Seems like an ephedrine-related death

[JediKnight]

BOTTOM LINE,,,DON'T LISTEN TO NASSER.

[McFarland]

BOTTOM LINE,,,DON'T LISTEN TO NASSER.

Yes, whether gh15 is Nasser or not, I doubt Nasser is any stranger to the use of ephedrine, and this is the message that Bigbobs is sending to the board.  We see undeniable similarities between Bigbobs and Nasser, but before he can lessen the gap of difference between his physique and Nasser's, he'll probably need to try a little (or alot) of ephedrine at one point or another.   

[gh15]

hahaha your theories are always so fucking funny, and the way you pretend having a clue about what you're talking about is even more comical.

no theories just facts that i haveno time to research for you for proofs ,,only thing i can do is give the information out from bodybuilders heavily dosed that died comparing to the ones who didnt and the diff is:

antibiotics high dosed
narcotics
painkillers

mix them with hormones and related products and or drinking,,and you will meet your maker pretty soon there after
all bodybuilding powerlifting and strength athletes died from those combos,,
you wanna do narcotics? you wanna do painkillers and im not talking about 1/2 tablet percoset im talking the addiction thats going on in america,,if yu owanna do antibiotics for fun or if youre actually sick,,,then LAY OFF THE STEROIDS

aas and hormones in general are one the SAFEST things you will find out there ,,more safe than tylanol,,in many countrys those products are legal and not under control and youd be surprized but there is  BIG PUSH COMING IN USA TO MAKE THEM NOT CONTROLLED AGAIN,,pay attention how much money mr ron paul raised in a matter of 1 single day ,,if im not mistaken it was close to 4-5 million dollars,,people in the bush goverment do not touch personal users of hormones partially because they know the end result will end of republican white house inaddition to no interest in them to begin with,,so now every one take step back and be safe with your health also,,you got to be safe yourself and not do dumb things when only thing you want to do is enhance your looks

[Pete Dimano]

Members of TEAM NASSER have the constitution of a horse and therefore can tolerate any mixture of medications.

[McFarland]

Members of TEAM NASSER have the constitution of a horse and therefore can tolerate any mixture of medications.

Eh if this were indeed the case they wouldn't even need antibiotics.  Everything else though, yeah.  I mean if you've gotta use antibiotics just come off for the couple of weeks or month that you'll need them and then you can fire everything else up; surely this isn't too much to ask.  You won't lose much and will grow past your previous plateau after going back on... 

[qiniz]

he died for you bitches!


rip

[McFarland]

he died for you bitches!


rip

this post right here pretty much says all,,,good opint qiuns

 

[gtbro1]

I have taken hundreds of mg of ephedrine per day off and on(mostly on ) for years with and without anti biotics and no problems. Not saying that was good idea just saying I have taken waaaay more ephedrine than you guys think is safe with no side effects other than the expected.(sometimes BP gets high..usually stays on the high side of normal)I have blood work done every year for my insurance at woirk and I have no liver or kidney issues. I am not saying that is not stupid...just saying that many of you think you will fall over dead if you take more than a couple hunderd mg of ephedrine. Not true.

[bigbobs]

Yes, and I love the way he has allowed for 2-3 days of wild speculation to play out before he gets back to clarify anything.  Also, he gave absolutely no indication as to whether his friend was taking 1-3 tabs of ephedrine a day or 10-20, and he probably had some idea as to what range his friend would have fallen into; if a guy's doing 200 mg's a day you're gonna hear about it and you'd think he'd have found it relevant to mention.  The way I see it, if you're doing 50mg's of ephedrine a day for 5 years to assist your training and dieting, getting enough satisfaction from it to continue doing it that long, and then add an antibiotic to the mix and die, it wasn't the ephedrine that killed you, it was the fucking antibiotic!   

You'd think a member of TEAM NASSER would like to see ephedrine avoid villification.   

Chill dude.  I posted this topic last night at about 4 am, went to bed right away, just got up and am getting ready for the funeral.  Was I supposed to find out the name of the anti-biotic while I was asleep?  I'll find out sometime today and post it here.  Not everyone can be on getbig 24/7 McFarland.

[bigbobs]

As for the dosage questions I can't say for sure exactly but from what he told me he would take 3 8mg pills in a dose (24 mg), 2 to 3 times a day, so 48 to 72 mg a day.

[danielson]

Chill dude.  I posted this topic last night at about 4 am, went to bed right away, just got up and am getting ready for the funeral.  Was I supposed to find out the name of the anti-biotic while I was asleep?  I'll find out sometime today and post it here.  Not everyone can be on getbig 24/7 McFarland.

Hey, that's no way to talk to a teammate.

[gtbro1]

As for the dosage questions I can't say for sure exactly but from what he told me he would take 3 8mg pills in a dose (24 mg), 2 to 3 times a day, so 48 to 72 mg a day.

   that's nothing.

[JediKnight]

So what BigBobs is basically saying, is that Team Nasser doesnt have the heart to stick around.

[gtbro1]

So what BigBobs is basically saying, is that Team Nasser doesnt have the heart to stick around.

  

[Fulgorre]

Antibiotics killed your friend, not ephedrine

[England_1]

hahaha your theories are always so fucking funny, and the way you pretend having a clue about what you're talking about is even more comical.

Actually, Daddywaddy is correct. Why do you think some surgeons will not operate on a patient if they have been on Antibiotics? The answer is because the antibiotics kill gut flora that produce vitamin K, a necessary co-factor in blood clotting 

[Camel Jockey]

Ephedrine should be cycled.

I've had hypertension after taking like 600 mg caffine and 75mg ephedrine. I stopped with no problems and used the stuff like two weeks later.

Ephedrine alone has never given me troubles. But stacking it with huge amounts of caffine got me wired like a crack fiend and mimicked the effects of cocaine and ecstasy to a degree. It became more about getting wired than about getting lean.

I still think ephedrine and caffine are great. Keeps you alert, vascular, but wears off after a week or two. And of course you tend to eat less when taking ephedrine.

[trab]

as i said million times in the past on this particular place getbig,,the only time we professionals DO NOT USE hormones and related products is when we are on ANTI BIOTICS due to infection abcesses ilnesses

what killed your friend was not ephedrine but anti biotics,,he mostlikley took ephedrine in the 100s of milligrams and didnt keep it low but what kiiled him via heart attack was the addition of anti biotics,

when youre sick and hurt,,no hormones should ever be taken,,when have abcess YOU GO OFF STEROIDS!

how many times do i have to say it to bunch of morons who never learn ,,no wonder you never grow

First off What caused his death is total speculation.

Next, as far as "Getting OFF" steroids before using ANti-B's.... What ya gonna do, wait 2-4 weeks for longacting
testosterone to clear before taking antibiotics for a infection? Infection comes by surprise and suddenly
(Like a abscess... ) We dont schedule infections conveniently for coming off long acting hormone.

I dont buy this at all. Ya may cut back the steroid dose.. (Suddenly stop large dose of AAS cause more problems than anything else you can do with them IME) but TE, Deca and Sustanon in particular dont just go away in a day or two.

Americans want NEED someting to blame everything on. Hey, he died. Sorry but it happens.
We all see more as we age (unless you die first).
Chances are he'd of died anyway. I bet they wont find a lawyer in the country that would take this as a case unless he's paid out of pocket.

[willie mosconi]

I've never taken ephedrine, but I had to take an antibiotic called Levaquin for a prostate infection I had about a year ago. It made my heart race. I quit taking it before the prescribed 14 days were up because it made me feel so unhealthy.

[Knives]

I've never taken ephedrine, but I had to take an antibiotic called Levaquin for a prostate infection I had about a year ago. It made my heart race. I quit taking it before the prescribed 14 days were up because it made me feel so unhealthy.

I had that for my appendectomy over a year ago.  It gave me a nasty rash within a few minutes so i got off it

[McFarland]

I don't understand the whole antibiotic/heart link.  Do the antibiotics affect electrolyte levels somehow?  Something that could offset the balance needed for neural transmission?    

[YoungBlood]

He was taking ephedrine to lose bodyfat, and then he got some prescription anti-biotics for some type of illness, and he did not know that that specific antibiotic is very dangerous to take with ephedrine. 

Sorry to hear the news, however....

That's not due to ephedrine...that's due to idiocy. If he had a cold and was taking anti-biotics, he should have either asked his doctor about interactions between the drugs, and/or stopped taking one (obviously the ephedrine since that wouldn't help his sickness anyway).

I just calls 'em how I sees 'em....

[bigbobs]

Guys, sorry I actually misunderstood a bit yesterday when I posted about ephedrine being extremely dangerous with certain anti-biotics.  It based on what I understood when I overheard a few doctor friends talking about it yesterday.  I talked to them directly today at the funeral and from what they told me they understood he was taking antibiotics however they dont know exactly which type unless they saw the prescription, and that ephedrine doesn't necessarily become more dangerous when taken with anti-biotics.  They were just talking about what types of medication he was on and I guess I misunderstood.

The only way to confirm beyond any doubt that ephedrine was the cause would have been to do an autopsy, but that did not happen, so it can only be speculated.  However, the fact that he was young, healthy, did not have history of heart problems in his family leads docs to believe that ephedrine could or may likely have played a role.  It's a known fact that in very rare circumstances normal dosages of ephedrine does cause sudden heart attacks, it's just extremely rare.  I recall reading about a few similar isolated cases over the years.

Regardless, I'm tossing out my bottle of ephedrine which I'd occasionally use.

[WhiteCastle]

Well, at least he wasn't in a catabolic stage when he went.

[McFarland]

Guys, sorry I actually misunderstood a bit yesterday when I posted about ephedrine being extremely dangerous with certain anti-biotics.  It based on what I understood when I overheard a few doctor friends talking about it yesterday.  I talked to them directly today at the funeral and from what they told me they understood he was taking antibiotics however they dont know exactly which type unless they saw the prescription, and that ephedrine doesn't necessarily become more dangerous when taken with anti-biotics.  They were just talking about what types of medication he was on and I guess I misunderstood.

The only way to confirm beyond any doubt that ephedrine was the cause would have been to do an autopsy, but that did not happen, so it can only be speculated.  However, the fact that he was young, healthy, did not have history of heart problems in his family leads docs to believe that ephedrine could or may likely have played a role.  It's a known fact that in very rare circumstances normal dosages of ephedrine does cause sudden heart attacks, it's just extremely rare.  I recall reading about a few similar isolated cases over the years.

Regardless, I'm tossing out my bottle of ephedrine which I'd occasionally use.

Fuck it, you can always buy more of Nasser's used T-shirts to make up for it. 

TEAM NASSER

(Bro if you think Nasser ever threw away SHIT, then you're off your rocker.)