Do Christians here see the hand of god in our instestinal track and excretion?

[Deicide]

I was just curious about this one...

[Deicide]

They never do have an answer to this one...hmmm.

[loco]

Never?

Trapezkerl,
I think that this is the third time that I see you complain about our plumbing, peeing and pooping.  Why is that?

I don't have any problems with my plumbing.  Peeing and pooping, in other words, relieving yourself is one of life's little pleasures, and it is free.   

You don't think so?  Then I recommend adding more fiber to your diet, and more water too.  Add some cranberry juice too.  I've heard that it helps clear out urinary track infections, if that's the problem.     

Oh, and low-carb diets can make you hate your plumbing too.  Carbs are loaded with water and some even with fiber.  Protein and fat have neither water nor fiber.  People don't realize how much they lower their water and fiber intake when they go low carb.

What's so screwy about our plumbing anyway?   Waste is processed and ejected.   So what?   If you are sick it throws everything into a bit of chaos....same would happen with the best designed machine if it needed maintenance.

I wonder what the manufacturing defect rate would be for a machine like that vs the defect rate for people at age 18?

And could those machines reproduce themselves?

[OzmO]

I'm of the "they"!   

Umm, trap, you seem infatuated with this.   

[Deicide]

I'm of the "they"!   

Umm, trap, you seem infatuated with this.   

The point is Oz, that any halfwit human engineer could potentially come up with a better system and in fact they do all the time. Architects and engineers DO NOT design entertainment complexes to be built as part of a sewer system.

And yet the infallible creator of all things couldn't do better than his measly creation...doesn't add up now does it...

[Deicide]

Never?

Yes, it's call Unintelligent Design. Your god is a dumb ass...

[OzmO]

The point is Oz, that any halfwit human engineer could potentially come up with a better system and in fact they do all the time. Architects and engineers DO NOT design entertainment complexes to be built as part of a sewer system.

And yet the infallible creator of all things couldn't do better than his measly creation...doesn't add up now does it...

Well, you must remember, this "creator" has an issue with casual sex.   

[loco]

Yes, it's call Unintelligent Design. Your god is a dumb ass...

Why?  Because we breath, eat and drink through the same hole?  Because we pee and have sex with the same organ?  Isn't that a good thing, to accomplish more using less parts?  Doesn't this make us superior to any species that would accomplish the same or less using more parts?  Dumb ass?  I don't think so.  That is good design.

In the 50s or 60s, a group of engineers got together to design a red blood cell.  In other words, knowing what a red blood cell is supposed to accomplish(to carry its precious cargo of oxygen to every corner of your body), how would they design it? What should a blood cell's ultimate shape be?  Could these engineers do a better job?  They did their work, their design and calculations, entered their numbers into an IBM mainframe.  Guess what the output was, the same shape/design as our blood cells.

[Deicide]

Why?  Because we breath, eat and drink through the same hole?  Because we pee and have sex with the same organ?  Isn't that a good thing, to accomplish more using less parts?  Doesn't this make us superior to any species that would accomplish the same or less using more parts?  Dumb ass?  I don't think so.  That is good design.

In the 50s or 60s, a group of engineers got together to design a red blood cell.  In other words, knowing what a red blood cell is supposed to accomplish(to carry its precious cargo of oxygen to every corner of your body), how would they design it? What should a blood cell's ultimate shape be?  Could these engineers do a better job?  They did their work, their design and calculations, entered their numbers into an IBM mainframe.  Guess what the output was, the same shape/design as our blood cells.

Here's a question for you Mr. Fundy. If you had been born in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, would you be a Christian or a Muslim. If you had been born in the highlands of Tibet, would you be a Christian or a Buddhist? If you had been born in the Mayan empire 1000 years ago, would you be a Christian or a pagan? Hmm...pretty random, isn't it...mostly geographical and temporal accident in fact.

As far as your 'examples' are concerned, without the help of modern medicine 5 out of 10 babies and their mothers would die during child birth because our head has to be so big for this brain. There is always a counter example.

[beatmaster]

GODS ARE DELUSIONAL

[The Freakshow]

Yes, it's call Unintelligent Design. Your god is a dumb ass...

So creating a system that eliminates wastes and toxins from your body in order to keep you alive is not intelligent??? Which has seemed to work for you since you're still here.

Why don't you try plugging up your holes and see what happens.

Then, since you're intellectually superior to the Creator of the universe, why don't you develop a new system? Should be a shoe in for the Nobel Prize:D

[loco]

Here's a question for you Mr. Fundy. If you had been born in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, would you be a Christian or a Muslim. If you had been born in the highlands of Tibet, would you be a Christian or a Buddhist? If you had been born in the Mayan empire 1000 years ago, would you be a Christian or a pagan? Hmm...pretty random, isn't it...mostly geographical and temporal accident in fact.

As far as your 'examples' are concerned, without the help of modern medicine 5 out of 10 babies and their mothers would die during child birth because our head has to be so big for this brain. There is always a counter example.

"Mr. Fundy"?  Ooh, I bet you say that to every Christian you meet.  Thank you!     

"mostly geographical and temporal accident in fact"?  No, not true.

I was born and raised in a country that is 99% Roman Catholic.  Yet, I was raised Southern Baptist.  Southern Baptist?  Imagine that.

Christianity is Middle Eastern.  That's where it originated, in Palestine.  We don't know exactly how many Christians exist in countries where Christians are tortured and killed, countries like China and all the Islamic countries.  Christianity has been growing in China and South Korea.  Christianity is big in Australia too.

Christians form the third largest group in Kerala, India. They have sometimes, even in some official documents, been called Nazaranis (followers of Jesus of Nazarene) or St. Thomas Christians.

[The Freakshow]

Here's a question for you Mr. Fundy. If you had been born in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, would you be a Christian or a Muslim. If you had been born in the highlands of Tibet, would you be a Christian or a Buddhist? If you had been born in the Mayan empire 1000 years ago, would you be a Christian or a pagan? Hmm...pretty random, isn't it...mostly geographical and temporal accident in fact.

As far as your 'examples' are concerned, without the help of modern medicine 5 out of 10 babies and their mothers would die during child birth because our head has to be so big for this brain. There is always a counter example.

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The reality is you are here on this planet and you need to figure out for yourself how you got here. Don't worry about the "what if's". How did YOU get here.

If you choose not to believe that God created you, you'll have to reconcile that with Him.

He gave you all of the answers in the Bible. It's up to you now.

[Butterbean]

So creating a system that eliminates wastes and toxins from your body in order to keep you alive is not intelligent???

Exactly....the waste from our food has to go somewhere.


And Trapezkerl, look at how our excretions help the economy.  We need toilet paper, plumbing, plumbers, septic tanks, sewer lines etc!  Our excretions flood our our country with jobs and plunge money into the economy!

[The Freakshow]

Exactly....the waste from our food has to go somewhere.


And Trapezkerl, look at how our excretions help the economy.  We need toilet paper, plumbing, plumbers, septic tanks, sewer lines etc!  Our excretions flood our our country with jobs and plunge money into the economy!

Yeah.....tha's why they always say you're flushing money down the toilet

I couldn't resist.

[The Freakshow]

Exactly....the waste from our food has to go somewhere.


And Trapezkerl, look at how our excretions help the economy.  We need toilet paper, plumbing, plumbers, septic tanks, sewer lines etc!  Our excretions flood our our country with jobs and plunge money into the economy!

I never thought of the impact of our excretions on the economy. Very valid point.

[Butterbean]

That's right.  Massive Loads of money are Dumped into our economy Regularly due to our excretions!

That ain't peanuts.

[Deicide]

What if......
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The reality is you are here on this planet and you need to figure out for yourself how you got here. Don't worry about the "what if's". How did YOU get here.

If you choose not to believe that God created you, you'll have to reconcile that with Him.

He gave you all of the answers in the Bible. It's up to you now.

How about: we don't know exactly how we got here. That would be an intellectually honest answer. Instead of assuming that ancient mythology, perpetuated by authority and tradition is the absolute truth you could acknowledge our (humanity's) ignorance on the matter. Muslims claim all the answers are in the Quran. Hindus do likewise with their scriptures. Arguing with fundamentalist/literalists like you is always a headache and almost always a waste of time as the answer to every question posed is: it's in the bible. We know the bible is full of flaws and errors, hence it could have been dictated by your Semitic deity, Yaweh.

[The Freakshow]

How about: we don't know exactly how we got here. That would be an intellectually honest answer. Instead of assuming that ancient mythology, perpetuated by authority and tradition is the absolute truth you could acknowledge our (humanity's) ignorance on the matter. Muslims claim all the answers are in the Quran. Hindus do likewise with their scriptures. Arguing with fundamentalist/literalists like you is always a headache and almost always a waste of time as the answer to every question posed is: it's in the bible. We know the bible is full of flaws and errors, hence it could have been dictated by your Semitic deity, Yaweh.

Once again, instead of pointing fingers, ask yourself how you got here. Don't state that there is no God because you can't figure it out. God IS the ONLY intellectual answer! But whatever, if you don't want to find the purpose of your existence (which to me would seem of utmost importance), that's up to you. I'm not trying to force anything on you. I've personally analyzed and investigated all of the facts and opinions and I believe the Bible.

Now as far as "knowing" that the Bible is full of errors, that's an absurd statement. If YOU know of these errors, you would be the first person in the history of the world to disprove the Bible. That would surely make you the man with all of the answers for humankind.

BTW, it's "Yahweh"

[The Freakshow]

Once again, instead of pointing fingers, ask yourself how you got here. Don't state that there is no God because you can't figure it out. God IS the ONLY intellectual answer! But whatever, if you don't want to find the purpose of your existence (which to me would seem of utmost importance), that's up to you. I'm not trying to force anything on you. I've personally analyzed and investigated all of the facts and opinions and I believe the Bible.

Now as far as "knowing" that the Bible is full of errors, that's an absurd statement. If YOU know of these errors, you would be the first person in the history of the world to disprove the Bible. That would surely make you the man with all of the answers for humankind.

BTW, it's "Yahweh"

I could imagine that it would be a "headache" to debate with someone that believes in absolute truth rather than subjective relativism. 

[Deicide]

Once again, instead of pointing fingers, ask yourself how you got here. Don't state that there is no God because you can't figure it out. God IS the ONLY intellectual answer! But whatever, if you don't want to find the purpose of your existence (which to me would seem of utmost importance), that's up to you. I'm not trying to force anything on you. I've personally analyzed and investigated all of the facts and opinions and I believe the Bible.

Now as far as "knowing" that the Bible is full of errors, that's an absurd statement. If YOU know of these errors, you would be the first person in the history of the world to disprove the Bible. That would surely make you the man with all of the answers for humankind.

BTW, it's "Yahweh"

So the entire biosphere of the planet was loaded onto a wooden boat huh?

[The Freakshow]

So the entire biosphere of the planet was loaded onto a wooden boat huh?

Once again, instead of arguing issues that you have, figure out how you got here.

And yes, I do believe that. God, who created you and me out of nothing, could surely bring the entire population to a specific place. Questioning the abilities of an all powerful God to coordinate logistics seems silly.

[Butterbean]

So the entire biosphere of the planet was loaded onto a wooden boat huh?

No.  The bible doesn't claim that if that's what you are implying.

Perhaps you didn't mean to say "entire biosphere of the planet?"  If not, what did you intend to say?

[The Freakshow]

No.  The bible doesn't claim that if that's what you are implying.

Perhaps you didn't mean to say "entire biosphere of the planet?"  If not, what did you intend to say?

I assumed he meant all of the earth's population.

[The Freakshow]

So the entire biosphere of the planet was loaded onto a wooden boat huh?

I just realized that I may have missed your point.

Was this your attempt to show a "known" error in the Bible?

If so, I'm sure you have some evidence that it did not occur. Because that would be required to rebut what the Bible says.