little as possible

before in the past i just ate like crazy and trained as much as possible, then diet here and there if i was looking too fat

[Vince B]

Lot of complete nonsense in this thread. The brain knows how much weight you are lifting. The trick is to make sure the target muscle is actually having intense mechanical tension put on it. Doing high rep pushups will develop the physique displayed by DW. That is about all you will get from doing them.

No one can continually add weight to exercises even once a month. Soon one will be lifting astronomical poundages. So adding resistance is important but not always necessary. It may be sufficient to do something else.

One thing is clear, few young fellows can get big if one of their priorities is to always have 3 rows of abdominals. Usually you have to overeat to get really big.

The Mike Mentzer/Arthur Jones concept of adaptation is probably counterproductive to getting big. Why? Well, once your muscle adapts you then have the Repeated Bout Effect to contend with and it becomes very difficult to generate more hypertrophy.

No matter how many message boards there are most guys refuse to believe it is possible to grow rapidly. They work out the requirements in an intellectual way and then wait for the results. Most get some results so then conclude they are hard gainers and further progress can be had only via drugs. That is totally false and a rationalization.

In the past guys had to find ways to make a big muscle grow. Drugs weren't relied upon. That is how Larry Scott, Arnold and others got huge. The formula is still the same. Use your brain to find a way to get big. Obviously, if you keep doing the same thing and getting nowhere something has to change. Start by throwing out most of what you think you know about training. If your muscles are not growing rapidly then you are not doing things properly or perhaps are not eating enough food. While the formula is simple is it not easy to apply consistently to get huge. Few get huge because it takes unusual training. Perhaps some employ unusual drugs. The drugs are not necessary unless you are female.

[Marty Champions]

Lot of complete nonsense in this thread. The brain knows how much weight you are lifting. The trick is to make sure the target muscle is actually having intense mechanical tension put on it. Doing high rep pushups will develop the physique displayed by DW. That is about all you will get from doing them.

No one can continually add weight to exercises even once a month. Soon one will be lifting astronomical poundages. So adding resistance is important but not always necessary. It may be sufficient to do something else.

One thing is clear, few young fellows can get big if one of their priorities is to always have 3 rows of abdominals. Usually you have to overeat to get really big.

The Mike Mentzer/Arthur Jones concept of adaptation is probably counterproductive to getting big. Why? Well, once your muscle adapts you then have the Repeated Bout Effect to contend with and it becomes very difficult to generate more hypertrophy.

No matter how many message boards there are most guys refuse to believe it is possible to grow rapidly. They work out the requirements in an intellectual way and then wait for the results. Most get some results so then conclude they are hard gainers and further progress can be had only via drugs. That is totally false and a rationalization.

In the past guys had to find ways to make a big muscle grow. Drugs weren't relied upon. That is how Larry Scott, Arnold and others got huge. The formula is still the same. Use your brain to find a way to get big. Obviously, if you keep doing the same thing and getting nowhere something has to change. Start by throwing out most of what you think you know about training. If your muscles are not growing rapidly then you are not doing things properly or perhaps are not eating enough food. While the formula is simple is it not easy to apply consistently to get huge. Few get huge because it takes unusual training. Perhaps some employ unusual drugs. The drugs are not necessary unless you are female.

this is what has been blabberd over the years thats why you got all these confused people here who are fat or simply big and fat

keep blabbering about what they said in the past and you will repeat the past. of course you are the authority mister basil , i mean look at you , freakin shredded?

seriously im not going to dawg you out because you are up in age and the last thing i want to do is make an old person feel terrible, anyways i appreciate the weightlfting advice!

[Quagmire]

well for the mrgetbig2 prep i was just running some weightlifting and trying to eat as little as possible

before in the past i just ate like crazy and trained as much as possible, then diet here and there if i was looking too fat

Cool. Were you into high volume training when you were eating alot? I think it was you I remember saying you ate 10,000 calories a day, what did you fill up on to get that?

[Vince B]

What is important, knowing how to make a muscle grow or thinking you are right? Seems to me most people who train know very little about advanced hypertrophy. They get some results and become instant experts. I smile when I see most of the photos of the young fellows on Getbig. WTF is that? No wonder so many are pissed off. They can't grow so come to Getbig to vent their frustrations on others.

The bottom line is do I have the correct theory about maximum hypertrophy or don't I? I doubt a guy with 16 inch arms would know. Not possible. It is pointless sharing the truth because most cannot accept it because it rejects many cherished beliefs re bodybuilding. That is why so many are not growing. They possess false theories. Their bodies demonstate this when they post their images showing hardly any hypertrophy at all. Why should I debate with these people? They are not my intellectual or physical peers.

[Marty Champions]

Cool. Were you into high volume training when you were eating alot? I think it was you I remember saying you ate 10,000 calories a day, what did you fill up on to get that?

i probably never really hit 10,000 calories consistently , but on some days i think i excedded it lol probably on average around 7000. i was eating all the junkfood in the world especially cheap stuff like little debbie snacks and ramen noodles. i was doing high volume training but looking back at it i shouldve ate more during my workouts to KEEP GOING and should have guaged my calories better instead of flip flopping from bulking to dieting

i shouldve just done high calories and high training since birth but keep calories consistent with my lifting (ex every 100 reps eat 200-400 calories )

[Quagmire]

i probably never really hit 10,000 calories consistently , but on some days i think i excedded it lol probably on average around 7000. i was eating all the junkfood in the world especially cheap stuff like little debbie snacks and ramen noodles. i was doing high volume training but looking back at it i shouldve ate more during my workouts to KEEP GOING and should have guaged my calories better instead of flip flopping from bulking to dieting

i shouldve just done high calories and high training since birth but keep calories consistent with my lifting (ex every 100 reps eat 200-400 calories )

It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Some people are narrow minded to new ideas but if you're following a set routine of calories to reps it should work. I can't eat anything too heavy during a workout but I used to eat like 2 or 3 mars bars haha/

[Marty Champions]

It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Some people are narrow minded to new ideas but if you're following a set routine of calories to reps it should work. I can't eat anything too heavy during a workout but I used to eat like 2 or 3 mars bars haha/

yeah you dont wanna workout with a fully stretched out stomach . you want your stomach with just a couple candy bars or whatever on it at a time. youll be suprised at how fast your stomach digests it after 100-200 reps you will have an appetite for more and so on...

this is how marathon runners keep going THEY KEEP EATING

and before someone starts bitchin about marathon runners being small, they are simply trotting along and not going all out like a weightlifter does with sets of pushups to failure completley taxing that area of the body

[Rimbaud]

Wow.

I don't know what to say. Sometimes I want to say that daddywaddy is completely insane & other times I want to get back into smoking pot, taking mushrooms, etc & say let's party.

[chris_mason]

thats why i can be superior off of pushups normally only gettig 5-8 reps a set reaching about 700 per day its alot of sets. your body only knows when it cannot push anymore and then the set is ended. just like if i were to use 275 on the bench, sure thats way more than a pushup but after a few reps the body will fail and the set will be ended. people need to stop lifting so heavy its really stupid

Seriously, stop, you really don't come off well.

[gcb]

What was I thinking - no need for heavy bench, I can just bench a broomstick 10,000 times 

[natural al]

Lot of complete nonsense in this thread. The brain knows how much weight you are lifting. The trick is to make sure the target muscle is actually having intense mechanical tension put on it. Doing high rep pushups will develop the physique displayed by DW. That is about all you will get from doing them.

No one can continually add weight to exercises even once a month. Soon one will be lifting astronomical poundages. So adding resistance is important but not always necessary. It may be sufficient to do something else.

One thing is clear, few young fellows can get big if one of their priorities is to always have 3 rows of abdominals. Usually you have to overeat to get really big.

The Mike Mentzer/Arthur Jones concept of adaptation is probably counterproductive to getting big. Why? Well, once your muscle adapts you then have the Repeated Bout Effect to contend with and it becomes very difficult to generate more hypertrophy.

No matter how many message boards there are most guys refuse to believe it is possible to grow rapidly. They work out the requirements in an intellectual way and then wait for the results. Most get some results so then conclude they are hard gainers and further progress can be had only via drugs. That is totally false and a rationalization.

In the past guys had to find ways to make a big muscle grow. Drugs weren't relied upon. That is how Larry Scott, Arnold and others got huge. The formula is still the same. Use your brain to find a way to get big. Obviously, if you keep doing the same thing and getting nowhere something has to change. Start by throwing out most of what you think you know about training. If your muscles are not growing rapidly then you are not doing things properly or perhaps are not eating enough food. While the formula is simple is it not easy to apply consistently to get huge. Few get huge because it takes unusual training. Perhaps some employ unusual drugs. The drugs are not necessary unless you are female.

you CAN make small incremental increases in a movement for along time if it is cycled as DC calls for, now of course these increases will stop eventually but in this type of program once that happens you move on to a new movment and hammer away at that and so on and so forth. 

[SteelePegasus]

What was I thinking - no need for heavy bench, I can just bench a broomstick 10,000 times 

based on waddy's rule that is better than 225lb weight for 10 - 15 reps

this fucker has no chest and claims that lifting heavy doesn't build muscle...epic catch 22

[Vince B]

DW and Squad and others so qualified should have a novice discussion board where they can present their ideas and theories. They should be prohibited from starting threads about training on the open Getbig forums except to ask questions.

[Marty Champions]

based on waddy's rule that is better than 225lb weight for 10 - 15 reps

this fucker has no chest and claims that lifting heavy doesn't build muscle...epic catch 22

ok mater of all times 

[warchild]

Goddamn DW, your moronic blabbering knows no bounds

[GoneAway]

reaching repetition failure

and being tired to do another set are two different things

so what ur saying is, repetition failure gains better results when it's after a decent amount of reps? if so, what is the best number of reps before reaching repetition failure?

[Marty Champions]

Goddamn DW, your moronic blabbering knows no bounds

hahah ok 'warchild', were you a spoiled brat as a child and gave your parents pure hell on earth?

[Marty Champions]

so what ur saying is, repetition failure gains better results when it's after a decent amount of reps? if so, what is the best number of reps before reaching repetition failure?

one routine that is fantastic is vince girondas 8 sets of 8 with 10 seconds rest between sets and adjust the weight till where you are barely getting that 8th rep, ive always like that, its really the same principle i use, sometimes i rest a little longer sometimes less but i definitly do more sets

[SteelePegasus]

well for the mrgetbig2 prep i was just running some weightlifting and trying to eat as little as possible

before in the past i just ate like crazy and trained as much as possible, then diet here and there if i was looking too fat

dude, get back to doing this

seriously, you look like a basketball player yet you insists on giving out chest building tips 

[Marty Champions]

dude, get back to doing this

seriously, you look like a basketball player yet you insists on giving out chest building tips 

really? basketball players get lots of pussy i must be doing the right thing, unless you want me to get lots of cock from your muscle boy homeys

[GoneAway]

one routine that is fantastic is vince girondas 8 sets of 8 with 10 seconds rest between sets and adjust the weight till where you are barely getting that 8th rep, ive always like that, its really the same principle i use, sometimes i rest a little longer sometimes less but i definitly do more sets

have u tried this waddy? does sound good. i like the principle - massive blood flow, no time to get cold, using all ur energy, no wasted time. but ur gonna be using some seriously low weights by the end.