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Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« on: November 28, 2007, 02:46:33 PM »
wide grip bb upright rows

Vs

db side laterals


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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 02:52:22 PM »
wide grip bb upright rows

Vs

db side laterals


discuss :D

It's not an either or question.
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 03:23:50 PM »
what are you suggesting?

Johnnie jackson said he did the rows instead of side laterals when chick intervied him in the that series
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 03:40:48 PM »
Do both

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 05:50:28 PM »
Do both

Yes, do both.  They both hit that lateral delt but via different movements.  I either do rows one week, laterals the next or superset them just to constantly change it up. 

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 06:02:28 PM »
i love to superset these two movements after pressing..really get a great pump in the shldrs..reminder to keep light with both and concentrate on pulling the elbows up slowly while driving the shldrs down...awesome!

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 06:32:06 PM »
do both. upright rows for traps ans side laterals on shoulders. side laterals are more imortant then upright rows for shoulder growth, if your a bber

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 10:24:39 PM »
i dont understand how all you guys and girls can do upright rows without screwing up your shoulders...its not freaking fair i tell you

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 11:33:28 PM »
If lateral raises are fucking up your shoulders, you might be going too heavy on 'em.  Go light (35-40 lbs or so) for 10-12 rep sets and I think you'll find they don't mess with your shoulders as much.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 01:19:52 AM »
If lateral raises are fucking up your shoulders, you might be going too heavy on 'em.  Go light (35-40 lbs or so) for 10-12 rep sets and I think you'll find they don't mess with your shoulders as much.

Yeah i used to have this problem. If i feel like going heavier on lat raises, i do them one arm at a time, with the other arm holding onto something stable. Allows you to move more weight, yet keeps your form fairly strict.
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 03:01:53 AM »
i can go more or less heavy on this exercise (on upright rows ), but i dont 'feel' my shoulders very much.
sometimes i think im pulling more with my traps....going lighter would make the feeling of the shoulders more easy??? doing very wide grip would help it too?
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 03:45:41 AM »
i can go more or less heavy on this exercise (on upright rows ), but i dont 'feel' my shoulders very much.
sometimes i think im pulling more with my traps....going lighter would make the feeling of the shoulders more easy??? doing very wide grip would help it too?

Yes i feel that a lighter weight and using a fairly slow, controlled rhythm will target the delts more. And yes using a wide grip will bring the side delts more into play, as opposed to close grip which uses the traps more.
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 04:18:18 AM »
To avoid shoulder problems when doing wide uprights,just bring the bar to nipple height...........great for side delts and no shoulder problems should arise unless form is sloppy.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 06:20:14 AM »
i dont understand how all you guys and girls can do upright rows without screwing up your shoulders...its not freaking fair i tell you

I agree. In time you will fuck up your shoulders by pulling uprights.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 07:41:23 AM »
for upright rows i like to take about a 12 inch grip and pull to just about the nipple line. I kind of bend a little at the waist and I think this hits the rear delts as well.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 10:53:39 AM »
do both. upright rows for traps ans side laterals on shoulders. side laterals are more imortant then upright rows for shoulder growth, if your a bber

if you do them with a wide grip it hits the delts more than trapps
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 11:17:26 PM »
Do upright rows, if u want to have shoulder surgery in about 10 years.

have fun f'n up your shoulder bro.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 11:56:47 PM »
i do both in the same workout...my shoulder workout consists of

5 sets overhead press 6, 6, 8, 10, 12
4 sets upright row 8, 8, 10, 12
4 sets machine side lat raises 8, 8,10, 12 super setted with the same # of reps for front raises
3 sets of reverse flyes lating belly on the incline bench 10, 10, 12

i leave the gym dead after that...you guys think too much or what...i like it but am open for suggestions

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2007, 05:19:41 AM »
Do upright rows, if u want to have shoulder surgery in about 10 years.

have fun f'n up your shoulder bro.

i don't use that much weight on these exercises and i don't go too high up
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2007, 05:24:49 AM »
personal preference for side delts is db side laterals.

make sure to warm up the rotator cuff before doing any shoulder or chest work.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2007, 12:17:01 PM »
i don't use that much weight on these exercises and i don't go too high up

doesn't matter.  uprights will fuck up your shoulders if you're not VERY careful with them.  Even if you are careful, I'd still bet they'll fuck 'em up.

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2007, 04:24:17 PM »
doesn't matter.  uprights will fuck up your shoulders if you're not VERY careful with them.  Even if you are careful, I'd still bet they'll fuck 'em up.
No Way...shldr width grip, slight break at the waist for a lean , drag elbows straight up while keeping the shldrs down( this will determine how high the bar will travel..for me just below nipples), as the bar nears the top of the movement then slowly pull shldrs down( very slight move),very loose grip ( hands acting as hooks), key to the movement is to use a slow,smooth motion and to always keep the shldrs down(retracted)..therefore, not involving the traps at all...it's an awesome lateral deltoid contraction..no injuries

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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2007, 07:55:56 PM »

It's not an either or question.


what are you suggesting?

Johnnie jackson said he did the rows instead of side laterals when chick intervied him in the that series

There is an increased risk of shoulder injury during the upright row because it puts the shoulder in full internal rotation as the arm is raised, a position that does not allow enough space for the greater tubercle of the humerus to clear the acromion. This can cause impingement syndrome in the A/C joint and lead to chronic tendinitis or bursitis.It is also a major contributor to rotator cuff problems.  The ACSM advises against this exercise.  Personally, I do them occasionally, but only with the EZ bar on a cable pulley or with dumbbells.
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2007, 11:04:44 PM »
If i do upright rows, i have to make sure my shoulders are totally warmed up. I made the mistake of once starting with upright rows, and well lets just say i wont be doing that again.
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Re: Upright rows Vs Side laterals
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2007, 07:35:56 AM »
Let's not forget the benefits of DB Upright rows. Which are suggested to be done one arm at a time, rather than together. With a free hand I will grasp a support, as a post, machine, etc. DB's allow a more natural feel to the wrist, elbows and shoulder joints themselves, when doing this exercise (and most every other exercise in my view). Keeping the grip and pulling position too ridged may produce unneeded stress on the wrist/elbows/shoulder joints throughout the complete pull, as a BB will tend to do. Allow the DB to come up a little wider and out when doing it.

If undo stress is felt  when doing Upright's than switching to the DB version (or cables as the lovely Princess L suggest) might relieve this factor. BB Upright rows can be mistreated by a lot of people when the bar is lifted too far out and away from the body. Keep the bar close (almost touching) the body. Raising the bar too high may also cause stress.  Between the upper to middle pec should do just fine, not the chin. Too wide a grip can cause harm. Pick the grip that suits you, not what is usually advised in training articles. Most important, warm-up before attempting this (or any other exercise). Might try using  a empty light exercise bar and doing  at least 20 full reps for a couple of light sets.

I am bias about Upright rows (BB & DB) because it has been one of my favorite exercise throughout the years. Never had any problems, which also goes for other men I have known, who have trained heavy and with serious intent on it. Can always depends on it to add muscle mass and strength to the whole shoulder girdle. Just hate to see it misused by a lot of trainee's. As far a rotor cuff damage is concerned, for observation I would believe that more cuff tears have resulted from doing bench press than any other upper body exercise I can think of. Including the fore mentioned Uprights and the press behind the neck. Good Luck.
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