Raw eggs undigestable?

[candidizzle]

i am not sure..i tend to believe that what is found in nature is best. if we were animals(which we are)..we would not have access to a skillet and to a heating source...so how could we cook the eggs in order to eat them; if that isindeed the way to eat them? we couldnt cook them. so i think that eating them raw would in theory be BETTER, but since nature CAN be improved upon by man...it is possible that altering the egg wit heat and cooking could improve its protein availability, BUT at the least..i think its safe to say that eating them raw is OKAY, because that is the way they are in nature and the way we would hav eaten them before moern technology....and the amount of time on an evolutionary scale since the advent of the cooking with silets is very short..short enough that our digestiv system still works the same way that it did baack when we were always eating them raw.

[Necrosis]

i am not sure..i tend to believe that what is found in nature is best. if we were animals(which we are)..we would not have access to a skillet and to a heating source...so how could we cook the eggs in order to eat them; if that isindeed the way to eat them? we couldnt cook them. so i think that eating them raw would in theory be BETTER, but since nature CAN be improved upon by man...it is possible that altering the egg wit heat and cooking could improve its protein availability, BUT at the least..i think its safe to say that eating them raw is OKAY, because that is the way they are in nature and the way we would hav eaten them before moern technology....and the amount of time on an evolutionary scale since the advent of the cooking with silets is very short..short enough that our digestiv system still works the same way that it did baack when we were always eating them raw.

if you take your argument to its logical conclusion you would see that we never ate chicken eggs. diets where mostly nuts, seeds, fruits and large breeding animals. since fire we have been cooking. i agree with you that raw food is better in most cases, but i doubt alot of people eat raw. society forces us to cook. it sucks.

if you get salmonella i promise you, you will not eat raw eggs again, you not only shit but have aches and pains, vomit, and are generally sick to your stomach for a couple days to a week or more. i had it, it was awful as fuck, i vomitted about 8 times one night and was in awful pain.

[busyB]

if you get salmonella i promise you, you will not eat raw eggs again, you not only shit but have aches and pains, vomit, and are generally sick to your stomach for a couple days to a week or more. i had it, it was awful as fuck, i vomitted about 8 times one night and was in awful pain.

How did you come about getting the salmonella? Were you an avid egg drinker and one day, boom, hell broke loose??

[Emmortal]

One of my friends old roomate died from salmonella poisoning, it's not just something you can suck up and deal with.

[Go 4 It]

I drank 4 eggs today with a little bit of milk (one at a time) and I gotta say, it filled me up...I usually eat anywhere between 7 and 12 eggs (scrambled) for breakfast and usually I'm still hungry after, but I must say I was full and didn't have to wash dishes and the pan to cook with, and no stomach problems so far...

[jdooly]

I know I've stated this before but:  for the past 2 months, I'm eating 5-7 dozen egg whites per week, all being drank raw.  Either mixed with ice-cream/sherbert/frozen yogurt for flavor, or, whites/splenda/cinnamon, all of which get mixed in a blender.  Maybe I'm pushing my luck but I haven't had a problem.  jd.

[Go 4 It]

In one of the above post's about the benefits of raw eggs, it says not to use a blender or blend the egg, for some reason..

[Swedish Viking]

   yea, when you blend them they oxidize and become less bio-available.  I sometimes make raw egg smoothies with fruit and un-pasteurized butter.  I blend everything with just the whites and then at the very end, I throw the yolks in for just two seconds or so-the yolks are the most important part. 
   Raw eggs are definitely more digestable than cooked.  I have heard of developing a possible biotin deficiency from eating too many raw egg whites, but I really know next to nothing about it or even what biotin is.  That's the truth.
   If you eat sustainably farmed, organic or better raw eggs, the chances of finding one with salmonella is like 1 in 30,000 or something like that-I cited that on a research paper I wrote.  But even if you come into contact with salmonella-that is not what get's you sick, what get's you sick is your body's inability to handle it.  The problem is always your weakness, not the strength of the environment you live in.  We all come into contact with salmonella all the time.  Most of us don't get sick because most of us have already developed immunity from years of handling raw meat, getting licked by our dogs, horsing around outside...etc.

[Necrosis]

   yea, when you blend them they oxidize and become less bio-available.  I sometimes make raw egg smoothies with fruit and un-pasteurized butter.  I blend everything with just the whites and then at the very end, I throw the yolks in for just two seconds or so-the yolks are the most important part. 
   Raw eggs are definitely more digestable than cooked.  I have heard of developing a possible biotin deficiency from eating too many raw egg whites, but I really know next to nothing about it or even what biotin is.  That's the truth.
   If you eat sustainably farmed, organic or better raw eggs, the chances of finding one with salmonella is like 1 in 30,000 or something like that-I cited that on a research paper I wrote.  But even if you come into contact with salmonella-that is not what get's you sick, what get's you sick is your body's inability to handle it.  The problem is always your weakness, not the strength of the environment you live in.  We all come into contact with salmonella all the time.  Most of us don't get sick because most of us have already developed immunity from years of handling raw meat, getting licked by our dogs, horsing around outside...etc.

incorrect,  viruses and bacteria are more evolved then our immune system because by nature they have to in order to survive. toxins have many different reactions in the body. you rarely develope adaptive immunity to bacteria, mostly to a virus. bacterial infections like salmonella will make you sick most of the time, its a quantitiy issue like you indicate but unless your immune system is superhuman, drinking anything with detectable amounts of active salmonella will make you sick. thats like saying that the reason we get botulism is only because we are weak, its  a two way street, but if theres enough of it, your immune system will not be able to do a thing.

[busyB]

incorrect,  viruses and bacteria are more evolved then our immune system because by nature they have to in order to survive. toxins have many different reactions in the body. you rarely develope adaptive immunity to bacteria, mostly to a virus. bacterial infections like salmonella will make you sick most of the time, its a quantitiy issue like you indicate but unless your immune system is superhuman, drinking anything with detectable amounts of active salmonella will make you sick. thats like saying that the reason we get botulism is only because we are weak, its  a two way street, but if theres enough of it, your immune system will not be able to do a thing.

Smoke, curious as to how you got your salmonella? Freak thing or were you an avid raw egger too?

I appriciate your knowledge man so steer me in the right direction!

[Necrosis]

Smoke, curious as to how you got your salmonella? Freak thing or were you an avid raw egger too?

I appriciate your knowledge man so steer me in the right direction!

i got it from undercooked chicken, when i was eating it after a few mouthfulls i knew the chicken was undercooked. it was covered in sauce so i couldnt see if it was pink. i wasnt feeling well that night and the next night it really hit me, and i was stomach sick for 4 days and lost ten pounds, mostly water etc. you can get it from anything like fruit that isnt washed etc.. but eggs do give you better chances of getting it, albeit slim. i was just trying to point out how unpleasant the infection can be.


your chances of getting salmonella from raw eggs is slim, i would agree with that. but its not pleasant and it ranges in severity, sometimes requiring meds an hospitalization. if your really concerned and you want to continue eating raw eggs you could supplement your diet with probiotics as particular strains have shown potent immune enhancing effects in the gut, with regards to toxins, bacteria etc.. they almost have the efficacy that medical intervention does on some levels for this thing.


if i want protein i would just eat shakes, i tend to eat more real food and two shakes a day, i really dont see the benefit of raw eggs, or egg protein powder for instance.

[busyB]

i got it from undercooked chicken, when i was eating it after a few mouthfulls i knew the chicken was undercooked. it was covered in sauce so i couldnt see if it was pink. i wasnt feeling well that night and the next night it really hit me, and i was stomach sick for 4 days and lost ten pounds, mostly water etc. you can get it from anything like fruit that isnt washed etc.. but eggs do give you better chances of getting it, albeit slim. i was just trying to point out how unpleasant the infection can be.


your chances of getting salmonella from raw eggs is slim, i would agree with that. but its not pleasant and it ranges in severity, sometimes requiring meds an hospitalization. if your really concerned and you want to continue eating raw eggs you could supplement your diet with probiotics as particular strains have shown potent immune enhancing effects in the gut, with regards to toxins, bacteria etc.. they almost have the efficacy that medical intervention does on some levels for this thing.


if i want protein i would just eat shakes, i tend to eat more real food and two shakes a day, i really dont see the benefit of raw eggs, or egg protein powder for instance.

Good stuff, thanks man..

I am firm believer in enzymes, probiotics and green blends as well. Never got into the raw egg deal, just not worth it to me plus the texture creeps me out.

[Emmortal]

I down a cup of them in the morning with my oats + banana.  The texture doesn't bother me really because I just open the hatch and pour the whole thing down in at once.  I'm not a fan of eating them any other time of the day though, I try to avoid drinking too many shakes and stick with real food.  I can't down 12oz of chicken in the morning, it just doesn't "feel" right to me heh.

[Necrosis]

Good stuff, thanks man..

I am firm believer in enzymes, probiotics and green blends as well. Never got into the raw egg deal, just not worth it to me plus the texture creeps me out.

if you like improving digestion which i think is key then you might want to have a look into bitters and carminitives. bitters are great before meals and reduce gas and bloating, and releases enzymes more bile etc.. great addition and for like 10 bucks of gentian lutea you will get months worth.

[busyB]

if you like improving digestion which i think is key then you might want to have a look into bitters and carminitives. bitters are great before meals and reduce gas and bloating, and releases enzymes more bile etc.. great addition and for like 10 bucks of gentian lutea you will get months worth.

I assume I can "google" all that....will take a look man.

All those years of eating so much and not always clean of course, it is time to work on the intestinal tract!! Not so much interested in Raw Eggs per say but overall gut health is key as we get older.

[Necrosis]

I assume I can "google" all that....will take a look man.

All those years of eating so much and not always clean of course, it is time to work on the intestinal tract!! Not so much interested in Raw Eggs per say but overall gut health is key as we get older.

you should be able too, if your having trouble finding info and are interested pm me and ill hook you up with some information. any natural health store should have bitters, they are great for digestion, perhaps the best thing and they are often under used.

[BFP]

ok, here I am.  I didn't see this before...I would have jumped all over it.  I am up to about 24 raw eggs daily at the max.  I don't think I'll go higher than that, in fact I might cut back just a bit because 12 at a time seems like about 2-4 too many.  Anyway, we have all read a million reports on salmonella poisoning and what not-some even going so far as to say that even eating anything raw is taking too much of a risk.  If you are curious, why not figure it out for yourself?  You can't know until you know.  But keep this in mind: we are not these weak, useless, fragile beings that everyone seems to think we are.  Some might be more fragile than others because they've been spending their lives sterilyzing everything and cooking their entire existance, but that can be reversed.  Our bodies are animals.   

You having any joint pain/inflammation issues from that many eggs?  Im assuming whole eggs here.

Jason

[Swedish Viking]

Nope. Always whole eggs.

[Necrosis]

Nope. Always whole eggs.

so much omega 6 there man. your really hindering your results in the gym i would imagine. pro inflammation and causing inflammation externally are a combo of low recovery.


it really makes no sense to drink whole eggs versus whites other then some phosphaditylcholine which you can get many other places, plus thats a ton of cholesterol. while it doesnt have a huge effect on serum chol, it still offers problems at really high amounts like your taking

[Swedish Viking]

Thanks for the heads up, but as it stands right now I am cool with the way I am doing things.  If anything changes, I will make the necessary changes. 

[Necrosis]

Thanks for the heads up, but as it stands right now I am cool with the way I am doing things.  If anything changes, I will make the necessary changes. 

more then likely nothing will ever happen, its just prophalaxsis really. but its just being on the side of caution. but if your taking fish oil, and flax etc... you shoud be right as rain.

[candidizzle]

i am interested in knowing what the limit for extra benefits from the egg yolk is at? right now i eat 6 eggs in the morning, half whites half whole eggs.   do you think i am missig out on any benefits from the egg yolk by not consuming more than that? i thought maybe three yolks would be plenty to give me all the possible benefits from the egg fat/cholestrol/arachidonic acid...

a little help please.

[ngm21084]

You having any joint pain/inflammation issues from that many eggs?  Im assuming whole eggs here.

Jason

bro thats ridiculous 24 raw eggs in one day...guy must eat like 5 pounds of raw red meat a day too you know cause our bodies are animals...DAMN

[Necrosis]

i am interested in knowing what the limit for extra benefits from the egg yolk is at? right now i eat 6 eggs in the morning, half whites half whole eggs.   do you think i am missig out on any benefits from the egg yolk by not consuming more than that? i thought maybe three yolks would be plenty to give me all the possible benefits from the egg fat/cholestrol/arachidonic acid...

a little help please.

id be more worried about the negative effects of egg yolks at that level.  your body can synthesize chol and chol esters extremely easy and uses LCAT AND ACAT quite efficiently to store other useful forms. i would doubt that any more then 3-5 yolks gives diminishing returns. your looking at good effects from phosphatidylcholine on memory, relaxation as well as for use in many psysiological processes.  so your fine.


the negs are that omega 6 is not needed in your diet, dont go out of your way. i assume you eat alot of meat etc. so omega 6 is abundent. omega 6(some like the shit in yolks) acutally causes inflammation, and the main underpinning in all disease for the most part is inflammation. heart disease, asthma, lupus are all forms of inflammation. plus your working out causing inflammation, i would opt for more omega 3 and anti inflammatories. people eat way to much o6 and far too little o3 these days.

your fine. up the fish oil, and keep the yolks the same. if you looking for a good 06 add borage oil. and if your wondering about borage it does contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids which many know to be hepatoxic, but they are saturated(maybe unsat, cant really remember) so they pose no threat. plus it has high levels of GLA which is great for bodybuilders and for recover, immune, and inflammation.

[busyB]

id be more worried about the negative effects of egg yolks at that level.  your body can synthesize chol and chol esters extremely easy and uses LCAT AND ACAT quite efficiently to store other useful forms. i would doubt that any more then 3-5 yolks gives diminishing returns. your looking at good effects from phosphatidylcholine on memory, relaxation as well as for use in many psysiological processes.  so your fine.


the negs are that omega 6 is not needed in your diet, dont go out of your way. i assume you eat alot of meat etc. so omega 6 is abundent. omega 6(some like the shit in yolks) acutally causes inflammation, and the main underpinning in all disease for the most part is inflammation. heart disease, asthma, lupus are all forms of inflammation. plus your working out causing inflammation, i would opt for more omega 3 and anti inflammatories. people eat way to much o6 and far too little o3 these days.

your fine. up the fish oil, and keep the yolks the same. if you looking for a good 06 add borage oil. and if your wondering about borage it does contain pyrrolizidine alkaloids which many know to be hepatoxic, but they are saturated(maybe unsat, cant really remember) so they pose no threat. plus it has high levels of GLA which is great for bodybuilders and for recover, immune, and inflammation.

Great points, very informative.

Do you have any views or opinions on Udo 3-6-9 oil? I have been to one of his seminars and other than being a total loon, he had some good research. Granted, that was based on his own situation with an illness he developed. Can't remember what it was but his big thing is to have  a 2:1 ratio of 3 to 6's which is why he said flax oil is off target with their ratios.

I can not eat fish for the life of me so I use this in my shakes and as salad dressing. Also contains, flax, borage, safflower, and a few others that are escaping me right now.