Soy is EVIL and will make you GAY

[Beener]

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Big_Tymer]

supposedly the soy also makes kids look younger than they are, as evidenced by 1988+ or so when they started adding soy to all the milk thats given to young babies.  Like if you look at 18 year old kids today, they look like they are 14 or so for the most part

[phemonmmill32]

that's interesting, not sure how legitimate the claims are and it didn't really say a number as to how much dosage is unhealthy. i want to know numbers!

[Bluto]

"will may you GAY" ?

wtf has this dude been smoking.

[the Pure Majestic]

I believe most of the recent studies are showing the opposite. 
The phyto-estrogens are appearing to have a selective estrogen re-uptake modulation.  The soy estrogen is similar enough to the human estrogen receptor to create a weak binding effect.  This minimal binding actually deactivates the estrogen receptor much in the same way tamoxifen binds and nulls the estrogen receptor. 

This is likely much of the reason why European bodybuilders seem to maintain so much more offseason hardness than their American counterparts.  The high level of soy protein powder intake (as it is easier to find here in the EU) is creating very low estrogen levels.  This is providing a myriad of benefits. 

The lowered estrogen production is partially offset by the weak binding of the estrogen receptor.  In summation, all the positive effects of estrogen, as well as the positive effects of blocking estrogen are realized in one product.

[Bluto]

I believe most of the recent studies are showing the opposite. 
The phyto-estrogens are appearing to have a selective estrogen re-uptake modulation.  The soy estrogen is similar enough to the human estrogen receptor to create a weak binding effect.  This minimal binding actually deactivates the estrogen receptor much in the same way tamoxifen binds and nulls the estrogen receptor. 

This is likely much of the reason why European bodybuilders seem to maintain so much more offseason hardness than their American counterparts.  The high level of soy protein powder intake (as it is easier to find here in the EU) is creating very low estrogen levels.  This is providing a myriad of benefits. 

The lowered estrogen production is partially offset by the weak binding of the estrogen receptor.  In summation, all the positive effects of estrogen, as well as the positive effects of blocking estrogen are realized in one product.

never heard of a bodybuilder who takes a lot of soy protein powder.

[the Pure Majestic]

never heard of a bodybuilder who takes a lot of soy protein powder.

Ruhl.

[Bluto]

Ruhl.

how do you know

[240 is Back]

wait 2 years before determining anything about soy.  The studies keep contradicting each other based upon the hypothesis presented.  

[Bluto]

stick to whey protein that we know is dangerous. 

[Faust]

never heard of a bodybuilder who takes a lot of soy protein powder.

There are vegatarian bodybuilders... Not saying they look that great. I think most of them are natties too.

Personally, i throw in some soy now and then for some variety. Wouldn't use it as a staple protein source though.
Read that it has similar qualities as casein.

supposedly the soy also makes kids look younger than they are, as evidenced by 1988+ or so when they started adding soy to all the milk thats given to young babies.  Like if you look at 18 year old kids today, they look like they are 14 or so for the most part

I've had this thought as well, but i don't know if this is really true. Probably just in my mind.
You also have to consider that a lot of kids nowadays survive on simple carbs and unhealthy fats.

What IS true definately is that the puberty age of girls keeps going down. Don't know if this correlates to soy. There are a lot of other chemicals (in plastics, beauty products, shampoos, cleaning products, ...) around us that have estrogen-like activities.

[Beener]

I believe most of the recent studies are showing the opposite. 
The phyto-estrogens are appearing to have a selective estrogen re-uptake modulation.  The soy estrogen is similar enough to the human estrogen receptor to create a weak binding effect.  This minimal binding actually deactivates the estrogen receptor much in the same way tamoxifen binds and nulls the estrogen receptor. 

This is likely much of the reason why European bodybuilders seem to maintain so much more offseason hardness than their American counterparts.  The high level of soy protein powder intake (as it is easier to find here in the EU) is creating very low estrogen levels.  This is providing a myriad of benefits. 

The lowered estrogen production is partially offset by the weak binding of the estrogen receptor.  In summation, all the positive effects of estrogen, as well as the positive effects of blocking estrogen are realized in one product.

Thats what the hippies want you to think..

[timfogarty]

Like if you look at 18 year old kids today, they look like they are 14 or so for the most part

no, that's just a natural part of getting old.  when I went back to a college reunion, I wondered aloud when they starting letting in 14 year olds.

Television doesn't help, as most of the actors playing high school kids (especially the extras) are all in their 20s.  (all sorts of restrictions on how many hours you can work a teen that don't apply to adults)

[bigbadwolfe]

With the prices of Whey sky rocketing look for Soy or some Vegetable Protein to be the next big thing!!!

[the Pure Majestic]

Thats what the hippies want you to think..

Yeah, hippies want you to think that soy will make you appear harder in your offseason as a professional bodybuilder.   

What hippies really want you to think is that as a "beener," you should be proud to carry a leaf blower to work.  They also want you to bring back some peyote from your next trip back to neuvo Laredo.

[The Freakshow]

"will may you GAY" ?

wtf has this dude been smoking.

IT's TRUE!!! Don't believe the hype. Stay away from Soy......RUN!!!!!!!

[onlyme]

Well this explains Leafy Slug.

[Jujoshu]

Soy must not be that bad for you. The most studied, longest-lived people (The Okinawans) on earth eat soy products just about every day. It's also very rare to see heart disease, cancers, and other common probs. associated with a Westernized diet in the elders of their culture.

[The Freakshow]

Soy must not be that bad for you. The most studied, longest-lived people (The Okinawans) on earth eat soy products just about every day. It's also very rare to see heart disease, cancers, and other common probs. associated with a Westernized diet in the elders of their culture.

Soy is actually very good for your "health", more specificaly for women.

As for bodybuilding, SOY SUCKS!!!! Very low amount of BCAA's and Glutamine and a horrible PER.

[Overload]

Soy must not be that bad for you. The most studied, longest-lived people (The Okinawans) on earth eat soy products just about every day. It's also very rare to see heart disease, cancers, and other common probs. associated with a Westernized diet in the elders of their culture.

They also eat alot of seaweed and fish, two things very beneficial to long life.

You won't see them eating beef that's for sure.

[Jujoshu]

They also eat alot of seaweed and fish, two things very beneficial to long life.

You won't see them eating beef that's for sure.

True, they take fish in moderation. With fish you have to be careful about the mercury levels. Especially farmed fish.
Sadly enough, the younger Okinawans are starting to adopt a more Westernized diet.  Those youngsters are starting to have the same health probs. as American children.

[Brutal_1]

I believe most of the recent studies are showing the opposite. 

Really??  Care to share

[Big_Tymer]

if you arent supposed to eat beef or lots of fish, wtf are you supposed to eat?  please dont say chicken only

[onlyme]

With the prices of Whey sky rocketing look for Soy or some Vegetable Protein to be the next big thing!!!

go to www.allthewhey.com

great prices and you can mix your own and they will make is and ship to you.

[Overload]

if you arent supposed to eat beef or lots of fish, wtf are you supposed to eat?  please dont say chicken only

Salt water fish are fine.