Winstrol vs. Anavar

[abc123]

50mg Stanozolol EOD or 50mg Anavar ED

Which do you think provides better results?

[Arnold jr]

Winny hands down

[Luv2Hurt]

Agree winny, this is a no brainer

[Arnold jr]

Agree winny, this is a no brainer

Yep, var is great...if you're a girl.

Guys, there is a reason why anavar is the most highly recommended AAS for females. BTW, no serious female BB/lifter/competitor should be without it!

[trab]

I like them both and have doubts how much UG var is real.
Var is a spendy chemical and the UG prices I often see are too cheap to be real, even UG.

Either compound will help hang on to lean mass at the end of a cycle.
I normaly never run a oral only, but if you try var only as last compound when there is truly NOTHING else in your system at the bitter end, I think you'd be impressed. Its not very supressive, and even 25mg of
US Pharm var will tip the balance.

Smooth recovery and virtualy Zero crash. Decent little strength drug.

[Rimbaud]

I like them both and have doubts how much UG var is real.
Var is a spendy chemical and the UG prices I often see are too cheap to be real, even UG.

That's because a lot of it's winny. They try to pass it off as anavar because you'll get some results from it.

[Rimbaud]

50mg Stanozolol EOD or 50mg Anavar ED

Which do you think provides better results?

Why EOD with the winny?

[trab]

Why EOD with the winny?

Shots?

[Rimbaud]

Shots?

That's what I was thinking but you never know.

[Overload]

Better results in WHAT? strength? mass? getting ready for a show?

REAL Human Grade Var by a landslide if you want strength.

[Texastriceps]

 Var is better in that you'll be stronger and it won't affect HPTA therefore it can stand alone,  winny alone is not androgenic enough and it'll fuck up your HPTA.   Winny is a great additiion to an androgen or with clen precontest last 30 days.

[abc123]

Why EOD with the winny?

I have always only done shots of winny EOD because I react well to hormones in general.  I like the var but prefer the more vascular look that winny provides.  It just seems to stack better with test.

[trab]

Even the Var at low therapeutic dose has some effect on natural testo.

But not anything like aromatizing steroid.

If your stopping steroid completely for 6+ weeks (I think 100days off after a long run is better) 
and your all the way off long-acting stuff; and then go to var only at even 25-30mg ed, split in 3 doses,
run like that for a week to 10 days, as your very last steroid.

Then clomid. See what you think. Smooth landing. Minimal weight loss/ size loss, and other unpleasant issues.
Primo works nice like that too.

I prefer Stanoz with Tprop (100mg eod each) prior as the last fact acting.

[Captain Equipoise]

If money was no object, definetly Var  better results and not as harsh on your skin or hair..

realistically winny is a much better 'bang for your buck'

[benchmstr]

50mg Stanozolol EOD or 50mg Anavar ED

Which do you think provides better results?

both are bullshit

bench

[Van_Bilderass]

REAL Human Grade Var by a landslide if you want strength.

Agreed. Anavar is insane for strength if taken at sufficient dosage and length of time.

[Van_Bilderass]

Var is better in that you'll be stronger and it won't affect HPTA therefore it can stand alone, 

Anavar is in fact pretty damn suppressive. Just 15mg for 3 days will lower your test by 30%.

[trab]

Anavar is in fact pretty damn suppressive. Just 15mg for 3 days will lower your test by 30%.

SO you got a spectromater and lab at home?

In the real world, Ill tell you var is not near as supressive as Testos and Deca.
My Real World Actual impression - Var is The least supressive of all the HG AAS Ive used, and thats pretty much ALL OF THEM.

Take all reasearch with a grain of salt. Typical book bullshit.

[Van_Bilderass]

SO you got a spectromater and lab at home?

In the real world, Ill tell you var is not near as supressive as Testos and Deca.
My Real World Actual impression - Var is The least supressive of all the HG AAS Ive used, and thats pretty much ALL OF THEM.

Take all reasearch with a grain of salt. Typical book bullshit.

I'm basing it off personal experience plus the research that is available. For me it's very suppressive, more than any other oral I've tried - drol, dbol, winstrol, methyltest, halo, etc.

Why do you think the research on Anavar is unreliable?


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705?ijkey=1c18e10cb501555f36c9cd0781adbaeac590bbaf

[trab]

I'm basing it off personal experience plus the research that is available. For me it's very suppressive, more than any other oral I've tried - drol, dbol, winstrol, methyltest, halo, etc.

Why do you think the research on Anavar is unreliable?


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705?ijkey=1c18e10cb501555f36c9cd0781adbaeac590bbaf

Was that in journal of clinical endocrinology?
I question ALL research, and I give WAY more credence to your personal experience - for your body.
Ive not seen taht kind of findings for var. Quite the opposite. But,Theres research to show most everything.

I find var (and that would be USA FDA HG var) least suppressive of any steroid Ive used. I dont doubt it may affect you different.
 ANdriol shuts me down fast, and Cyp gives me wicked zits in compare to any testo.

Have you used HG USA Pharma Var?
Lots UG out there is not var, but low dose Dbol, or even methyl. Take that female BBers!

Also, what kind of dose were you on? Real var is also spendy.

[trab]

Read that study, it has about ZERO relevance to real world use of this stuff.
5 guys, 5 days.

There is SO much nonsense (typical) in the study its a laugh.

[Van_Bilderass]

Was that in journal of clinical endocrinology?
I question ALL research, and I give WAY more credence to your personal experience - for your body.
Ive not seen taht kind of findings for var. Quite the opposite. But,Theres research to show most everything.

I find var (and that would be USA FDA HG var) least suppressive of any steroid Ive used. I dont doubt it may affect you different.
 ANdriol shuts me down fast, and Cyp gives me wicked zits in compare to any testo.

Have you used HG USA Pharma Var?
Lots UG out there is not var, but low dose Dbol, or even methyl. Take that female BBers!

Also, what kind of dose were you on? Real var is also spendy.

I put the link at the bottom. "The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism". Do you have some research showing it does not shut you down or that the suppression is mild?

No I haven't used US Pharm Var. I've used powder which I trust is legit. It wasn't Chinese powder however. I've used between 20 and 80mg+.

That's weird that you say Andriol shuts you down fast since it's just not absorbed well. The research also shows it to not be very suppressive (no doubt since it doesn't absorb and raise test levels very much).

[Van_Bilderass]

Read that study, it has about ZERO relevance to real world use of this stuff.
5 guys, 5 days.

There is SO much nonsense (typical) in the study its a laugh.

Why does it have zero relevance? You think a larger study would show different results?

[trab]

UG Powder sums up your experience.
Get some legal HG USA mfg var and try again.

5 subjects for 5 days is not a study.

I dont feel like digging up research right now, Ill have a look some time.

All this stuff acts in the individuals particular body chemistry, and here and there odd results are found.
Evey user finds a product that reacts abnormal in them.
But var dont have a users rep for being suppressive. It may in you, but I suspect you were sold other than oxandrolone.

Var was made for women and kids. IT was specifically made with intent not to influence the HPTA is my understanding. Drawling conclusions from UG gear is pointless.
THe idea your getting what its sold as is fantasy.

[Van_Bilderass]

UG Powder sums up your experience.
Get some legal HG USA mfg var and try again.

5 subjects for 5 days is not a study.

I dont feel like digging up research right now, Ill have a look some time.

All this stuff acts in the individuals particular body chemistry, and here and there odd results are found.
Evey user finds a product that reacts abnormal in them.
But var dont have a users rep for being suppressive. It may in you, but I suspect you were sold other than oxandrolone.

Var was made for women and kids. IT was specifically made with intent not to influence the HPTA is my understanding. Drawling conclusions from UG gear is pointless.
THe idea your getting what its sold as is fantasy.

Was your Anavar compounded in a pharmacy i.e. not brand name Oxandrin etc? The reason I'm asking, and I could be totally wrong here so correct me if I'm wrong, is that hasn't a lot of the material used by some of the compounding pharmacies been Chinese material? From what I've read about the pharmacy busts in the US I know they had been getting GH and steroid hormones from China. So how can one be sure it's quality material?

As far as what I've used I'm pretty sure as to the quality, not getting too much into why but I'll say it was synthesized in Western Europe and lab tested by some I trust.

In any case all effective steroids are suppressive, we can disagree as to the extent. One of the reasons Anavar has been used in kids is that it doesn't aromatize and therefore doesn't stunt growth (estrogen causes the sealing of the growth plates). And it's effective without being very androgenic. This of course doesn't mean it doesn't suppress the HPTA.