A deadlift is not really an explosive movement and is purely for strength. I think the term "powerlifting" is a bit misleading. A good power definition is: the time rate at which work is done or energy is transferred. I don't see the need to use speed to get the bar off the floor in the deadlift or speed to get out of a hole in a squat...it's used, but not like it is in traditional olympic (power) lifts.
I agree that BB Cleans are rarely done properly but I can't understand why you would say that clean are not "worth it" if they are not executed with precise form. I have plenty of clients perform db cleans, sandbag cleans and med ball cleans at various different rep ranges and I have yet to have a problem.
I think you make many great points and I'm merely trying to foster debate on this topic.
thankyou for the compliment and yes, i appreciate intelligent debate (makes for a welcome change on this site).
i agree that cleans can be a very good movement for explosive power and strength, but as i said, i've rarely seen them done with correct technique or enough explosive power, by anyone but those that are skilled in the movement.
thing is, i want to be skilled at my sport. there are so many other ways of developing sports specific power and speed for my sport.
i disagree with your assessment of compound movements like d/lifts and squats. it's true that powerlifters perform the rom slowly, but good luck pulling or squatting your true potential limits without moving through the plane of motion as fast as you can. powerlifters are very aware that without explosive speed applied, you are not going to reach your potential. ask louie simmons or andy bolton how important explosive speed is.
what i find great about using very heavy p/lifting movements for my sport is that you can still move as fast as you can through the compound movement, but the ballistic motion is controlled by the weight. imo, if you are moving as fast as you can regardless of the weight, you can develop excellent power and strength.
put it this way, if you can pull 900lbs off the rack, you're going to pull 200lbs a lot faster than a guy purely speed training with the pull if his limit weight is 300lbs.
as complex as some wish to make it (and i believe that's a mistake when you're talking about strength and power), power is still defined simply as strength x speed.
when you're talking about transferrence of energy, imo, that in itself is a skill best reserved for more sports specific movements ie if i want to develop more power in a left hook or a round house kick, what i want to be doing is performing brief intervals of perfect timing and technique aimed at causing the greatest impact with those strikes. transferrence of weight, torquing the hips, rotating the shoulders, etc, etc, all must be done with with perfect body mechanics and timing of transferrence. if i rotate the shoulders without rotating the hips first, the power dissipates.
what i want from my weight lifting is as much strength as possible anyway. for my sport, i develop the technique first, then apply speed and explosive movements ie plyometrics, heavy bag, focus mits, shooting with rubber bands, etc and with the added strength (as long as i haven't compromised my technique/movement with unbalanced or excess body mass) the power comes along nicely.
in any case, maximum strength potential is not something you just get when you follow a + b imo. otherwise, why on earth would bber and p/Lifters have to kill themselves in the gym and take steroids. this is the thing i just don't get. when an athlete just 'does his strength work because its required' they rarely show much for it. i take my strength work seriously out of camp and then when i want to fine tune everything and prepare for a bout, other things become more important and gaining
more strength and power takes a back seat. the best case scenario in my experience is that i
maintain the extra strength gained. if you're actually increasing strength in camp you obviously didn't take strength work seriously when it mattered.