Dorian -three weeks out: 1993

[Hulkster]

I would be willing to bet that England_1 has never seen the videos of the 99 olympia, esp. the prejuding.

dorian never ever came close to Ronnie at that level.

even an Englishman with bad teeth can admit that. LOL\

[Shockwave]

Cut out the calves and Ronnie is more complete. He is better from every angle. Even with Dorian's insane back, Ronnie is more complete because his arms, delts, hams are up to par. Dorian's back, like his calves, are far too big for the rest of him. Truth is, minus those 2 muscles, he's nothing special. Yet Ronnie has phenominal everything but calves.

Again, you're trying to add up parts.
Dorian's parts all match up to each other... Ronnie is a conglomeration of exception bodyparts equaling to a less than stellar whole.
You can't say, well, throw so and so's arms on so and so's back with this that and the other, its going to look like a jumble.. which is ronnie.

[Hulkster]

Again, you're trying to add up parts.
Dorian's parts all match up to each other... Ronnie is a conglomeration of exception bodyparts equaling to a less than stellar whole.
You can't say, well, throw so and so's arms on so and so's back with this that and the other, its going to look like a jumble.. which is ronnie.

you say they don't add up to a stellar whole, yet the truce thread has made it quite clear (as have the 'they must be fake becuase they are so much better than dorian' comments about the original 99 screencaps)  that dorian LOSES EVERY mandatory pose EXCEPT the AB shot.

so much for less than a stellar whole:

 

[Iceman1981]

I would be willing to bet that England_1 has never seen the videos of the 99 olympia, esp. the prejuding.

dorian never ever came close to Ronnie at that level.

even an Englishman with bad teeth can admit that. LOL\

Don't waste your time, it's pubes with another name.

[pumpster]

Don't waste your time, it's pubes with another name.

hahaha pubes...here's this monster's pic you can see why he's an authority on BB.. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly what I have been saying

ND, are you reading this?
 

exactly what you've been saying and its still exactly WRONG I don't care who types it ! 

I run the laundry list of flaws with Coleman

Quads dominating his injected undeveloped poor shaped calves that lack any separation or detail
Overdeveloped glutes that can actually been seen from the front
Narrow waist which showcases horrible abdominal shape and a protruding gut
Biceps/triceps that dominate his bowling pin shaped forearms
head to toe poor balance & proportion
Incomplete

Hulkster are you reading this? Dorian has much better balance & proportion , he's massive at 269 pounds , his conditioning & density are legendary and he's complete from head to toe , sorry sport Ronnie is lacking compared to this

You have NOTHING to work with you can't claim his biceps are to small , or his quads suck or he has torn muscles you have zero.

Game.............set.... ..........match 

[NarcissisticDeity]

hard to say. but his front lat spread certainly lacks a lot of detail compared to Ronnie's.

ronnie took dorian's mass and added shape and detail.

he took the sport to the next level.

LMFAO he doesn't have Dorian's mass in that pic sport SORRY Dorian outweighs Ronnie by 22 pounds how does one take the sport to the next level when he's NOT as big NOT as complete and doesn't have Dorian's balance & proportion? I'll answer they don't

I love how you hyperfocus on Ronnie's assumed strengths and forget his major weaknesses compared to Dorian

Dorian has Ronnie in muscular size 269 pounds V 247 pounds
Dorian has Ronnie in muscular balance & proportion
Dorian has Ronnie in completeness
Dorian has Ronnie in density - conditioning may be equal

you always like to bitch about striations meaning he's better conditioned thats NOT always the case and Yates has plenty of striations in his chest ( see evidence ) just because they're not visible or evident in the front latspread doesn't mean he's not ripped

from head to toe front to back top to bottom Dorian crushes Ronnie based on the criteria the IFBB uses to judged contests you'd know this if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Perfect example of Dorian's superiority in the balance & proportion department , couple that legendary conditioning & density and completeness and its obvious to anyone who knows how contests are judged Ronnie would go down faster than the U.S. dollar !

[CoolDuck]

Perfect example of Dorian's superiority in the balance & proportion department , couple that legendary conditioning & density and completeness and its obvious to anyone who knows how contests are judged Ronnie would go down faster than the U.S. dollar !

Hmm, here is my take on the Ronnie vs Dorian debate. If both bodybuilders were compared at their best, this would be my bodypart evaluation:

1. Back: Tie, both had outstanding back development, symmetry, detail  and shape. Perhaps Ronnie was a bit better.
2. Chest: Ronnie > Dorian. Dorian has a weak chest due to high attachment on the rib-cage. Ronnies chest was outstanding
3. Biceps: Ronnie > Dorian. Ronnies biceps were high, detailed (even a very visible split) and big. Dorians were smaller and less detailed.
4. Triceps: Ronnie > Dorian
5. Delts: Ronnie > Dorian
6. Quads: Tie, although Ronnie perhaps had more separation, the shape was not pleasing compared to Dorian's
7. Calves: Dorian > Ronnie, no contest. Ronnie's calves were horrible and Dorian's among the best ever.
8. Hams/glutes : No opinion :-)
9. Forearms: Tie

Before Ronnie got to big for his own good, he had a small waist and better abs than Dorian, although he had a split that some may have considered odd. I found his overall physique pleasing.

Taken together, I think Ronnie was better than Dorian. If he had better calves, he would possibly have been the best bodybuilder ever. Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?

CD

[England_1]

Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?

CD

No.

Diesel owns him.

[suckmymuscle]

England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?

  Because you keep telling us to "take notice" any time someone says that Ronnie is better, but you completely ignore the posts from people who say that Dorian is owning Ronnie in this video.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

I guess you're dumber than I thought. It's spelled two ways.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imposture

  The link is not working. Anyway, I checked my Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition and I couldn't find the word "imposture" in it. Maybe it's a new word? Irrespective, I've never read this word in print before and I've never seen it be used in speach.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Hmm, here is my take on the Ronnie vs Dorian debate. If both bodybuilders were compared at their best, this would be my bodypart evaluation:

1. Back: Tie, both had outstanding back development, symmetry, detail  and shape. Perhaps Ronnie was a bit better.
2. Chest: Ronnie > Dorian. Dorian has a weak chest due to high attachment on the rib-cage. Ronnies chest was outstanding
3. Biceps: Ronnie > Dorian. Ronnies biceps were high, detailed (even a very visible split) and big. Dorians were smaller and less detailed.
4. Triceps: Ronnie > Dorian
5. Delts: Ronnie > Dorian
6. Quads: Tie, although Ronnie perhaps had more separation, the shape was not pleasing compared to Dorian's
7. Calves: Dorian > Ronnie, no contest. Ronnie's calves were horrible and Dorian's among the best ever.
8. Hams/glutes : No opinion :-)
9. Forearms: Tie

Before Ronnie got to big for his own good, he had a small waist and better abs than Dorian, although he had a split that some may have considered odd. I found his overall physique pleasing.

Taken together, I think Ronnie was better than Dorian. If he had better calves, he would possibly have been the best bodybuilder ever. Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?

CD

  Your post is worthless. I stopped reading when you said that Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage, when in reality Dorian has a lower attachment than Ronnie. You then "progressed" to saying that Ronnie has forearms that are as good as Dorian's, which is just retarded. Maybe at the 2003 Olympia when Ronnie was much bigger overral, but Ronnie's forearms in 1999 were tiny compared to Dorian's. As for triceps, define "better". Ronnie's triceps are higher than Dorian. If you're talking about triceps mass, then Ronnie did have more in 2003/4, but his triceps still looked terrible because they attach very high in the tendom.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[CoolDuck]

  Your post is worthless. I stopped reading when you said that Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage, when in reality Dorian has a lower attachment than Ronnie. You then "progressed" to saying that Ronnie has forearms that are as good as Dorian's, which is just retarded. Maybe at the 2003 Olympia when Ronnie was much bigger overral, but Ronnie's forearms in 1999 were tiny compared to Dorian's. As for triceps, define "better". Ronnie's triceps are higher than Dorian. If you're talking about triceps mass, then Ronnie did have more in 2003/4, but his triceps still looked terrible because they attach very high in the tendom.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hi. Thank you for offering your opinion. I was wrong about forearms- Dorians were more developed. Regarding pecs, I think you are wrong.

CD

[suckmymuscle]

Hi. Thank you for offering your opinion. I was wrong about forearms- Dorians were more developed. Regarding pecs, I think you are wrong.

CD

  The point of contention is that you argued that Dorian's pecs are higher than Ronnie, which is just wrong. Dorian's pecs attach lower in the rib cage than Ronnie's. Pec size is not what I was arguing about.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Tubbs]

England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?

that contains priceless gems like this:

 

My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?

[Iceman1981]

  The link is not working. Anyway, I checked my Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition and I couldn't find the word "imposture" in it. Maybe it's a new word? Irrespective, I've never read this word in print before and I've never seen it be used in speach.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

LOL, so now the link doesn't work? You didn't see that word in your Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition? Try using an up to date version of a dictionary. If you haven't seen that word before then you shouldn't be telling people how to spell. Here are a few more sources for that word:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/imposture

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39475&dict=CALD

[Shockwave]

My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?

Oh snap.

[bizzy]

I think what Cool Duck meant by;
Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage
is that Ronnie's pecs are longer than Yates which is true.

[bizzy]

...

[suckmymuscle]

LOL, so now the link doesn't work? You didn't see that word in your Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition? Try using an up to date version of a dictionary. If you haven't seen that word before then you shouldn't be telling people how to spell. Here are a few more sources for that word:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/imposture

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39475&dict=CALD

  No one uses "imposture", not even the British. And if I see a strange word that I've never seen before that resembles a lot a word that is of common usage, then I will assume that the strange word is the common word that was spelled incorrectly. This is common sense, and it is what most people would do.

[Matt C]

Dorian in 1993 = Mr. Olympia in 2007.

[bizzy]

Dorian in 1993 = Mr. Olympia in 2007.

Wouldn't have even been close, especially from the back! 

[NeoSeminole]

[NarcissisticDeity]

My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?

Hulkster OWNED