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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2007, 06:57:56 PM »
Freak, sigh........

What i'm telling you is that what you call facts or proof aren't that at all. 

then if you can't prove it it's not a fact.  It's a belief.

You believe Jesus walked on water and you don;t have any provable fact to back it up with.

Why can't you just admit that.

I can admit my belief in god is based mostly on belief and not provable facts.  It doesn't change what i believe. 

They are facts if they have testimony from trustworthy sources that have NOT been contradicted.

I believe Jesus walked on water because I have been provided with evidence that has NOT been contradicted. Until it is, you have to believe what the eyewitnesses state. I'm not just "believing" for the sake of believing.

See that's where you and I differ, you MUST admit to believing without provable facts. Whereas I have provable facts in the Bible and history to back up my beliefs. I have faith. You have a blind faith. VERY big difference!

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2007, 07:37:25 PM »
there are 4 gospels.  Where there only 4 people who saw him walk on water?

Do we need anymore???

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Do we have the original papyrus, copper, or clay they were written on?  No, what we have are reproductions.  How do we know those reproductions are accurate if we don't have the originals


Same argument I referred to earlier regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls which proved the text to be accurate. We have over 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone.

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Was Jesus' name Jesus or something else?  Was Gospels writer's names John, Matt, Luke and Mark?  Were those Hebrew names?  do we have other original writings from them that are not in the bible and are not reproduced?

I’m not going to spend to much time on this, because what you want is a PHd course in Theology at the behest of my tying fingers. Here’s an excerpt from (Robert Wilson, A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament, Chicago, Moody Press, 1959, pp. 70,71,85.)

“In 144 cases of transliteration from Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian and Moabite into Hebrew and in 40 cases of the opposite, or 184 in all, the evidence shows that for 2300 to 3900 years the text of the proper names in the Hebrew Bible has been transmitted with the most minute accuracy. That the original scribes should have written them with such conformity to correct philological principles is a wonderful proof of their thorough care and scholarship; further, that the Hebrew text should have been transmitted by copyists through so many centuries is a phenomenon unequaled in the history of literature…There are about forty of these kings living from 2000 B.C. to 400 B.C. Each appears in chronological order… with reference to kings of other countries… no stronger evidence for the substantial accuracy of the Old Testament records could possibly be imagined, than this collection of kings. Mathematically, it is one chance in 750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 that this accuracy is mere circumstance… The proof that the copies of the original documents have been handed down with substantial correctness for more than 2000 years cannot be denied.”

The evidence is clear that the Bible has been transmitted to us in an accurate manner.

 

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But we don;t have everyone's eyewitness accounts.  Not to mention eyewitness accounts have historicallhy had a percantage of  inaccuracy, just ask any police officer.

I doubt that there is a time when we have “everyone’s” eyewitness accounts to an event. But that’s irrelevant. We HAVE EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY! You keep disregarding that. It’s like you’re a broken record.

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It's been commonly accepted they were written many years after Jesus's death.  Look in to it.


I’m not disputing that. Remember, that does not make them false or inaccurate.
I simply stated that you do not know that they were NOT written earlier. As I stated in an earlier post, the writer could have begun witting immediately and completed at a later time. We also do not know whether they had “notes” that they wrote at the time.

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By that logic then all the things Mohamand did, all his miracles etc... are true also.  and so are every written fairy tale or illogical event involving witnesses.

think freak, think.

Look, I’m not going to start getting into the Koran and Mohammad too. I’m going to focus on the Bible. Which is PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE and UNCHANGED. That cannot be stated of the Koran. In addition, we have a significantly greater amount of manuscripts and supporting documents for the Bible. Which was written much closer to the times the actual events occurred.

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Greek mythology involved real people and real lives, the only difference is that main stream society and religious doctrine have labeled Greek mythology as just that while it labeled the exact same thing in the bible as fact.

both are the same, both involve real people and real places.

Just like the Koran.

If what Jesus said is true, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through Me.”, and everything in the Bible continues to confirm that He did what He said, rising from the dead, miracles, etc. I don’t need to waste my time refuting what other books or myths say, when the Bible is true. Now, if it were proven to be false that would be a different story.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2007, 07:38:26 PM »

flying spaghetti monster!!! touched by his noodly appendage!!!



Dude, move on.

Unless you have some intellectual discussion.

Go play in the Gossip boards.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2007, 07:40:12 PM »


Common sense is sometimes regarded as an impediment to abstract and even logical thinking. This is especially the case in mathematics and physics, where human intuition often conflicts with probably correct or experimentally verified results. A definition attributed to Albert Einstein states: "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense#Otherwise


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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2007, 07:48:25 PM »
They are facts if they have testimony from trustworthy sources that have NOT been contradicted.

I believe Jesus walked on water because I have been provided with evidence that has NOT been contradicted. Until it is, you have to believe what the eyewitnesses state. I'm not just "believing" for the sake of believing.

See that's where you and I differ, you MUST admit to believing without provable facts. Whereas I have provable facts in the Bible and history to back up my beliefs. I have faith. You have a blind faith. VERY big difference!

What provable facts are you talking about?

Certainly not the 2nd hand reproduced testimonies which are no different from Greek mythology or the Koran/

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2007, 07:53:42 PM »
What provable facts are you talking about?

Certainly not the 2nd hand reproduced testimonies which are no different from Greek mythology or the Koran/

Certainly not the second hand?? You've seem to discount the first hand testimony of the a Apostles to the miracles of Jesus.

And as far as reproduction, we've covered the ACCURACY of the reproductions in previous posts. You SURELY are NOT contesting the "accuracy" of the reproductions??? I have three words for you..... DEAD  SEA  SCROLLS ;)

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2007, 07:55:39 PM »
Dude, move on.

Unless you have some intellectual discussion.

Go play in the Gossip boards.

lmao, funny cause i find your story and answers not better than mine

you see the flying spaghetti monster is as valide as your GOD, no evidences, no proof...... nothing
except words taking from a book writen by man..... created by man, and any gods are creations of man!

It was once the case that most people believed the world to be flat. Widespread belief did not change the fact that the world is a sphere. The scientific and observational evidence that we have available today is undeniable -- the world is a sphere.

All scientific evidence shows that God is imaginary. So does all historical evidence. This leads any RATIONAL PERSON to conclude that Christian beliefs are pure mythology. Christianity is just like every other mythology that mankind has dreamed up through the ages...

GOD IS IMAGINARY ...... maybe one day....... you'll wake up, thank buddy.

now i'll go play in G.O........ but...... i'll be back
are you delusional?

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2007, 08:04:30 PM »
Do we need anymore???


Sorry man, but you kind of thick sometimes.

Were there more than 4 people who saw Jesus walk on water?

Do you have there testimonies?

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Same argument I referred to earlier regarding the Dead Sea Scrolls which proved the text to be accurate. We have over 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone.

Again, being thick.

You don't have the originals.  the originals documents (copper papyrus, clay etc..) the gospels were written on.  you have reproduction dated 100 years after they were written.

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I’m not going to spend to much time on this, because what you want is a PHd course in Theology at the behest of my tying fingers. Here’s an excerpt from (Robert Wilson, A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament, Chicago, Moody Press, 1959, pp. 70,71,85.)

“In 144 cases of transliteration from Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian and Moabite into Hebrew and in 40 cases of the opposite, or 184 in all, the evidence shows that for 2300 to 3900 years the text of the proper names in the Hebrew Bible has been transmitted with the most minute accuracy. That the original scribes should have written them with such conformity to correct philological principles is a wonderful proof of their thorough care and scholarship; further, that the Hebrew text should have been transmitted by copyists through so many centuries is a phenomenon unequaled in the history of literature…There are about forty of these kings living from 2000 B.C. to 400 B.C. Each appears in chronological order… with reference to kings of other countries… no stronger evidence for the substantial accuracy of the Old Testament records could possibly be imagined, than this collection of kings. Mathematically, it is one chance in 750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 that this accuracy is mere circumstance… The proof that the copies of the original documents have been handed down with substantial correctness for more than 2000 years cannot be denied.”

The evidence is clear that the Bible has been transmitted to us in an accurate manner.

What a bunch of crap!!!   ::)  I'm sure this is from fundy sources.

If you don't have the original you don't know how accurate the copy is.

And even then, can you remember events and words spoken just 10 years ago?   I think not.

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We HAVE EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY!

No you don't.   eye witness testimony is something you get in court form the person.  Gosh, what world do you live in?

What you have is:

-  Reproductions (written accounts) who's accuracy cannot be verified or originality cannot be authenticated.

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I’m not disputing that. Remember, that does not make them false or inaccurate.
I simply stated that you do not know that they were NOT written earlier. As I stated in an earlier post, the writer could have begun witting immediately and completed at a later time. We also do not know whether they had “notes” that they wrote at the time.

It makes them suspect and probable to be inaccurate.  Again, can you tell with 100% accuracy words and events from 10 years ago?  Much less 40 years ago?

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Look, I’m not going to start getting into the Koran and Mohammad too. I’m going to focus on the Bible. Which is PROVEN TO BE ACCURATE and UNCHANGED. That cannot be stated of the Koran. In addition, we have a significantly greater amount of manuscripts and supporting documents for the Bible. Which was written much closer to the times the actual events occurred.

You haven't proved a single thing yet.   And you cannot refute the comparison of the Koran and it's eye witnesses to your bible's eye witnesses.

your logic would be laughed at in the court of law and even more by a group of neutral scholars.

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If what Jesus said is true, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through Me.”, and everything in the Bible continues to confirm that He did what He said, rising from the dead, miracles, etc. I don’t need to waste my time refuting what other books or myths say, when the Bible is true. Now, if it were proven to be false that would be a different story.

Again you are using words in a book to prove the book is true.  No different than greek mythology or the noodle god.

and yes, you don't need to research other religions becuase your afraid of what you will find.

And yes, the bible has many contradictions in it.  It's the Brainwashed folk who have traded in their common sense that will always make excuses for it.

Read these posts, you still haven't address the contradictions of geography.

Why?

Are you afraid?


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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #133 on: December 02, 2007, 08:07:12 PM »
Certainly not the second hand?? You've seem to discount the first hand testimony of the a Apostles to the miracles of Jesus.

And as far as reproduction, we've covered the ACCURACY of the reproductions in previous posts. You SURELY are NOT contesting the "accuracy" of the reproductions??? I have three words for you..... DEAD  SEA  SCROLLS ;)

Freak,

Are you assuming incorrectly  written examples of the (biblical not gnostic) Gospels were discovered in the dead sea scrolls?

Further more, and i'll say yet again:

Even then, they are not the original documents John, mark, luke, and  matt wrote  there  gospels  on.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #134 on: December 02, 2007, 08:13:09 PM »

wait wait wait he will come up with an epic copy past answer in a minute.

anything writen by man is no proof what so ever....
are you delusional?

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #135 on: December 02, 2007, 08:40:10 PM »
Freak,

Are you assuming incorrectly  written examples of the (biblical not gnostic) Gospels were discovered in the dead sea scrolls?

Further more, and i'll say yet again:

Even then, they are not the original documents John, mark, luke, and  matt wrote  there  gospels  on.

You were questioning the accuracy of "reproductions" of Biblical text, so I gave you evidence that the reproductions in the Bible are accurate.

The Dead Sea Scrolls contained manuscripts from ALL of the books of the Old Testament expect for Esther. These manuscripts validated that what we have in the Bible today is the SAME as it was in 150 B.C. to 70 A.D. This confirms that the reproductions are in fact accurate.

Do you think that the New Testament reproductions, much of which were written before 70 A.D. “all of a sudden” became inaccurate? I think not!

Also, I noted that we have over 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone.

In addition, you are complete ignoring the rules of Textual Criticism, which when applied to the reproductions of the Bible prove them accurate more than any other literary work in ancient history.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2007, 08:42:42 PM »
wait wait wait he will come up with an epic copy past answer in a minute.

anything writen by man is no proof what so ever....

In case you haven't been paying attention.

Although, I may occasionally cut and paste something I am referring to to save time, I'm not a cut and paster ;)

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2007, 08:50:51 PM »

so you are saying the bible is right... oooooook

and the bible as been update a lot of time, anyway

bible is right, there you go buddy:

ohhhhh yessssss, thats a copy past (cause i don't read the bible, i have enough fiction book at home)

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
 
Kill Witches
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Kill Homosexuals
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Kill Fortunetellers
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Death for Hitting Dad
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Death for Cursing Parents
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    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
 
Death for Adultery
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
 
Death for Fornication
    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
 
Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
 
Kill Nonbelievers
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
 
Kill False Prophets
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on and on..........
are you delusional?

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #138 on: December 02, 2007, 08:53:10 PM »
You were questioning the accuracy of "reproductions" of Biblical text, so I gave you evidence that the reproductions in the Bible are accurate.

The Dead Sea Scrolls contained manuscripts from ALL of the books of the Old Testament expect for Esther. These manuscripts validated that what we have in the Bible today is the SAME as it was in 150 B.C. to 70 A.D. This confirms that the reproductions are in fact accurate.


I was questioning the accuracy of the Gospels in regards to Jesus walking on water.  But just incase you interested in real facts here's the books that were in the DSS:

 Psalms    
Deuteronomy    
1 Enoch    
Genesis    
Isaiah    
Jubilees    
Exodus    
Leviticus    
Numbers    
Minor Prophets    
Daniel    
Jeremiah    
Ezekiel    
Job    
1 & 2 Samuel
    Hosea
    Joel
    Amos
    Obadiah
    Jonah
    Micah
    Nahum
    Habakkuk
    Zephaniah
    Haggai
    Zechariah
    Malachi
   

i let you answer the question:  Are those All the books of the OT as you said?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

and once again, those aren't original documents which even if they were don;t prove anything other than the copies from those periods didn't change.

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Do you think that the New Testament reproductions, much of which were written before 70 A.D. are “all of a sudden” became inaccurate? I think not!

Absolutely and probably so.

-  They were subject to religious doctrine
-  They were assembled/chosen by a politically motivated group (Council of the Nicea)
-  They probably weren't accurate in there originals due to them being written 40+ years after the events occured.

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Also, I noted that we have over 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament alone.

In addition, you are complete ignoring the rules of Textual Criticism, which when applied to the reproductions of the Bible prove them accurate more than any other literary work in ancient history.

How can you prove the accuracy of something with out the originals?   ::)


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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #139 on: December 02, 2007, 10:08:56 PM »
so you are saying the bible is right... oooooook

and the bible as been update a lot of time, anyway

bible is right, there you go buddy:

ohhhhh yessssss, thats a copy past (cause i don't read the bible, i have enough fiction book at home)

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
 
Kill Witches
    You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
 
Kill Homosexuals
    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
 
Kill Fortunetellers
    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
 
Death for Hitting Dad
    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
 
Death for Cursing Parents
    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
 
Death for Adultery
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
 
Death for Fornication
    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
 
Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
 
Kill Nonbelievers
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
 
Kill False Prophets
    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

on and on..........

remember god loves you!!!!!!!!

and he could of choose a reality without suffering, but yet he choose one in which you are given sexual organs yet cannot use them. i mean dolphins screw for fun, are they going to hell?

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #140 on: December 02, 2007, 10:19:51 PM »

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I was questioning the accuracy of the Gospels in regards to Jesus walking on water.  But just incase you interested in real facts here's the books that were in the DSS:

 Psalms    
Deuteronomy    
1 Enoch    
Genesis    
Isaiah    
Jubilees    
Exodus    
Leviticus    
Numbers    
Minor Prophets    
Daniel    
Jeremiah    
Ezekiel    
Job    
1 & 2 Samuel
    Hosea
    Joel
    Amos
    Obadiah
    Jonah
    Micah
    Nahum
    Habakkuk
    Zephaniah
    Haggai
    Zechariah
    Malachi
   

i let you answer the question:  Are those All the books of the OT as you said?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls [/qoute]

Come on OzmO, I know you didn't just quote Wikipeda as a source of FACTS. I'll head on over there now and update Wikipedia to include the Book of Esther, then they will have contained them all  ;) ;D
The Dead Sea Scrolls contain portions of EVERY book of the Old Testament except Esther, as I said.

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and once again, those aren't original documents which even if they were don;t prove anything other than the copies from those periods didn't change.

Absolutely and probably so.

-  They were subject to religious doctrine
-  They were assembled/chosen by a politically motivated group (Council of the Nicea)
-  They probably weren't accurate in there originals due to them being written 40+ years after the events occured.

How can you prove the accuracy of something with out the originals?   ::)

Okay, so you're saying that the "copies" of the originals do not contain errors, but the originals probably do?? That's an assumption that has no basis in fact. It actually goes against logic. If the copies and copies of copies don't have significant errors, it's not logical to assume anything other than the originals were just at least as reliable as the copies.

If 2400 people each took a photo copy of an original document, and the original document was destroyed, if all 2400 copies contained the same information, it can only be assumed that they are accurate representations of the original document. BTW, the originals were not necessarily destroyed. They are just undiscovered at this time. Some may possibly still be discovered.

How can you disprove them?

You do realize that the rules used in Textual Criticism to judge the authenticity of every ancient document support the accuracy of the Bible.

So what you're saying is that you will not believe anything unless you read the "original" document??? To be honest, if you had the original documents of the Bible in your hands it would not change your views. You would still claim that they are only stories and that the originals only prove that someone wrote something down. You would still deny what they had written as fact, despite any testimonies or evidence is provided in the originals.

I have no doubt that by using all of the latest scientific tolls and methodologies at our disposal today, that the copies we have are accurate representations of the originals. Also, based on the evidence in the Bible and other writings of the day, I have no reason to doubt anything that the Bible says.

Do some things seem unimaginable to me, of course. I have never seen anyone ascend into Heaven. However, I have in fact been a part of some miracles that are unquestionably supernatural (one of which was witnessed by three other eyewitnesses). These miracles were "directly" related to Scripture, which only reinforced the Divine Authority of the Scriptures in my mind. However, I will not use "experiential" evidence of my own to teach others the authenticity of Scripture.  

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #141 on: December 02, 2007, 10:35:09 PM »
remember god loves you!!!!!!!!

and he could of choose a reality without suffering, but yet he choose one in which you are given sexual organs yet cannot use them. i mean dolphins screw for fun, are they going to hell?

Oh, I can use mine. I'm married to a gorgeous Godly woman ;D

Imagine that, God actually asking people to show some self control.

The reason He forbids sex outside of the marriage bed is because He knows all of the harm it causes. There's nothing better in the world than God ordained sex with your wife!

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #142 on: December 02, 2007, 10:37:27 PM »
Man, I need to get out of here and get some Gossip. I don't even know if something happened to Britney or not. K-Fed could have fled the country with the kids and I wouldn't even know cause I'm in here getting all serious :)

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #143 on: December 03, 2007, 04:39:40 AM »
We are not talking about geology here, but geography...there is a difference... ::)
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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #144 on: December 03, 2007, 04:42:47 AM »
Oh, I can use mine. I'm married to a gorgeous Godly woman ;D

Imagine that, God actually asking people to show some self control.

The reason He forbids sex outside of the marriage bed is because He knows all of the harm it causes. There's nothing better in the world than God ordained sex with your wife!

So what do you think god thinks when she gives you head?
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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #145 on: December 03, 2007, 08:25:12 AM »
Okay, so you're saying that the "copies" of the originals do not contain errors, but the originals probably do??



Where do you get that from what i said?   ???

I'm saying the because you don't have the originals you don't know if the copies have errors significant or not.


Also, included in the DSS are books not in the Bible, because of the discovery shouldn't they be included too? 

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You do realize that the rules used in Textual Criticism to judge the authenticity of every ancient document support the accuracy of the Bible.

Quite the opposite, but of course you are going from Fundy sources, the same sources that will tell you there are no contradictions in the bible.

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So what you're saying is that you will not believe anything unless you read the "original" document??? To be honest, if you had the original documents of the Bible in your hands it would not change your views. You would still claim that they are only stories and that the originals only prove that someone wrote something down. You would still deny what they had written as fact, despite any testimonies or evidence is provided in the originals.

If we had the originals i'd treat them no differntly than any other ancient manuscript or scripture:  "Writings of primitive people with glimpses of God."

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I have no doubt that by using all of the latest scientific tolls and methodologies at our disposal today, that the copies we have are accurate representations of the originals. Also, based on the evidence in the Bible and other writings of the day, I have no reason to doubt anything that the Bible says.

You don't have the originals so you'll never know.  You just believe it would be, which is the basis of what you consider fact:  Belief.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #146 on: December 03, 2007, 04:01:00 PM »
Listen to Professor Ehrman, a scholar of the New Testament as he discusses the numerous errors and copyist mistakes in the Bible....great listening...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156
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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2007, 09:15:13 PM »
Oh, I can use mine. I'm married to a gorgeous Godly woman ;D

Imagine that, God actually asking people to show some self control.

The reason He forbids sex outside of the marriage bed is because He knows all of the harm it causes. There's nothing better in the world than God ordained sex with your wife!

why would he ask us for something that is not in our nature? to punish us?

there are many monogamous species, and many non-manogamous. do the fact that animals have multiple sex partners spark a light in your brain. men have multiple amounts of sperm and from evolutionary science they want to copulate with as many women as possible to increase genetic fitness. this is both science and commonsense. and is observed in other species. women have only a finite supply of eggs, hence they are often not premiscuous by nature like men are. didnt you notice that most men cheat, or that the majority of cheaters are men. did you ever think there was a scientific reason for this.

so no i dont see the reason why god would ask for self control then allow other species to fornicate all over. if you had any logic in your head you could see that we act just like animals in many respects, and have the same brain structures for the most part, we aint that special. non monogamous animals are everywhere, we are no different.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #148 on: December 03, 2007, 09:18:16 PM »
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    You should not let a sorceress live.

well since witches dont exist, then i would think god would know this, making this rule ridiculous.

also, i love how god orders everyone to death for everything. its too funny. he has no compassion whatsoever, first offence, you die.


god is all loving. please christians look at this fucking nonsense.

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Re: For those that don't believe the bible is the word of God...
« Reply #149 on: December 04, 2007, 04:23:59 PM »
Kill Witches
    You should not let a sorceress live.

well since witches dont exist, then i would think god would know this, making this rule ridiculous.

usmokepole,
people do practice witchcraft and refer to themselves as witches.  Rape and human sacrifice has been involved in their rituals too.

also, i love how god orders everyone to death for everything. its too funny. he has no compassion whatsoever, first offence, you die.

Mm, God orders everyone to death for everything?  Are you referring to the God of the Bible?  Show me where in the Bible God orders everyone to death for everything.

god is all loving. please christians look at this fucking nonsense.

I read and study the Bible daily, and I practice Christianity.  However, it is obvious that I don't see this nonsense that you see.