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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2007, 08:24:11 PM »
Ron Paul is the only candidate to speak against our debt based currency system, along with the Federal Reserve, and the need to repeal both the 16th and 17th amendments to the constitution.

He has my vote, and should have the vote of anyone that understands the application of our debt based currency.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2007, 08:27:00 PM »
are you saying that an agenda (pro gay) that maximizes satisfaction for the majority of the population is a bad one?

What happen to your Debussey, Livewire, Mr.Cortisol, and Delusional Liberal account?

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2007, 08:29:23 PM »
What happen to your Debussey, Livewire, Mr.Cortisol, and Delusional Liberal account?

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I have never had anything to do with the last 3.

Debussey sent me a telepathic message, saying he's still abducted, having anal probes of epic proportions stuck in his ass.

Who this Debussey is, I do not know, but the telepathic messages = alarming.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #78 on: December 02, 2007, 11:08:37 PM »
I've been strongly considering the flaws Ron Paul has with regards to abolishing some of the governments most useful departments and programs and also his supposed belief that there should be no separation between church and state. First of all, yes, he is very strict with some of the actions he wishes to carry out but he's going to have to comply with congress AND public opinion if he's able to restore democracy and the constitution. With that said, I really doubt ANY majority would agree to cut funding for NASA and other agencies for technological and economic progression. Ron Paul will do many great things and just may consider doing some things that might not work out so well (and in such a case it is the obligation of the people to confront and object such actions).

The other story from ATHEIST.com does not agree with the message of personal liberties that Ron Paul is spreading throughout his campaign. He has said countless times that it is the right of the people to live their lives the way they wish without government interference and that includes their right to religious choice. I believe some things within that article are taken out of context and Ron Paul would not go to such extremes with his own religious beliefs.

Despite these flaws of his, I've decided to continue supporting him with all of my passion because he is the best man for the job.

-He is the only candidate with a shot who is going to face off with this country's corporate and banking ownership and end their control over this country which has become an oligarchy, which will crumble like a house of cards within weeks of his presidency.
-Restore a foreign policy of non-intervention and trade/talk/travel with other countries.
-He is very knowledgable on the economy and the monetary system and has the best ideas for what's to be done about them (
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-Abolish the IRS and the income tax.
-Restore openness to government and one that exists to protect our liberties.
-End the war on drugs.

He may have his shortcomings but goddamn he is a great leap in the right direction.

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2007, 11:16:22 PM »
That's a nice synopsis figgs.  The pros certainly outweigh the cons with Ron Paul.  I happen to like Mike Gravel quite a bit as well, but Ron Paul is the best choice.  The mainstream media wants everyone to believe RP doesn't have a chance, but I think we supporters know better by now.  Ron Paul has an excellent chance of winning the nomination and the Presidency.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2007, 12:17:35 AM »
Ron Paul on CNN Late Edition w/ Wolf Blitzer PT.1of2 12-2-07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BVzrjSkfww

What I find more interesting apart from Ron Paul. Is the key words opponents of Ron Paul's make and politicians in general. They label him as an isolationist then include hitler in the same sentence. Duping the viewer with this garbage. There is so much disinformation being spread to keep the average person stupid.  I find it amazing from an outside looking in perspective.


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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2007, 05:20:12 AM »
I realise Ron Paul is a bit of a Christian wack job but he talks intelligently about monetary policy and foreign policy. I am voting for him. I am an Independent expat so lots of the stuff in the states doesn't affect me...the money issue does though as does foreign policy...
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2007, 06:24:36 AM »
I realise Ron Paul is a bit of a Christian wack job

you might want to read this before calling him a wack job
this sounds pretty reasonable to me.

http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2007, 07:19:06 AM »
you might want to read this before calling him a wack job
this sounds pretty reasonable to me.

http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

That just proves how nutso Christian he is.  Truly a disgrace to the founding fathers of the Constitution.

Perhaps you should read the works by the definitive historian of the revolutionary generation of founding fathers, Joesph Ellis. 

Once you realize the true intent of the constitution and how it was to be interpreted, you will then see just how far off base Ron Paul is from that ideal.

The problem is, most people do not read or cannot read.  Therefore fiction and propaganda then supplant truth.  Such is the case with Mr. Ron Paul.  What a hillarious disgrace.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #84 on: December 03, 2007, 10:29:47 AM »
That just proves how nutso Christian he is.  Truly a disgrace to the founding fathers of the Constitution.

Perhaps you should read the works by the definitive historian of the revolutionary generation of founding fathers, Joesph Ellis. 

Once you realize the true intent of the constitution and how it was to be interpreted, you will then see just how far off base Ron Paul is from that ideal.

The problem is, most people do not read or cannot read.  Therefore fiction and propaganda then supplant truth.  Such is the case with Mr. Ron Paul.  What a hillarious disgrace.

No, the problem is that you are an atheist that is trying to rewrite the intent of the founding fathers by removing God from the equation.

What is the first two words on the Great Seal of the United States?

"Annuit Coeptis"

" A common English translation for this phrase is "by the Grace of God."

Since you love to Copy/Paste so much, I will save you the time. 

The problem is, most people you do not read or cannot read.

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Annuit Cœptis (pronounced /ˈænjuːɪt ˈsɛptɨs/) is one of two mottos (the other being Novus Ordo Seclorum) on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. Taken from the Latin words annuo (to nod, approve) and cœpio (to begin, undertake), it literally means "He approves the things which have been begun."

In 1782, Congress appointed a design artist, William Barton of Philadelphia, to bring a proposal for the national seal.[1] For the reverse, Barton suggested a thirteen layered pyramid underneath the Eye of Providence. The motto which Barton chose to accompany the design was, "Deo Favente." The proper Latin translation of Deo (ablative of Deus, the Deity) is "with God." "Deo Favente" is Latin for "with God favoring." A common English translation for this phrase is "by the Grace of God."

 
Barton's Design with Deo Favente PerennisBarton explained that the motto alluded to the Eye of Providence: "'Deo Favente' which alludes to the Eye in the Arms, meant for the Eye of Providence."[2] For Barton, Deus (God) and The Eye of Providence were the same entity.

In light of the fact that the theme "13" was included throughout both sides of the seal, a month later, Charles Thomson amended Barton's motto with a phrase containing 13 letters. The motto on the front of the seal (E Pluribus Unum) already had 13 letters. Thomson suggested a phrase that was synonymous to "Deo Favente" but with thirteen letters: Annuit Coeptis.

When Charles Thomson provided his official explanation of the meaning of this motto, he wrote:

"The Eye over it [the pyramid] and the motto Annuit Coeptis allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favor of the American cause."[3]

Hence, the motto and the Eye of Providence both alluded to the same reality. The Eye of Providence was commonly understood as a symbol for God and destiny. Hence, Annuit Coeptis is translated by the U.S. State Department, The U.S. Mint,[4] and the U.S. Treasury[5] as "He (God) has favored our undertakings." (brackets in original).[6]

"Annuit Coeptis" and the other motto on the reverse of the Great Seal, "Novus Ordo Seclorum," can both be traced to lines by the Roman poet Virgil. "Annuit Coeptis" comes from the Aeneid, book IX, line 625, which reads, "Iuppiter omnipotens, audacibus adnue coeptis." It is a prayer by Ascanius, the son of the hero of the story, Aeneas, which translates to, "Jupiter Almighty, favour [my] daring undertakings." According to the ancient state religion of Rome, properly called the Cultus Deorum Romanum, Jupiter was head of the pantheon of Gods.





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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #85 on: December 03, 2007, 10:35:49 AM »
Here is more, in the True Adonis fashion....

You want more? I can copy/paste all day...
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ANNUIT COEPTIS – Origin and Meaning
of the Motto Above the Eye
Secretary of Congress Charles Thomson suggested "Annuit Coeptis" when he put together the final design of the Great Seal in June 1782.

He placed the motto at the top of the Seal's reverse side, where its meaning is associated with the Eye of Providence in a triangle surrounded by light rays.

Thomson did not provide an exact translation of the motto, but he explained its symbolism: The Eye and the motto Annuit Coeptis "allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause."

"Signal" means unusual, notable, outstanding.
"Interposition" means intervention. (In this case, a divine intervention.)

 Many leaders of the American Revolution felt that Providence had a hand in securing their Independence, particularly George Washington who often referred to the "smiles of Providence."

"I salute you Gentlemen most Affectionately, and beg leave to remind you, that Liberty, Honor, and Safety are all at stake, and I trust Providence will smile upon our Efforts, and establish us once more, the Inhabitants of a free and happy Country." (August 8, 1776)

"The many remarkable interpositions of the divine government. in the hours of our deepest distress and darkness, have been too luminous to suffer me to doubt the happy issue of the present contest." (March 26, 1781)

"The Commander in Chief earnestly recommends that the troops not on duty should universally attend with that seriousness of Deportment and gratitude of Heart which the recognition of such reiterated and astonishing interpositions of Providence demand of us." (October 20, 1781)


Translating ANNUIT COEPTIS

Annuit means to nod assent, to favor, to smile upon.
Coeptis means undertakings, endeavors, beginnings.

Annuit coeptis means "favors (lit., gives the nod to) undertakings." The subject must be supplied. Who favors? The Eye (Providence) does.
The verb annuit can be either present tense or perfect tense, therefore an accurate translation of the motto is: "Providence favors our undertakings" or "Providence has favored our undertakings." (The word "our" is supplied.)

(It has also been translated as: "He favors our undertakings" or "He has prospered our endeavors.")

The meaning of this motto is better understood when seen in its original classical context.

Discover the source of Annuit Coeptis.
 


On June 20, 1782, Congress approved Thomson's design for both sides of the Great Seal, whose official description states:

"A Pyramid unfinished. In the Zenith
an Eye in a triangle surrounded with a glory proper.
Over the Eye these words 'Annuit Cœptis'."

NOTE: "Coeptis" is interchangeable with "cœptis." That "œ" is an example of a ligature where two letters are combined into a single character.

"Annuit" does not mean "to announce" (which is annuntio).

Annuit Coeptis reflects the mottoes suggested for the third committee's reverse side
and Ben Franklin's suggestion for the first committee's reverse.


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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2007, 01:04:19 PM »
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2007, 01:27:40 PM »
For worse. He is anti gay and pro big business. He is pro christian. He is no better then bush.

Big difference between Dr Paul and Pres Bush.
Dr Paul is an actual MD, while Bush can't spell doctor.
Dr Paul is for ending the IRS,, ending the war in Iraq and is a true fiscal conservative.
Pres Bush ended up being a corperate pawn and useing BIG gov to give major finanical favors to big oil and millitary contractors.
I support Dr Paul, he has nearly 20 yrs in congress and stellar record on voting to cut spending and to preserve the individual liberty we cherish.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2007, 06:32:12 PM »
Big difference between Dr Paul and Pres Bush.
Dr Paul is an actual MD, while Bush can't spell doctor.
Dr Paul is for ending the IRS,, ending the war in Iraq and is a true fiscal conservative.
Pres Bush ended up being a corperate pawn and useing BIG gov to give major finanical favors to big oil and millitary contractors.
I support Dr Paul, he has nearly 20 yrs in congress and stellar record on voting to cut spending and to preserve the individual liberty we cherish.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2007, 07:01:53 PM »
its great that all of you guys are supporint somebody and gettig active. and i wouldnt dissuade you from trying your best to help ron paul get the repub. nomination; however, he isnt going to win that nomination. no way will he do it. 

so i ask you guys, out of the peopl who actually have a chance (hillary, obama, edwards, guliana, romney, huckabee) who do you guys support?

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2007, 07:23:19 PM »
Adonis, stop trying to run down Ron Paul...Mike Gravel likes Ron Paul and agrees with him on many issues.  Instead of being your typical divisive self, give Ron Paul a little credit for being head and shoulders above the other Republican and Democratic talking heads.  I found this posted on Mike's own website for a rally being held here in LA on Dec. 10th.  I am a Ron Paul supporter but also have immense respect for Mike Gravel and will be attending this rally.

http://www.interiorstate.com/gravel.htm

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2007, 07:27:26 PM »
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however, he isnt going to win that nomination. no way will he do it. 

This is part of the problem with our country right now.  The propaganda machines known as Fox, CNN and the like have convinced you and many others that Ron Paul doesn't have a chance.  Why doesn't he have a shot?  Why buy into what they want you to believe so you go vote for a candidate who you don't have much confidence in?  The polls right now mean nothing - other candidates have won the nomination with less support than Ron Paul has right now at this point in the campaign.  I've watched the debates and found most of these so called "mainstream" candidates open their mouths without saying anything substantial. 
 

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2007, 07:30:26 PM »
Adonis, stop trying to run down Ron Paul...Mike Gravel likes Ron Paul and agrees with him on many issues.  Instead of being your typical divisive self, give Ron Paul a little credit for being head and shoulders above the other Republican and Democratic talking heads.  I found this posted on Mike's own website for a rally being held here in LA on Dec. 10th.  I am a Ron Paul supporter but also have immense respect for Mike Gravel and will be attending this rally.

http://www.interiorstate.com/gravel.htm
ron paul is head and shoulders above ALL of the other candidates? lol. com one now...Biden, Obama, and Edwards are all unquestionably better candidates for the oval office than ron paul. i would argue that dodd, kucinich, and mccain are all better as well; but i would only argue that, its not as unquestionable...


This is part of the problem with our country right now.
i completely agree. the publishing of the polls is horrible for the oval office...it takes away all competition, and limits the office to those with ample amounts of money and news coverage. but sadyly, thats how american politics is done right now. its reality that ron pual doesnt have a chance.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #93 on: December 04, 2007, 07:38:23 PM »
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its reality that ron pual doesnt have a chance.

I disagree with you on this.  Ron Paul represents the views of many, many people who are very passionate about his candidacy. The lack of direction from the leaders of this country is leading to a disaster.  Which of the "mainstream" candidates do you actually think has the sack to make a difference?  Obama and Edwards are nothing but professional politicians, not representatives of the people.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #94 on: December 04, 2007, 07:58:19 PM »
I disagree with you on this.  Ron Paul represents the views of many, many people who are very passionate about his candidacy. The lack of direction from the leaders of this country is leading to a disaster.  Which of the "mainstream" candidates do you actually think has the sack to make a difference?  Obama and Edwards are nothing but professional politicians, not representatives of the people.
edwards is a GOOD politician. obama, however, is not. obama is very good in isolated circumstances. (ex= dem convention 2004),, but on the whole he is very poor at "politics'. if he was on the same level as hillary or edwards or guliani...he would have the lead by 30%.   

i think hillary and guliani and two of the only people who are actually more of the same old, actually. most of the other candidates are pretty genuine...with the top of the list(in amount of sincerity) being#1 mccain #2 obama #3kusinich
4#gravel #6paul #5 huckabee #6edwards   IMO

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2007, 04:36:27 AM »
If Ron Paul doesnt win the nomination, i see no point in voting for someone else...If im wrong on this, then can someone point out why?

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2007, 05:28:04 AM »
If Ron Paul doesnt win the nomination, i see no point in voting for someone else...If im wrong on this, then can someone point out why?
Because Mike Gravel is a better choice.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2007, 10:47:07 AM »
Take a look at this flyer from Mike Gravel's website Adonis.  Stop hating on Ron Paul.

http://www.interiorstate.com/gravel.htm

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2007, 12:08:48 PM »
I wonder if the Ron Paul phenomenon isn't the same thing as the big hype over Ross Perot.  People who are dissatisfied with the two major parties are desperate to find something or more specifically someone to believe in.  Ron Paul can be anything they want or need, what is the psychological term for this, is it projection. He plays the role as the classic outsider who supporters hope has been beyond the corruption of mainstream politics and people eat that up.   On another note, I have not even made my decision yet so I don't have a horse in this race yet.  I can say I am not a fan of Hilary and many of the Republican candidates are just bush lite and I personally have had enough of his antics.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2007, 01:13:29 PM »
Take a look at this flyer from Mike Gravel's website Adonis.  Stop hating on Ron Paul.

http://www.interiorstate.com/gravel.htm

That's an awesome vid. I love the Bill Hicks intro. In an ideal America this race would be between Gravel and Paul, in which case I would most likely vote for Gravel because he has a LOT of courage and is very assertive in the debates, which, unfortunetely, caused him to lose his invite for the last Democratic debates. Ron Paul is open on all issues but doesn't openly attack other candidates with stinging criticisms.
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