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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #125 on: January 02, 2008, 01:37:53 PM »
The following is a list of professional and university economists, that endorse the FairTax Plan.

(Decker wants you to believe they are either stupid, or have an ulterior motive )

Donald L. Alexander
Professor of Economics
Western Michigan University
Wayne Angell
Angell Economics
Jim Araji
Professor of Agricultural
Economics
University of Idaho
Ray Ball
Graduate School of Business
University of Chicago
Roger J. Beck
Professor Emeritus
Southern Illinois University,
Carbondale
John J. Bethune
Kennedy Chair of Free
Enterprise
Barton College
David M. Brasington
Louisiana State University
Jack A. Chambless
Professor of Economics
Valencia College
Christopher K. Coombs
Louisiana State University
William J. Corcoran, Ph.D.
University of Nebraska at
Omaha
Eleanor D. Craig
Economics Department
University of Delaware
Susan Dadres, Ph.D.
Department of Economics
Southern Methodist University
Henry Demmert
Santa Clara University
Arthur De Vany
Professor Emeritus
Economics and Mathematical
Behavioral Sciences
University of California, Irvine
Pradeep Dubey
Leading Professor
Center for Game Theory
Dept. of Economics
SUNY at Stony Brook
Demissew Diro Ejara
William Paterson University of
New Jersey
Patricia J. Euzent
Department of Economics
University of Central Florida
John A. Flanders
Professor of Business and
Economics
Central Methodist University
Richard H. Fosberg, Ph.D.
William Paterson University
Gary L. French, Ph.D.
Senior Vice President
Nathan Associates Inc.
Professor James Frew
Economics Department
Willamette University
K. K. Fung
University of Memphis
Satya J. Gabriel, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics and
Finance
Mount Holyoke College
Dave Garthoff
Summit College
The University of Akron
Ronald D. Gilbert
Associate Professor of
Economics
Texas Tech University
Philip E. Graves
Department of Economics
University of Colorado
Bettina Bien Greaves, Retired
Foundation for Economic
Education
John Greenhut, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Finance & Business Economics
School of Global Management
and Leadership
Arizona State University
Darrin V. Gulla
Dept. of Economics
University of Georgia
Jon Halvorson
Assistant Professor of
Economics
Indiana University of
Pennsylvania
Reza G. Hamzaee, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics &
Applied Decision Sciences
Department of Economics
Missouri Western State College
James M. Hvidding
Professor of Economics
Kutztown University
F. Jerry Ingram, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics and
Finance
The University of Louisiana-
Monroe
Drew Johnson
Fellow
Davenport Institute for Public
Policy
Pepperdine University
Steven J. Jordan
Visiting Assistant Professor
Virginia Tech
Department of Economics
Richard E. Just
University of Maryland
Dr. Michael S. Kaylen
Associate Professor
University of Missouri
David L. Kendall
Professor of Economics and
Finance
University of Virginia's College
at Wise
Peter M. Kerr
Professor of Economics
Southeast Missouri State
University
Miles Spencer Kimball
Professor of Economics
University of Michigan
James V. Koch
Department of Economics
Old Dominion University
Laurence J. Kotlikoff
Professor of Economics
Boston University
Edward J. López
Assistant Professor
University of North Texas
Franklin Lopez
Tulane University
Salvador Lopez
University of West Georgia
Yuri N. Maltsev, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
Carthage College
Glenn MacDonald
John M. Olin Distinguished
Professor of Economics and
Strategy
Washington University in St.
Louis
Dr. John Merrifield,
Professor of Economics
University of Texas-San
Antonio
Dr. Matt Metzgar
Mount Union College
Carlisle Moody
Department of Economics
College of William and Mary
Andrew P. Morriss
Galen J. Roush Professor of
Business Law & Regulation
Case Western Reserve
University School of Law
Timothy Perri
Department of Economics
Appalachian State University
Mark J. Perry
School of Management and
Department of Economics
University of Michigan-Flint
Timothy Peterson
Assistant Professor
Economics and Management
Department
Gustavus Adolphus College
Ben Pierce
Central Missouri State
University
Michael K. Pippenger, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of
Economics
University of Alaska
Robert Piron
Professor of Economics
Oberlin College
Mattias Polborn
Department of Economics
University of Illinois
Joseph S. Pomykala, Ph.D.
Department of Economics
Towson University
Barry Popkin
University of North Carolina-
Chapel Hill
Steven W. Rick
Lecturer, University of
Wisconsin
Senior Economist, Credit Union
National Association
Paul H. Rubin
Samuel Candler Dobbs
Professor of Economics & Law
Department of Economics
Emory Univeristy
John Ruggiero
University of Dayton
Michael K. Salemi
Bowman and Gordon Gray
Professor of Economics
University of North Carolina at
Chapel Hill
Dr. Carole E. Scott
Richards College of Business
State University of West
Georgia
Carlos Seiglie
Dept. of Economics
Rutgers University
John Semmens
Economist
Phoenix College
Arizona
Alan C. Shapiro
Ivadelle and Theodore Johnson
Professor of Banking and
Finance
Marshall School of Business
University of Southern
California
Dr. Stephen Shmanske
Professor of Economics
California State University,
Hayward
James F. Smith
University of North Carolina-
Chapel Hill
Vernon L. Smith
Economist
W. James Smith
Dean of Liberal Arts and
Sciences and Professor of
Economics
University of Colorado at
Denver
John C. Soper
Boler School of Business
John Carroll University
Roger Spencer
Professor of Economics
Trinity University
Daniel A. Sumner, Director,
University of California
Agricultural Issues Center
and the Frank H. Buck, Jr.,
Chair Professor,
Department of Agricultural and
Resource Economics,
University of California, Davis
Curtis R. Taylor
Professor of Economics and
Business
Duke University
Robert Vigil
Analysis Group, Inc.
John H. Wicks, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
Department of Economics
University of Montana
F. Scott Wilson, Ph.D.
Canisius College
Mokhlis Y. Zaki
Professor of Economics
Emeritus
Northern Michigan University






Democrat Mike Gravel - On Fair Tax


Mike Gravel - Plan to Fix the Tax Structure


Ron Paul on taxes


Dave Ramsey Supports the Fair Tax


John Stossel speaks to the Fair Tax Rally


Ken Hoagland explains the Fair-Tax Initiative.










So which it is Decker Dummy, are these  people who endorse the Fair Tax idiots too ?




And dont forget,
  Decker is a bloodsucking Tax Lawyer, who makes a living out of people having  problems with the current tax code.

So Do any of you on GetBig really think Decker would be for a new Fair Tax system, that would do away with individuals and businesses having to file taxes, and needing his services ?

I think even the dumbest of the dumb can figure this one out, the answer is HELL NO ! ! ! 



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Tap a tap a tap tap tap tap.

I love the way you tap dance around any meaningful debate. 

Argument by authority. 

See, look at the people Ozark listed.  They all can't be as dumb as him or have an ulterior motive.  Why not?  Libertarians love shit like the Flat/Fair Tax Scam b/c in effect, it shrinks government due to lack of funding and it rids the country of progressive tax rates which hit high-end earners. Greenspan likes flat taxes too.  That Fraud The Heritage Foundation is full of Fair Tax Supporters as is the quasi-libertarian think-tank the Cato Institute.

So now you force me to repost this:

Ozark, either you are going to address the math that shows the Fair Tax to be a flat tax scam that hurts the poor and middle class or you're going to continue posting irrelevant shit based on cooked numbers.

What's it going to be?

We know these things to be true about the Flat/Fair Tax Scam:

1.  The Fair Tax assumptions INCLUDE sales tax the government pays to itself.  That's double dipping aka a Ponzi Scheme.  For the moment, the true rate of taxation is 31% and not 23%

2.  It is extremely likely that the IRS will still exist with more work than ever before b/c of this "transparent and simple tax" (See Reply #122 in this thread)

3.  The true Fair Sales Tax is 38% (8% from the inclusion of Gov. paying itself + 7% for treating the inclusive tax as exclusive).  As an inclusive sales tax, the tax is 30% on purchases of all services and all new products - Sec 1 (b) (2).  The Bill requires that the NST be printed on the cash register receipt - Sec 510.  You buy an Item.  The receipt states: "$1.00 Item", "$0.30 NST", "$1.30 Total".

I've shown you the questionable math and faulty reasoning your Fair Tax Scam is based on:

--The Gov counts the taxes it pays to itself as "income" even though you claim it's a revenue-neutral tax.  That's what we in the real world call a Ponzi Scheme.

--The Laffer Paper you posted admits that the actual Rate of Tax is 30% (see page 5) then it engages in the same irrelevant comparison with Income tax.  Apples and oranges my friend.

Why should I believe you about the Fair Tax?  You've used obviously cooked numbers and methodology....You really believe that an inclusive Flat Tax is not inclusive and does not have the regressive effects of all flat taxes.  You really believe no federal system for audit or enforcement will be necessary.  You really believe that, after cutting everybody's taxes and paying out almost half a trillion dollars in prebates, there will be no shortfall in Tax Revenue to the Government?

I have to say, you sure sound like a first class rube to me.
 

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #126 on: January 02, 2008, 01:51:40 PM »
Update !


Dummy Decker,

A few day's ago, you agreed, and said you would like to take a vote on Getbig, to see who likes the idea of a Fair Tax, and who does not.
Well since that time, everyone who has stated an opinion on here, has been for it,  2- 0 ,  that means you lose , "Mr smarter than everybody Lawyer"  loses !  Shocked

2;) Or if you prefer to take the poll from the very beginning of this discussion, we can do that as well.

        For                                                        against
         Ozmo                                                          240
         Colossus 500                                                camel jockey
         BeachBum
         w8tlftr

and after the facts have been posted on here recently, it seems 240 and camel jockey have been silent, seems like they might have jumped from your ship, or at the very least, are not 100 % against it anymore.  but even counting them on your side, that is still 4-2, that still means Mr Big tax lawyer loses !    Shocked

3.)  And lastly, You came on GetBig, being "Mr big lawyer",  (you had to point it out on here that you were a tax lawyer, thinking that would impress us, but all it did was show your true intentions,  and you got called on it by me ) thinking you could easily  persuade all of us dumber than you, average joe's, as you are the smart one, the lawyer, but what happened ?   You lost !!    Shocked

So either the majority of people reading this believe the Fair Tax is a better system than our current,  or you suck at being a lawyer   Shocked


I think it is both !   :o   :o   :o







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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #127 on: January 02, 2008, 01:54:59 PM »
Update !


Dummy Decker,

A few day's ago, you agreed, and said you would like to take a vote on Getbig, to see who likes the idea of a Fair Tax, and who does not.
Well since that time, everyone who has stated an opinion on here, has been for it,  2- 0 ,  that means you lose , "Mr smarter than everybody Lawyer"  loses !  Shocked

2;) Or if you prefer to take the poll from the very beginning of this discussion, we can do that as well.

        For                                                        against
         Ozmo                                                          240
         Colossus 500                                                camel jockey
         BeachBum
         w8tlftr

and after the facts have been posted on here recently, it seems 240 and camel jockey have been silent, seems like they might have jumped from your ship, or at the very least, are not 100 % against it anymore.  but even counting them on your side, that is still 4-2, that still means Mr Big tax lawyer loses !    Shocked

3.)  And lastly, You came on GetBig, being "Mr big lawyer",  (you had to point it out on here that you were a tax lawyer, thinking that would impress us, but all it did was show your true intentions,  and you got called on it by me ) thinking you could easily  persuade all of us dumber than you, average joe's, as you are the smart one, the lawyer, but what happened ?   You lost !!    Shocked

So either the majority of people reading this believe the Fair Tax is a better system than our current,  or you suck at being a lawyer   Shocked


I think it is both !   :o   :o   :o







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Tap a tap a tap tap tap tap.

That's quite a two-step around the issues Ozark.

If I am wrong about the Flat/Fair Tax Scam, I will admit it b/c I am a man. 

You on the other hand, when faced with the facts, run like a frightened school girl....screaming that you've "won" as you run away.

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #128 on: January 02, 2008, 02:01:52 PM »
Decker Dummy,

I have been answering your questions for over a week now,   go back and read dipshit, maybe you might learn something.

You don't run GetBig, or anything for that matter, you are just a bloodsucking self-centered scum tax lawyer.

Want more info dummy decker ?  go to  www.fairtax.org

Once again,  You lost !   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o




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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #129 on: January 02, 2008, 02:03:31 PM »
Decker Dummy,

I have been answering your questions for over a week now,   go back and read dipshit, maybe you might learn something.

You don't run GetBig, or anyting for that matter, you are just a bloodsucking self centered scum tax lawyer.

Want more info dipshit ?  go to  www.fairtax.org

Once again,  You lost !   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o   :o






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Tap a tap a tap tap tap tap.

That's quite a two-step around the issues Ozark.

If I am wrong about the Flat/Fair Tax Scam, I will admit it b/c I am a man. 

You on the other hand, when faced with the facts, run like a frightened school girl....screaming that you've "won" as you run away.

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #130 on: January 02, 2008, 02:08:50 PM »
Quote
Tap a tap a tap tap tap tap.

That's quite a two-step around the issues Ozark.

If I am wrong about the Flat/Fair Tax Scam, I will admit it b/c I am a man.

You on the other hand, when faced with the facts, run like a frightened school girl....screaming that you've "won" as you run away.

I have answered all of those questions, and the one about the IRS going away 4 times now, you keep asking it, and I keep answering it , go back and re-read dummy, you might just learn something

You don't run GetBig, or anything for that matter, you are just a bloodsucking self-centered scum tax lawyer.

Want more info dipshit decker ?  go to  www.fairtax.org


Decker Dummy,  You lose ! ! ! ! !




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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #131 on: January 02, 2008, 02:24:42 PM »
I have answered all of those questions, and the one about the IRS going away 4 times now, you keep asking it, and I keep answering it , go back and re-read dummy, you might just learn something

You don't run GetBig, or anything for that matter, you are just a bloodsucking self-centered scum tax lawyer.

Want more info dipshit decker ?  go to  www.fairtax.org


Decker Dummy,  You lose ! ! ! ! !




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This is what I'm talking about.  You don't even know what you are posting.  You think that descriptions like "Transparent and Simple" are substitutes for fact-based argument.

Ozark, either you are going to address the math that shows the Fair Tax to be a flat tax scam that hurts the poor and middle class or you're going to continue posting irrelevant shit based on cooked numbers.

What's it going to be?

We know these things to be true about the Flat/Fair Tax Scam:

1.  The Fair Tax assumptions INCLUDE sales tax the government pays to itself.  That's double dipping aka a Ponzi Scheme.  For the moment, the true rate of taxation is 31% and not 23%

2.  It is extremely likely that the IRS will still exist with more work than ever before b/c of this "transparent and simple tax" (See Reply #122 in this thread)

3.  The true Fair Sales Tax is 38% (8% from the inclusion of Gov. paying itself + 7% for treating the inclusive tax as exclusive).  As an inclusive sales tax, the tax is 30% on purchases of all services and all new products - Sec 1 (b) (2).  The Bill requires that the NST be printed on the cash register receipt - Sec 510.  You buy an Item.  The receipt states: "$1.00 Item", "$0.30 NST", "$1.30 Total".
I've shown you the questionable math and faulty reasoning your Fair Tax Scam is based on:

--The Gov counts the taxes it pays to itself as "income" even though you claim it's a revenue-neutral tax.  That's what we in the real world call a Ponzi Scheme.

--The Laffer Paper you posted admits that the actual Rate of Tax is 30% (see page 5) then it engages in the same irrelevant comparison with Income tax.  Apples and oranges my friend.

Why should I believe you about the Fair Tax?  You've used obviously cooked numbers and methodology....You really believe that an inclusive Flat Tax is not inclusive and does not have the regressive effects of all flat taxes.  You really believe no federal system for audit or enforcement will be necessary.  You really believe that, after cutting everybody's taxes and paying out almost half a trillion dollars in prebates, there will be no shortfall in Tax Revenue to the Government?

I have to say, you sure sound like a first class rube to me.




Jeez, I'd settle for a straight answer from you on why the Flat/Fair Tax Scam counts Governmental payments of the tax to itself...i.e., a Ponzi Scheme.

For the love of God just answer that simple and transparent question.

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #132 on: January 02, 2008, 02:31:41 PM »
not only is Decker a bloodshucking self-centered scum tax lawyer,  but she is lazy too !

for the 5th time :


The FairTax reduces rather than increases the problem of tax evasion. The increased fairness, transparency, and legitimacy of the system induces more compliance. The roughly 90-percent reduction in filers enables tax administrators more narrowly and effectively to address noncompliance and increases the likelihood of tax evasion discovery. The relative simplicity of the FairTax promotes compliance. Businesses need answer only one question to determine the tax due: How much was sold to consumers? Finally, because tax rates decrease, tax evasion is less profitable; and because of the dramatic reduction in the number of tax filers, tax evaders are more easily monitored and caught under the FairTax system.


The truth: More than 80% of all tax returns are eliminated under the FairTax--every individual filing. What remains are retail outlets collecting the FairTax. Of these, 80 percent of all retails sales now occur at large retail chains like Wal-Mart. The point is oversight will still reside under the Treasury Department but the government's responsibility will be over a far smaller "universe" of tax collection points making compliance oversight far less costly and far more effective than the current system which costs $265 billion a year in compliance costs and still comes up $350 billion a year short of what is owed.

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #133 on: January 02, 2008, 02:39:14 PM »
not only is Decker a bloodshucking self-centered scum tax lawyer,  but she is lazy too !

for the 5th time :


The FairTax reduces rather than increases the problem of tax evasion. The increased fairness, transparency, and legitimacy of the system induces more compliance. The roughly 90-percent reduction in filers enables tax administrators more narrowly and effectively to address noncompliance and increases the likelihood of tax evasion discovery. The relative simplicity of the FairTax promotes compliance. Businesses need answer only one question to determine the tax due: How much was sold to consumers? Finally, because tax rates decrease, tax evasion is less profitable; and because of the dramatic reduction in the number of tax filers, tax evaders are more easily monitored and caught under the FairTax system.


The truth: More than 80% of all tax returns are eliminated under the FairTax--every individual filing. What remains are retail outlets collecting the FairTax. Of these, 80 percent of all retails sales now occur at large retail chains like Wal-Mart. The point is oversight will still reside under the Treasury Department but the government's responsibility will be over a far smaller "universe" of tax collection points making compliance oversight far less costly and far more effective than the current system which costs $265 billion a year in compliance costs and still comes up $350 billion a year short of what is owed.
So does the tax evasion answer or the elimination of 80% of tax returns (hell, let's make it a hundred %) answer my question about why Scammers like you include gov. taxes paid to the gov. itself in defining tax revenue under your scam?

Thank you for not answering any question I posed to you.

You've just confirmed to the world that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Your cutnpaste ass is done.

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #134 on: January 02, 2008, 02:52:07 PM »
Decker, I have answered, and re-answered your questions for close to a week now.

Everyday day I come on here, and see another message from you attacking the FairTax, and then I post a rebuttal, and then later when you have a free minute at work, you do the same back at me.

Now it seems that nobody is reading this message but you and I,  and yet we continue to go back and forth  :)

Look, here are the facts :

1.) you are a bloodsucking self-centered tax lawyer,

2.)  I am just an idiot.

3.) You and I are never gonna agree on the FairTax

4.)  lately, nobody else on GetBig seems to give a shit one way or the other .   ;D



We can continue on, back and forth, with no audience if you want,
or
We can agree to disagree, and stop wasting space on here.

It is up to you  :)


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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2008, 03:02:29 PM »
Decker, I have answered, and re-answered your questions for close to a week now.

Everyday day I come on here, and see another message from you attacking  the FairTax, and then I post a rebuttal, and then later when you have a free minute at work, you do the same back at me.

Now it seems that nobody is reading this message but you and I,  and yet we continue to go back and forth  :)

Look, here are the facts :

1.) you are a bloodsucking self-centered tax lawyer,

2.) and I am just an idiot.

3.)You and I are never gonna agree on the FairTax

4.)  lately, nobody else on GetBig seems gives us shit one way or the other .   ;D

Lets just agree to disagree, and stop wasting space on here.


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No no Ozark.  You came on here like piss in the wind, calling me names and acting like a general idiot, insulting what I do for a living although you have no idea what I do.  You did it just to be mean since I refused to agree with you.

You've answered nothing.  So I will repost one question to you.  We'll see what you're made of with your next answer.

Just explain away these numbers (which are taken from the Laffer Report that you posted):

Here is the first deception of the report.

Table 3: Estimated 2004 Revenues if the FairTax Proposal were in Effect on page 6 shows Personal Consumption Expenditures of $8,214.30 for the year and a net Fair Tax Revenue of $1,862.65.

Divide $1,862.65 by $8,214.30 and you get a 23% tax rate.

Wait a moment, what's that?

You are including sales tax revenues the government is paying itself?  But isn't this a revenue-neutral tax meaning that for every dollar that goes out as an expenditure, a dollar of revenue comes in?

So the government is paying itself and these scammers are counting that.  What a Ponzi Scheme. 

Let's do a little math.

$8,214.30 - $1,843.40 (total government consumption) = $6,370.90 (Personal Consumption Expenditures without the shady Gov. pays itself tactic).

What tax rate is that?  $1,862.65 divided by $6,370.90 = 29%

23% is not the same as 29% is it?

There's our first deception. 

Now let's add in Total Government Gross Investment from that same chart.  $372.50 + $1,843.40 = $2,215.90

$8,214.30 - 2,215.90 = $5,998.40

Divide $1,862.65 (Total Fair Tax Revenue) by $5,998.40 and you get: 31% as a REAL TAX RATE.  (This isn't including the 7% from the inclusive/exclusive debate).

Are those numbers wrong?  Why?

It has occurred to me that we are the only two people who've posted in open chat for hours on end.  That's just a bit weird. 

Oh well, I gotta work late tonight.



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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2008, 03:03:44 PM »
as you wish Decker Dummy   ;D

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Re: Huckabee campaigning for 23% sales tax
« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2008, 03:09:14 PM »
Representative John Linder and Senator Saxby Chambliss filed legislation in the form of H.R.
25/S. 1025, the Fair Tax Act of 2007 (from here on H.R. 25). This legislation calls for
abolishing most existing federal taxes, including the personal and corporate income taxes,
payroll taxes, and the estate and gift taxes and replacing them with a progressive national
consumption tax. Under the FairTax, the federal government would raise almost all of its
revenue by taxing consumer purchases at a “tax-inclusive” rate of 23 percent.1 The FairTax is
progressive, as it provides for a rebate of taxes (called a “prebate”) to be paid to each household
on its spending up to the poverty level.
H.R. 25 has several objectives, including tax simplification and economic growth. It abolishes
the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the federal agency that currently collects and administers
federal taxes, and shifts the vast majority of these responsibilities to the individual state sales tax
authorities.2 Adopting such a fundamental reform would have implications for the entire process
of collecting and administering taxes in the United States. The roles and responsibilities of
governments at all levels, businesses, and individuals would change under the FairTax.
Individuals would no longer file tax returns, businesses would be responsible for collecting and
remitting the tax to the states, and state governments would process the revenue collections and
forward the appropriate revenue amount to the federal government.
These changes prompt important questions pertaining to the cost of administering and complying
with the FairTax:
(1) What are the administration, collection, and filing costs under the FairTax, and whom do
they fall upon?
(2) How do these costs compare to costs under the current system?
(3) Would these costs increase or decrease under the FairTax when compared to the current
system?
This report attempts to provide answers to these questions.
For this study, BHI estimates the net (additional) administration, collection, and filing costs
(usually called simply “administrative costs”) of the FairTax by considering each of the revenue
collection layers individually – retailers and service providers (sellers), state governments, and
the federal government. BHI also accounts for the savings the private sector would enjoy
because of no longer having to file the income, estate, gift, and payroll taxes that are replaced by
the FairTax. We do our analysis for 2005, the most recent year for which there are data on
states’ collection agencies’ operating costs or budget appropriations.
1 This means that the tax on a good priced at $77.00 would be $23.00, so that the total price is $100.00. The “taxexclusive”
rate would be about 30 percent (= 23/77).
2 H.R. 25 prohibits any funding of the IRS three years after its enactment. It provides for collection of the FairTax
by state sales tax authorities and specifies how the federal government and the states will jointly administer the tax.
It requires the Secretary of the Treasury to establish an Office of Revenue Allocation to arbitrate any disputes
between states regarding the destination of sales for purposes of allocating sales tax revenue among the states.
Tax Administration and Collection Costs: The FairTax vs. the Existing Federal Tax System 4
As shown in Table 1, we find that the FairTax saves $346.51 billion in administrative costs in
2005 when compared to the administrative costs of the taxes it replaces. This implies a saving of
$14.70 per $100 of the gross revenue the FairTax would collect. We find these estimates robust
enough to ensure that even if any additional spending is needed under the FairTax to hold
avoidance and evasion to their current levels, this increased spending would never overcome the
savings the FairTax brings when compared to the current taxation system.
Table 1: FairTax Net Administrative Costs (Savings)
Cost component $ billions
1. Net sellers’ FairTax collection costs 60.31
2. Net state governments’ FairTax collection costs 9.66
3. Net federal savings (9.38)
4. Private sector savings (407.11)
5. Total FairTax costs (savings) [1. + 2. + 3. + 4.] (346.51)
6. Total FairTax costs (savings) per $100 of revenue (14.70)
Billions of $ except per $100 figures. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.

I. Introduction
The U.S. federal tax code has undergone major changes since the last important attempt at tax
simplification in 1986. In subsequent years, Congress enacted legislation to raise and then lower
income tax rates, reduce the tax rates on capital gains and dividends, increase deductions for IRA
contributions, create Roth IRAs and medical savings accounts, increase the earned income tax
credit for the working poor, and make other changes. The result is over 60,000 pages of tax
code, rules, and rulings that can confuse even the most adept tax professionals.
With federal tax reform again on the table, several groups and legislators have proposed
alternative plans. The FairTax plan is one such proposal. Essentially, it aims to replace most
current federal taxes with a national retail sales tax. In 2005, Representative John Linder and
Senator Saxby Chambliss filed legislation in the form of H.R. 25. Such a fundamental overhaul
of the federal tax system would impact nearly every individual and institution in the United
States. The tax collection, administration, and filing processes would be completely revamped
under the FairTax.
Under current tax law, individuals are required to file income, estate, and gift tax returns. Under
the FairTax, these obligations disappear as individuals pay the FairTax when they buy goods and
services, but the obligation of filing would shift to the retailer or service provider selling those
goods and services.
Businesses currently file corporate income taxes and both file and collect payroll (employment)
and personal income taxes. Instead, under the FairTax, businesses would collect the FairTax
from their retail customers and remit the revenue to the state sales tax authority.
The federal government currently collects the taxes that would be replaced under the FairTax. At
the same time, it processes personal income taxes and payroll taxes for its employees and pays
employer payroll taxes. Under the FairTax, the federal government would pay the FairTax on its
purchases and collect it on the wages and salaries of its employees.
State and local governments currently process the personal income tax and payroll tax for their
employees. Under the FairTax, these governments pay the FairTax on all their purchases and on
the wages paid to their employees. Moreover, state governments, if they so choose, would
administer and collect the FairTax from the sellers.
In this report, we estimate how replacing the above-mentioned federal taxes with the FairTax
would affect the costs of tax administration, collection, and filing. In our analysis, we do not
consider tax evasion or avoidance issues that could be raised when replacing the tax system,
although we recognize that these matters affect the cost of tax revenue collection. Our purpose is
to estimate the effect of adopting the FairTax on costs, assuming tax avoidance and evasion
remain at their current levels. Our estimates also assume that the FairTax would have been in
place for a long time, so we do not estimate the start-up costs that would be incurred in
establishing the FairTax. The motivation for this is that we want to compare apples to apples.
Were we to compare the costs of both establishing and running the FairTax with only the costs of
running the existing system, we would be comparing apples to oranges, not apples.
Tax Administration and Collection Costs: The FairTax vs. the Existing Federal Tax System 6
The paper is organized into ten sections. The following section reviews the literature on the
matter. Section III presents the estimation of the revenues to be collected under the FairTax.
Section IV explains the FairTax revenue collection process. Section V estimates the net costs to
the sellers, while section VI does the same for state governments and section VII for the federal
government. Section VIII estimates the net savings of the private sector, and section IX puts it
all together with an estimate of the total costs/savings that the FairTax brings about. Section X
summarizes our conclusions.
II. Literature Review
A review of the academic literature indicates that no consensus exists regarding the costs of
administration, collection, and filing for different types of tax systems. Some researchers
conclude that income taxes are less costly compared to sales taxes, while others find the
opposite. Researchers even disagree over the factors that determine the relative administrative
cost of a tax. However, there is consensus, as suggested by Shlomo Yitzhaki, that one goal of
tax policy is to reduce the “social cost” of taxation by minimizing administrative costs and, thus,
the deadweight loss of the system.3
The obvious obstacle to comparing the administrative costs of the current system with the
FairTax, as William Gale and Janet Holtblatt note, is that no system like the FairTax has ever
been in place.4 Therefore, any study attempting to make this comparison would need to make
assumptions about the administrative costs of a hypothetical sales tax and then estimate those
costs, as we do here.
Joel Slemrod states that the costs of administering sales taxes are generally lower than the costs
of administering the federal income tax, and notes that, for a commodity tax system,
administrative costs are less the more uniform the rates are, concluding that moving toward an
optimal system would entail making tax rates more uniform.5 He adds that a national retail sales
tax could, however, entail higher costs than a federal income tax, owing to enforcement
problems that arise with a much higher rate than the currently enforced ones. Matthew N.
Murray argues that a national retail sales tax would have high administrative and enforcement
costs much like the current income tax system.6 He argues that a radical improvement in
compliance cannot be expected with a national retail sales tax. However, he does point out that
available evidence does not support a claim that higher sales tax rates would drastically increase
administrative costs and noncompliance.
Researchers also link the growth in compliance costs seen over the last century with the growing
complexity of the existing federal tax code. Scott A. Hodge, J. Scott Moody, and Wendy P.
Warcholik contend that the intricacy (complexity) of the tax code increases the administrative
costs.7 Their study calculated that the number of sections in a subchapter of the income tax code
increased by 615 percent from 1954 to 2005. Evidence of this kind suggests that the FairTax,
3 Yitzhaki (1979).
4 Gale and Holtblatt (1998).
5 Slemrod (2000).
6 Murray (1997).
7 Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik (2005).
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with its single rate and absence of complex rules, would significantly reduce administrative
costs.
The tax structure can increase compliance costs by increasing noncompliance due to complexity.
James Alm, Roy Bahl, and Matthew N. Murray note that the structure of a tax system provides
incentives for tax evasion and that, in considering tax reform, it is therefore important to consider
how taxpayers will respond to changes in the tax structure.8 Marsha Blumenthal and Joel
Slemrod note that only a few studies account for the relationship between changes in the tax
structure and changes in compliance.9 Their study found that certain features of tax reform
influenced compliance costs for individual taxpayers. For example, reducing the fraction of
itemizers reduced compliance costs, because calculating itemized deductions is time consuming.
Nevertheless, the authors say they could not determine if greatly simplifying the tax system
would greatly reduce compliance costs.
It is important to specify how administrative costs are measured. Blumenthal and Slemrod
delineate filing cost as being the monetary value of time spent on tasks related to filing tax
returns as well as expenditures on goods and services used to facilitate the filing procedure.10
Most studies measure administration and collection costs of tax systems in terms of cost per
dollar of revenue collected. The lower the cost per dollar of revenue collected, the more efficient
the tax system.
Although studies do not exist which compare a national retail sales tax with the current tax
system, many studies do estimate the administrative costs of the existing state sales taxes and the
current federal system. John F. Due and John L. Mikesell provide the most recent estimate of
administrative costs for state sales taxes.11 They surveyed eight states from 1991 to 1993 and
reported administrative costs ranging from $0.41 to $1.00 per $100 of revenue collected. As a
quick comparison, we note that the IRS reports a collection and administration cost of $0.60 per
$100 of revenue collected in 1993 and of $0.44 in 2005.
Government administration and collection costs capture only a portion of the administrative costs
of a tax system. Individuals and businesses also incur costs of paying and filing their taxes, and
a complete estimate of administrative costs should include all three components. Moody
estimates individual filing costs to have been $104 billion in 2002 at a rate of $30 per hour.12
Slemrod has a lower dollar estimate for individual compliance costs in 2004; $85 billion at a rate
of $20 per hour.13
The Government Accountability Office’s 2005 report cites a number of studies of business
compliance costs with the federal income tax such as the already-mentioned study by Moody,
wherein he estimated that retailers spent $85 billion in 2002 at an estimated cost per hour of
$37.26.14 Joel Slemrod and Varsha Venkatesh put the number much lower, at $22 billion in

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2001; however, this study excluded the largest 1,350 corporations and all businesses with less
than $5 million in assets.15 Slemrod later reviewed his previous studies and estimated that
retailers spent a total of $40 billion, at a rate of $20 per hour, complying with the federal income
tax in 2004.16
PricewaterhouseCoopers conducted the first national estimate of retailer compliance with local
and state retail sales tax over the period of August 2004 through March 2005.17 This study found
that in 2003 the average annual state and local retail sales tax compliance costs were $3.09 per
$100 of sales tax revenue collected. As a percentage of taxable sales, costs for smaller
businesses were found to be more than six times greater than those for the large retailers.
Robert J. Cline and Thomas S. Nuebig asked how compliance costs for multi-state retailers are
affected by the different complexities of the sales tax.18 In their analysis, they use the 1998
Washington Department of Revenue study as the base for estimates of the compliance costs for
companies with different sizes and serving different states.19
Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik note that compliance costs vary by type of taxpayer, income
level, and state.20 They estimate that individuals, businesses, and nonprofits spent an estimated 6
billion hours, at a cost of $265.1 billion, in 2005 complying with the federal income tax code – a
figure that they expect to rise dramatically over the next decade.
In 1996, the Tax Foundation estimated the total compliance costs of the current federal tax
system, the flat tax, the USA Tax system (a business cash flow tax), and the national retail sales
tax.21 They found that the current federal system cost $225 billion in 1996, while all three
alternatives would reduce costs dramatically. They estimate that the flat tax would cost $9.2
billion, the USA Tax $36 billion, and the national retail sales tax just $8.2 billion.
Building on the work of these studies and using estimates of our own, we calculate the cost of
administration, collection, and filing for governments, businesses, and individuals for the
FairTax and for the current system. We next proceed to estimate FairTax revenue collections.
III. FairTax Revenue Collections
In this section, we estimate the tax revenue that would have been collected under the FairTax.
To do this, we calculate the FairTax base in 2005 and the spending-neutral tax rate, following the
15 Slemrod and Venkatesh (2002).
16 Slemrod (2004).
17 PricewaterhouseCoopers. “Retail Sales Tax Compliance Costs: A National Estimate,” Volume One: Main Report
9, April 2006. Prepared for Joint Cost of Collection Study. Available at
http://www.pwc.com/Extweb/pwcpublications.nsf/docid/E1F22DB30D07DBA785257164006DDE9E/$file/jccspart-
1-vol-.pdf.
18 Cline and Nuebig (1999).
19 Washington State Department of Revenue. “Retailers’ Cost of Collecting and Remitting Sales Tax,” December
1998. Available at http://dor.wa.gov/docs/reports/Retailers_Cost_Study/retailstudy.doc.
20 Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik (2005).
21 Hall (1996).
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methodology set forth in Bachman, et al.22 We then present the corresponding estimates of the
gross and net FairTax revenue that would have been collected in 2005. The reason for selecting
2005 is that it is the most recent year for which there are data on the operating costs of state
government revenue collection agencies, data on budget appropriations, or other data necessary
for our calculations.
At first glance, the FairTax is a revenue-neutral proposal and may be seen as a proposal to
replace the amount of revenue that the federal government would have under current law dollarfor-
dollar. However, because the imposition of a sales tax is likely to affect prices, simply
replacing the dollar value of the current tax revenue may not allow the federal government to
maintain the real value of the services it currently provides. The tax-inclusive FairTax rate for
2007 is set to be 23 percent in H.R. 25, but many authors have argued that this rate would not
raise enough revenue to keep the federal government’s purchasing power constant. Besides
keeping current spending constant in real terms, the estimated rate must also ensure raising
enough additional revenue to finance the FairTax rebate of taxes on poverty level spending
(prebate) and the administrative credit paid to businesses and governments collecting the tax.
Table 2: FairTax Base and Rate Estimates
A. Revenue $ billions
1. Revenue to be replaced 1,943.14
2. IRS savings (9.74)
3. Net revenue to be replaced [1. + 2.] 1,933.40
B. Base
4. Private consumption 8,274.10
5. Federal government consumption 834.10
6. State and local government consumption 969.74
7. Gross tax base [4. + 5. + 6.] 10,077.93
C. Base adjustments
8. Non-taxed transfers adjustment 249.51
9. Prebate base adjustment (2,011.30)
10. Administrative credit base adjustment (48.02)
11. Adjusted tax base [7. + 8. + 9. + 10.] 8,268.12
12. Tax-inclusive rate [3. ÷ 11.] 23.38%
13. Tax-exclusive rate [3. ÷ (11. - 3.)] 30.52%
Billions of $ except percentage figures. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors’ estimations using CBO and IRS data for 2005.
Bachman and his coauthors accounted for these facts when estimating the base and rate that
would be needed for 2007.23 However, because we had selected 2005 as our reference year for
22 Bachman, et al. (2006).
23 Ibid.
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this study, we needed to calculate the base and the rate that would have been needed in 2005 to
then estimate the revenue that the FairTax would have raised that year. For this, we apply the
methodology used by Bachman, et al. to 2005.24
Table 2 presents our estimates of the FairTax base and the rates for 2005. We start on line 1 with
the net revenue collected by the taxes that would be replaced by the FairTax in 2005, which the
IRS reports to be $1,943.14 billion.25 Since the IRS will neither be responsible for administering
the taxes that are being replaced nor for most of the FairTax administrative operations, this will
reduce the revenue needed to finance the IRS.26 We estimate these “savings” to be $9.74 billion
and reflect them on line 2.27 Therefore, the net revenue to be replaced in 2005, as shown on line
3, is $1,933.40 billion. As mentioned before, there are other items that would adjust the revenue
needed under the FairTax. Such items are: Non-taxed federal government transfers, the prebate,
and the administrative credit to be given to sellers and state and local governments. However,
the spending needed in these categories depends on the rate in place. Since we are calculating
the rate at this point, we have to make the corresponding adjustments to the base, not the revenue
itself, in order to accommodate for these changes in spending.
We now consider the FairTax base. In very basic terms, this base is composed of all private and
government final consumption of goods and services, except for spending on education. In
section B of Table 2, we present the estimation of the FairTax base for 2005.28 Private
consumption is estimated at $8,274.10 billion, federal government consumption at $834.10
billion, and state and local government consumption at $969.74 billion. The gross base
calculated by adding these three numbers is estimated to be $10,077.93 billion, as shown on line
7.
We now present the estimates of the adjustments made to the base to accommodate for changes
in the revenue that are related to the FairTax rate. The first adjustment is to account for the fact
that the change of tax system reduces the nominal amount of federal government transfers
needed. Since there is lower spending in real dollars in this category, this is equivalent to
increasing the base. Consequently, on line 8 we present an estimate of an increase to the base of
$249.51 billion to accommodate for the lower revenue needed for federal transfers. The FairTax
must also raise sufficient revenue to fund the FairTax prebate and the administrative credit. The
prebate is a rebate of taxes (albeit in advance, giving rise to the term “prebate”) to qualified
households that effectively exempts all households’ purchases up to the poverty level. The
administrative credit is the amount that the sellers and the state and local governments will keep
from the revenue they collect. Since these are both increases in the revenue to be collected, we
accommodate for them when calculating the tax rate by decreasing the base. On line 9 we show
24 The explanation of the methodology used to estimate the gross base, the adjusted base, and the rates is beyond the
scope of this study so we refer the reader to the work of Bachman, et al. (2006).
25 IRS Data Book, FY 2005, Publication 55b.
26 Note that these savings only require an adjustment of the revenue, and not an adjustment of the base of the
FairTax. Less spending by the federal government implies lower taxes paid by taxpayers, which implies a higher
disposable income. Marginal propensity to consume is very close to 1 for the United States, which implies that this
drop in federal consumption will be picked up by private consumption. Finally, since the tax base for the FairTax is
all consumption (except education), this means that the base does not need to be adjusted.
27 We explain how we estimated the IRS savings in Section VII.
28 The estimates for this section of the table were obtained using the same CBO estimates as in Bachman, et al.
(2006) but for 2005. We refer the reader to Table 2 on page 667 of that paper for the specific sources.
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an estimate of ($2,011.30) billion for the adjustment needed in the base because of the prebate,
and on line 10 we present an estimate of ($48.02) billion for the adjustment needed because of
the administrative credit. By adding lines 7 through 10, we obtain the estimate of the adjusted
FairTax base, which is $8,268.12 billion as presented on line 11.
By dividing the estimate on line 3 by the estimate on line 11, we calculate the estimated taxinclusive
FairTax rate for 2005 of 23.38 percent (line 12), which implies a tax-exclusive FairTax
rate for 2005 to be 30.52 percent (line 13). With the tax-inclusive FairTax rate estimate, we now
calculate the tax revenue that would have been collected by the FairTax in 2005. We should note
at this point that since the federal government will reimburse households with the prebate, we
can consider the amount of revenue collected inclusive of the prebate as the FairTax gross tax
revenue, and the amount of revenue collected minus the prebate as the net FairTax revenue.
Table 3: FairTax Revenue Estimates
A. From FairTax revenue $ billions
1. Gross FairTax revenue 2,356.60
2. Prebate (470.32)
Net FairTax revenue [1. + 2.] 1,886.28
B. From revenue to be replaced
4. Net revenue to be replaced 1,933.40
5. Transfers revenue adjustment (58.34)
6. Administrative credit revenue 11.23
Net FairTax Revenue [4. + 5. + 6.] 1,886.28
Billions of $. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors’ estimations using CBO and IRS data for 2005.
Table 3 presents our FairTax revenue estimates. We calculate the net FairTax revenue from two
perspectives as a check to see that our estimations balance. First, we calculate the gross FairTax
revenue by multiplying the estimate of the gross tax base on line 7 of Table 2 by the taxinclusive
rate of 23.38 percent, which yields the estimate of $2,356.60 billion presented on line 1
of Table 3. We next calculate the amount of the prebate by multiplying the estimate on line 9 of
Table 2 by the same 23.38 percent rate. This yields the negative estimate of $470.32 billion
presented on line 2 of Table 3. We then add these two estimates to get the net FairTax revenue
of $1,886.28 billion.
The second perspective we use is to adjust the estimate that we show on line 3 of Table 2 with
the revenue estimates of the transfer reduction and the administrative credit. The thinking
behind this perspective is that the revenue the FairTax must be collecting, without counting the
prebate, must equal the net revenue that was being collected before, adjusted by the changes in
spending to keep federal government spending constant. Therefore, in part B of Table 3, on line
4 we present again the value of the net revenue to be replaced: $1,933.40 billion. Since the
federal government’s transfer requirements decrease, we must reduce this revenue by the amount
no longer needed for those transfers. The negative amount of $58.34 billion, presented on line 5,
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is calculated by multiplying the estimate on line 8 of Table 2 by 23.38 percent.29 Similarly, since
the administrative credit is an increase in the needed revenue, we multiply the estimate on line 10
of Table 2 by 23.38 percent and obtain an estimate of $11.23 billion.30 Adding lines 4 through 6
of Table 3, we obtain the net FairTax revenue of $1,886.28 billion.
These estimates assume that there is no monetary accommodation and, consequently, that prices
do not increase. If prices were to increase, the base values would be adjusted accordingly, and
the tax-inclusive rate would yield the necessary revenue. The advantage of the assumption of no
monetary accommodation is that we can compare the revenues and costs between the two
taxation systems directly. We observe, therefore, that the net revenue under the FairTax in 2005
is lower than the net revenue replaced, in real terms. The prebate is a tool for redistribution of
income, meaning that it simply causes the FairTax to collect and return additional revenue.
Therefore, at this point, we observe that, overall, taxpayers would have to pay less in taxes to
maintain the current services provided by the federal government under the FairTax than it does
under current law, which implies that the FairTax would increase the taxpayers’ purchasing
power.
IV. FairTax Revenue Collection Process
The process of collecting the FairTax from the consumer and putting the revenue in the hands of
the federal government, as specified by H.R. 25, involves three sectors: Sellers, which include
both retail stores and service providers, state governments, and the federal government itself.
The sellers collect the tax on their sales to individuals, state and local governments, and the
federal government. They then deduct the administrative credit (0.25 percent) from their
collections and forward that money to the state sales tax authority. The state then remits the tax
collections from the retailers plus the tax on their purchases of labor (compensation paid to
government employees) minus the administrative credit to the U.S. Treasury. Finally, the federal
government receives the monies from the states and remits the FairTax on its labor purchases. It
should be noted that, for this paper, federal governmental enterprises are considered to belong to
the sellers’ sector and not the federal government sector. This is because government enterprises
collect the FairTax on the services they sell to the consumer, as do businesses in the private
sector.
In order to compare the administrative costs under both tax systems, we must identify the net
(additional) costs/savings that the FairTax would bring in each of the three layers of FairTax
revenue collection, which would allow for more precise pinpointing of specific issues. This
presents a difficulty, however, since the savings that the FairTax would bring to the private
sector (individuals, businesses, and nonprofit organizations) cannot be easily distributed among
these three layers. The simple solution, which we apply in this study, is to consider the savings
to the private sector separately and bring all the estimates together, later, to calculate the total
costs/savings resulting from the implementation of the FairTax. We start by estimating the net
costs to sellers of collecting the FairTax from their sales and sending the money to the state
governments. We then consider the costs to the state governments of administering the FairTax
29 The negative rate shows that an increase in the base is equivalent to a reduction in the revenue.
30 The negative rate shows that a decrease in the base is equivalent to an increase in the revenue.
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as well as collecting the tax revenues from the sellers, the taxes on the labor purchases of local
governments and their own labor purchases, and finally remitting the money to the U.S.
Treasury. We then estimate the net savings that the federal government would enjoy, while
accounting for the costs of collecting the FairTax on its labor purchases as well as processing the
prebate payments. Before bringing it all together to estimate the total costs/savings, we estimate
the savings in the private sector. We point out that when estimating the costs of collecting the
FairTax revenues and remitting them to the appropriate authority, we do so under the assumption
that the FairTax, like the existing federal tax system, would have been in place for a long time,
for the reasons given in the introduction. Thus, we are not considering the start-up costs of
implementing and then running the FairTax.
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Retailers and Service Providers (Sellers)
In this section, we calculate the costs that retailers and service providers would have incurred in
2005 to collect and remit the FairTax from buyers and send the collections to their respective
state government. Under the FairTax, sellers of final goods and services would collect a large
share of the FairTax and remit it to the state government after retaining their share of the
administrative credit. To estimate the costs of performing those tasks in 2005, we use the
national average cost of $3.09 per $100 of revenue estimated by PricewaterhouseCoopers based
on a study of the costs incurred by businesses nationwide collecting and remitting state sales
taxes.31 There are two underlying assumptions behind this estimate: First, the cost per dollar of
revenue in 2005 is the same as in 2003; second, the collection of a national sales tax with the
same base across states and three times more revenue across the nation would be, on average, at
least as efficient as collecting sales taxes across the states with different bases and exemptions.
We believe this second assumption to be very conservative because of the following reasons:
· In their study, Cline and Neubig show how retailers collecting revenues in different states
bear significantly higher compliance costs than retailers collecting in just one state.32 They
claim that “compliance cost drivers affecting multistate retailers include wide variations in
what is taxable across states, significant differences in which consumers and what uses are
exempt, and many tax base and rate changes passed each year.”33 Their estimates for firms
with tax collection responsibilities in 15 states range from 7 to 9 times those of retailers
collecting from one state. For firms with responsibilities in 46 states, the costs range from 12
to 14 times the costs for firms with responsibilities in one state, varying with the firm size.
The FairTax presents two opportunities to reduce these costs:
o The FairTax imposes a single, uniform rate on all goods and services independently
of the state or locality in which the purchase is made. This means that the retailers
would not have to determine whom to collect the tax from and what rate to charge
them, thus reducing the time and effort required to comply with the tax when
compared to current state retail sales taxes; and
31 Pricewaterhouse Coopers, op. cit.
32 Cline and Neubig (1999).
33 Cline and Neubig (1999) p. iii.
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o The FairTax would also provide an excellent opportunity, and some pressure, for
states and localities to align their sales tax bases with the FairTax and to “piggyback”
on the FairTax for the calculation of their respective sales taxes. This practice is
currently followed by a number of states on their income taxes, so it seems reasonable
to expect that they would take such a measure. Unfortunately, we cannot estimate
how much the FairTax would save in compliance costs if they did so.
· Through our estimates, we find that the revenue that would have been raised in 2005 under
the FairTax is more than 3.5 times the total sales tax revenue raised by the states in that same
year. As we will see when we consider the state government sector, this increase in revenue
decreases the total cost per $100 of revenue, causing a gain in efficiency for the states. It is
therefore more than reasonable to think that this could also be the case for retailers and
service providers. Unfortunately, no data is available that we could use to estimate whether
these economies of scale are present or not.
Since the estimate we are using from the PricewaterhouseCoopers report is expressed in terms
of cost per dollar of revenue, we need to estimate the FairTax revenue that retailers and service
providers would collect in order to estimate the total cost that they would be incurring. As we
explained previously, the only amount of revenue that retailers and service providers would not
collect is the revenue from state and local governments’ purchase of labor and the revenue from
the federal government’s purchase of labor. Therefore, on line 1 of Table 4, we start our
estimation of the revenue collected by retailers and service providers with the gross FairTax
revenue from line 1 of Table 3.
Table 4: Sellers’ FairTax Collections
1. Gross FairTax revenue 2,356.60
2. Federal government wages revenue (62.41)
3. State and local government wages revenue (92.97)
4. Revenue to be collected by retailers [1. + 2. + 3.] 2,201.21
Billions of $. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors’ estimations using CBO and IRS data for 2005.
We then estimate the tax revenue that would be collected on the federal government’s labor
purchases by multiplying the estimated federal purchases component of the base on line 5 of
Table 2 by the estimated share of government wages in their purchases given by Bachman, et al.
(32 percent) and by the FairTax-inclusive rate we calculated in Table 2 (23.38 percent).34 This
calculation yields an estimate of $62.41 billion, which enters with a negative sign on line 2 of
Table 4. Similarly, in order to calculate the amount of revenue that would be raised on state and
local government labor, we multiplied the estimate of the state and local government purchases
on line 6 of Table 2 by the estimate of the share of state and local government wages in their
consumption given by Bachman, et al. (59 percent) and by the FairTax-inclusive rate.35 The

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revenue thus estimated is $92.97 billion, which also enters with a negative sign on line 3 of
Table 4. Finally, summing lines 1 through 3 in Table 4 yields an estimate of $2,201.21 billion.
Having the estimate of the FairTax revenue collected by retailers and service providers in 2005,
we can use the estimates from the PricewaterhouseCoopers report to estimate the costs that
would be incurred in collecting and remitting such revenue. In their study,
PricewaterhouseCoopers presented estimates of the gross retail sales tax cost, 3.09 percent, and
of the national average of net implicit transfers, 0.60 percent. The PricewaterhouseCoopers
estimates are from businesses that collect and submit sales tax to the states, which is the same
obligation that they would have with the FairTax.
Net implicit transfers include both vendor discounts of 0.50 percent and net float of 0.10 percent.
Vendor discounts are a practice very similar to the administrative credit of the FairTax, where 26
states and the District of Columbia allow the retailer to retain a percentage of the sales taxes
collected. We note that the weighted average national vendor discount estimated in this report is
very similar to the administrative credit percentage in H.R. 25 of approximately 0.50 percent.
However, the 0.50 percent under the FairTax includes both the administrative credit of sellers
and the administrative credit of state governments. At the seller level, we could apply only 0.25
percent to the revenue collected there. The net float is generated by the interest the seller gains
by being able to hold on to the tax collected before remitting it to the states. These gains have to
be deducted from the sellers’ gross collection costs.
Table 5: Sellers’ Costs under the FairTax
$ Billions
Per $100 of
Revenue
1. Gross collection costs 68.02 3.09
2. Administrative credit (5.50) (0.25)
3. Net float (2.20) (0.10)
4. Net collection costs [1. + 2. + 3.] 60.31 2.74
Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors' estimates and PwC report.
In Table 5, we calculate the costs to retailers and service providers under the FairTax. On line 1,
we present the gross cost of collecting and remitting the FairTax that we obtain by multiplying
the estimate of the revenue collected by retailers on line 4 of Table 4 by 3.09 percent, which
gives our estimate of $68.02 billion. Line 2 presents the estimate of the administrative credit the
retailers would get, calculated by multiplying the estimate of the revenue collected by them on
line 4 of Table 4 by 0.25 percent, which is $5.50 billion. Line 3 gives the estimate of the net
float of $2.20 billion that is calculated by multiplying the estimated revenue collected by the
sellers on line 4 of Table 4 by 0.10 percent. Adding lines 1 through 3 in Table 5 yields an
estimate of $60.31 billion for the net costs to sellers to collect and remit the FairTax.
VI. State Governments
In this section, we estimate the costs to state governments of administering the FairTax. State
governments play a key role under the FairTax, for H.R. 25 makes them responsible for most of
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the administrative tasks of the tax. Under the FairTax, states will collect the revenue from
retailers, administer the registration of retailers and service providers as sellers, and administer
the registration of households for the prebate. However, since most states already have a sales
tax and/or an income tax in place, these registration costs would be almost negligible, for both
sellers and/or households would already be registered in one form or another with the states.
Several authors have emphasized that for those states which currently have a personal income tax
that “piggybacks” on the federal personal income tax, there would be an increase in the cost of
administering their existing personal income tax because the FairTax repeals the federal income
tax. This argument needs some consideration.
The presence of a state income tax that uses the same base as the federal personal income tax
does not imply that the state government’s employees who have to administer it do not know
how the federal government’s personal income tax base is calculated for individuals with
different socioeconomic characteristics. If these administrators are performing their jobs
correctly, they very well ought to know this by heart. The removal of the federal personal
income tax will not cause these administrators to suddenly lose that knowledge and, therefore,
should not increase the cost of the state government to administer its own personal income tax if
it decided to keep having the personal income tax. This argument is valid as well for any type of
state corporate income tax that may relate its base to the federal corporate income tax. In
addition, the presence of the federal FairTax would create pressure on the states that currently
have a sales tax in place to conform the state tax base to the FairTax base, thus simplifying the
tax collection process. In this study, however, we assume that there is no change in the
composition of the states’ taxation systems. Further, because of the argument presented above,
we do not consider that costs would increase for states with income taxes because of the mere
disappearance of the federal income taxes.
Currently, there are five states that do not have a sales tax in place. The cost of administering the
FairTax for those states would be arguably higher than for the states that have been
administering their own form of a sales tax for some time now. On the other hand, H.R. 25
allows for these states to rely on other states to administer and collect the FairTax for them.
Therefore, this higher cost would be incurred only if state governments that currently do not have
a sales tax decided to administer the FairTax collected in their states, so the higher cost would
not be a direct consequence of the imposition of the FairTax.
Also, the higher cost would be temporary; in time, these states would reach the same level of
efficiency as the states with a sales tax currently in place. As mentioned above, we estimate the
costs of administering, collecting, and filing the FairTax under the assumption that it has been in
place for a long time. Our methodology in this section therefore estimates the total cost for state
governments using only the 45 states that currently have a sales tax in place, which implies that
we are assuming that the other 5 states and the District of Columbia will incur the same average
cost as the 45 states that currently have a sales tax in place.36
36 Even though the District of Columbia has a sales tax in place, we were not able to find all of the required data for
our analysis for it, so we did not include it in our models.
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Table 6: State Governments’ FairTax Collections
1. Revenue remitted by retailers 2,195.71
2. State and local government wages revenue 92.97
3. Revenue collected by state governments [1. + 2.] 2,288.68
Billions of $. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors’ estimations using CBO and IRS data for 2005.
As in the previous section, our first step is to estimate the amount of revenue that the state
governments would be collecting. Under the FairTax, the state governments would receive the
money previously collected by the sellers once they have deducted the corresponding
administrative credit. Consequently, the estimate on line 1 of Table 6 is $2,195.71 billion, which
equals the estimate on line 4 of Table 4 ($2,201.21 billion) times 99.75 percent (1 minus 0.25
percent). In addition to this revenue, the state governments are responsible for collecting the
FairTax on labor purchases by themselves and by local governments in their state. Therefore, on
line 2 of Table 6, we include the estimate of the FairTax on state and local government wages
presented on line 3 of Table 4, which comes to $92.97 billion. The total revenue collected by the
state governments would, therefore, be the sum of these two figures, $2,288.68 billion, as
presented on line 3 of Table 6.
Having estimated the revenue for which state governments would be responsible, we next
estimate how much it would cost them to perform the tasks associated with the collection of that
revenue. There are no recent studies to which we can turn for an estimate. The most recent –
and most referred to in the literature – study is the one from Due and Mikesell where the data
used is from 1991 to 1993 for only eight states.37 They found that the costs of administering
state sales taxes for the different state governments ranged from $0.41 to $1.00 per $100 of
revenue collected. Since this study uses data of over a decade ago and for only eight states, we
decided to make our own estimates of the costs that state governments would be incurring.
The first piece of data we need in order to estimate the costs of collecting the FairTax revenue
for the states is an estimate of the costs that states incur in collecting their own sales taxes. In
our data gathering effort, we found that most state tax administration and collection agencies do
not disaggregate their administration and collection costs by type of tax. Most do not even report
their total administration costs. In most cases, we based our estimate on the budget
appropriations of the state agency responsible for tax revenue collection, although there were
some few instances where the agency would report their expenditures. In those rare cases, we
used the reported expenditure as our estimate for the cost. We note that by using estimates based
on the agencies’ budget appropriations our estimates are very likely to exceed the true values,
making our estimate of the cost of the FairTax for the states in 2005 a conservative one.

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H.R. 25 requires sellers to remit the FairTax to the state sales tax authority. Although states’
sales taxes and the FairTax are different, the relationship with the sellers required by both is the
same. The FairTax simply increases the total amount of sales tax revenue that the states would
be collecting. This has a double effect: It increases the total revenue collected and the share of
37 Due and Mikesell (1994).
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the the total revenue collected in the form of a sales tax. Therefore, we required detailed revenue
collection data for each state so that the share of sales tax revenue can be computed.
Table 7: Fiscal Years and Data Sources for the Different States
State FY Source of Cost Data Source of Revenue Data
Alabama 2004 2004 DOR Annual Report 2004 DOR Annual Report
Arizona 2005 2006-2007 Executive Budget 2005 DOR Annual Report
Arkansas 2005 2005 DFA Actual Expenditures 2005 DFA Annual Report
California 2005 2007 Budget Expenditures 2005 Revenue Collections Census Bureau
Colorado 2005 2007 Appropriations Report 2006 Legislative Staff Council Forecast
Connecticut 2005 2007 Budget Financial Summary 2005 DOR Annual Report
Florida 2005 2005 Final Budget Report 2005 DOR Annual Report
Georgia 2005 2007 Governor's Budget Report 2007 Governor's Budget Report
Hawaii 2005 2007 DOT Budget Report 2005 DOT Annual Report
Idaho 2005 2007 DOR Operating Budget 2005 STC Annual Report
Illinois 2005 2007 State Budget 2005 DOR Annual Report
Indiana 2005 2005 Budget Appropriations 2005 DOR Annual Report
Iowa 2005 2007 Agency Operating Budget 2005 DOR Annual Report
Kansas 2005 2007 Governor's Budget Report 2005 DOR Annual Report
Kentucky 2005 2005 DOR Annual Report 2005 DOR Annual Report
Louisiana 2005 2007 Budget Appropriations 2005 DOR Annual Report
Maine 2005 2007 Budget Appropriations 2007 Budget Revenues
Maryland 2005 2007 Operating Budget 2007 BRE Annual Report
Massachusetts 2005 2007 Budget Proposal 2005 DOR Annual Report
Michigan 2004 2006 Executive Budget 2004 Treasurer Annual Report
Minnesota 2005 2007 Budget Revenue 2005 Supplement to Tax Handbook
Mississippi 2005 2006 Budget 2005 STC Annual Report
Missouri 2005 2006 Revenue Appropriations 2005 DOR Financial and Statistical Report
Nebraska 2005 2007 Agency Appropriations 2005 DOR Annual Report
Nevada 2005 2005 DOT Annual Report 2005 DOT Annual Report
New Jersey 2004 2004 Budget Appropriations 2004 DOT Annual Report
New Mexico 2004 2006 Budget Appropriations 2004 Revenue Collections Census Bureau
New York 2005 2006 Budget Appropriations 2005 DTF Annual Report
North Carolina 2005 2005 DOR Budget Appropriations 2005 Tax Guide
North Dakota 2005 2007 Budget Appropriations 2005 STC Biennial Report
Ohio 2005 2005 DOT Annual Report 2005 DOT Annual Report
Oklahoma 2004 2007 Executive Budget 2004 TC Annual Report
Pennsylvania 2005 2007 Executive Budget 2005 Tax Compendium Statistical Supplement
Rhode Island 2005 2007 DOA Budget 2005 House Staff Revenues Facts
South Carolina 2005 2005 DOR Annual Report 2005 DOR Annual Report
South Dakota 2005 2007 Governor's Budget 2005 DOR Annual Report
Tennessee 2005 2007 Governor's Budget 2005 DOR Statistics
Texas 2005 2005 Proposed Budget 2007 Comptroller Biennial Report
Utah 2005 2007 Budget Summary 2005 TC Annual Report
Vermont 2005 2007 Executive Budget 2007 Executive Budget
Virginia 2005 2008 DOT Budget 2005 DOT Annual Report
Washington 2005 2005 DOR Annual Report 2005 DOR Annual Report
West Virginia 2005 2007 Executive Budget 2007 Executive Budget
Wisconsin 2005 2007 Executive Budget 2005 DOR Revenue Collections Report
Wyoming 2004 2005 DOR Annual Report 2004 Revenue Collections Census Bureau
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For each state that has a sales tax, we therefore gathered data on tax collections and on
administration costs, as defined above, for fiscal year 2005. For six of the states there were no
data available for fiscal year 2005, so we gathered the appropriate information for fiscal year
2004. Table 7 shows the sources and dates for administrative cost and revenue data by state.
For all 45 states, we estimated the cost per $100 of revenue collected using the estimates of total
cost and total revenue collected for each state. For those states where data was collected for
fiscal year 2004, we inflated the total revenue using the consumer price index. We then
estimated the total cost in fiscal year 2005 by multiplying the inflated revenue by the cost per
$100 of revenue. We estimate the total revenue collected by state revenue collection agencies at
$645.14 billion and the total cost in fiscal year 2005 incurred by these agencies at $5.41 billion.
These estimates imply a total cost for the states of $0.84 per $100 of revenue collected, which
falls within the range given by Due and Mikesell.38 Even though it is on the upper end of that
range, we have already explained that this estimate is very likely to be a high estimate.
Table 8: Descriptive Statistics
Cost
$ millions
Revenue
$ millions IncDum SalesShare
Mean 120.27 14,336.53 0.91 0.38
Median 82.66 8,610.35 0.34
Standard deviation 168.82 17,150.62 0.29 0.13
Sample variance 28,501.77 294,143,656.30 0.08 0.02
Kurtosis 15.57 12.97 7.26 1.19
Skewness 3.68 3.19 -2.99 1.23
Range 967.38 97,303.82 1.00 0.58
Minimum 9.47 1,130.86 0.00 0.19
Maximum 976.85 98,434.69 1.00 0.77
Sum 5,412.32 645,143.81 41.00 17.11
Count 45 45 45 45
Table 8 shows descriptive statistics for the following variables:
· Cost – estimate of the state’s total tax collection and administration cost in millions of
dollars, by state;
· Revenue – estimate of the state’s total revenue collected in millions of dollars, by state;
· IncDum – 1 if the state has an income tax (personal, corporate or both) in place, 0
otherwise; and
· SalesShare – share of sales tax revenue of total tax revenue collected, by state.
38 Due and Mikesell, op. cit. The range they reported was $0.41 to $1.00 per $100.
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The average estimated state cost of administering and collecting tax revenues is $120.27 million,
which is higher than the median, with costs ranging from $9.47 to $976.85 million. The total
estimated state cost is approximately $5.41 billion. The

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which is higher than the median, with costs ranging from $9.47 to $976.85 million. The total
estimated state cost is approximately $5.41 billion. The average estimated state revenue is
approximately $14.34 billion, also higher than the median estimate for revenue, with values
ranging from $1.13 billion to $98.43 billion. The total amount of state revenue collected is
$645.14 billion, which is just 28.19 percent of the aggregate amount of the FairTax revenue to be
collected.
The 45 states have different tax revenue collection structures, which may affect their respective
administration and collection cost structure. Income, sales, and property taxes are the largest
sources of revenue for all states in the United States, and all states have at least one of these taxes
as a source of revenue. Since all 45 states have a sales tax, we created a dummy variable for
whether the state also had any type of income tax in place to test whether this would have any
effect in the cost function. The dummy shows that 41 out of the 45 states (91 percent) had an
income tax in place and 4 did not.
Finally, the FairTax increases the amount of tax revenue in the form of a sales tax that the states
collect. This may have an impact on the cost structure as well, so we consider the share of total
revenue that is currently collected as a sales tax. We observe that, on average, states with a sales
tax in place collect 38 percent of their total revenue in the form of a sales tax, which is very
slightly higher than the median value of 34 percent. This value ranges from a minimum of 19
percent to a maximum of 77 percent.
In our effort to estimate the state cost of administering and collecting tax revenues, we
considered two different dependent variables: Total cost and total cost per $100 of revenue. The
models where we used total cost as the dependent variable outperformed their respective
counterparts in which total cost per $100 of revenue was used.39
Here we present five models using total cost as the dependent variable. All of these models
allow for different cost/revenue relationships depending on whether the state has an income tax
in place or not. The models considered are:
· Model 1 – different intercept for states with and without income tax, cubic relationship with
revenue, and a linear relationship with sales share;
· Model 2 – different intercept for states with and without income tax, quadratic relationship
with revenue for states with no income tax, cubic relationship with revenue for states with
income tax, and linear relationship with sales share;
· Model 3 – different intercept for states with and without income tax, quadratic relationship
with revenue, and linear relationship with sales share;
· Model 4 – same intercept for states with and without income tax, quadratic relationship with
revenue, and linear relationship with sales share; and
39 Note that total cost per $100 of revenue can simply be computed from the estimate of total cost. If the true model
structure is the one with total cost as the dependent variable, then the models with total cost per $100 of revenue
would be invalid, since the error term would be heteroskedastic.
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Table 9: Ordinary Least Squares Estimates
Parameter Model 1 Model 2 Model 3 Model 4 Model 5
Revenue -0.2433 0.0284*** 0.0284*** 0.0265*** 0.0262***
(0.1621) (0.0038) (0.0037) (0.0033) (0.0033)
Revenue2 1.20E-05 -3.72E-07*** -3.72E-07*** -3.45E-07*** -3.45E-07***
(7.41E-06) (7.36E-08) (7.31E-08) (6.88E-08) (6.97E-08)
Revenue3 -1.41E-10
(8.39E-11)
IncDum -311.7965 38.8218 31.5184
(211.3580) (30.8860) (28.9046)
Revenue × IncDum 0.2450 -0.0266*** -0.0252*** -0.0230*** -0.0224***
(0.1621) (0.0044) (0.0039) (0.0033) (0.0033)
Revenue2 × IncDum -1.19E-05 4.94E-07*** 4.37E-07*** 4.07E-07*** 4.05E-07***
(7.41E-06) (1.10E-07) (7.37E-08) (6.86E-08) (6.94E-08)
Revenue3 × IncDum 1.40E-10 -4.40E-13
(8.39E-11) (6.25E-13)
SalesShare -82.5068* -56.8976 -59.7244 -65.3978
(48.4728) (47.1127) (46.6303) (46.4513)
Intercept 383.3572* 22.8386 24.1784 54.0191** 26.9691***
(217.8067) (35.0425) (34.7587) (21.4824) (9.7267)
Observations 45 45 45 45 45
SSR 42489.50 45804.96 46420.55 47873.07 50306.15
SST 1254078.07 1254078.07 1254078.07 1254078.07 1254078.07
Joint F statistic 128.3175*** 118.7039*** 164.7653*** 159.5740*** 239.2892***
R2 0.9661 0.9635 0.9630 0.9618 0.9599
Adj. R2 0.9586 0.9554 0.9571 0.9558 0.9559
AIC 336.3072 339.6883 333.8560 335.2425 331.1651
SBC 352.5672 355.9483 346.5026 347.8891 340.1985
F statistics of the restrictions tests
Alternative
Model 1 2.8091 1.6653 1.5204 1.6557
Model 2 0.4973 0.8353 1.2120
Model 3 1.1890 1.5904
Model 4 1.9821
Standard errors in parentheses. *** Significant at 1%; ** Significant at 5%; * Significant at 10%
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relationship with
revenue.
In Table 9, we present the OLS estimates of the five models. We note that all models have a
very high fit to the data, as indicated by an R2 of about 0.96 throughout. Model 1 indicates that
only the sales tax share is significant in determining the cost and that it has an inverse
relationship with cost. Our concern with this model is that it includes several variables that are
highly correlated with each other, specifically the revenue related variables. Since revenue is
strictly positive, these variables will have high positive correlations which cause the estimates of
the standard errors to be biased upwards, causing parameter estimates to seem not significant
when they actually are. We notice that for states that have an income tax, the coefficient on
revenue cubed would be zero since -1.41E-10 + 1.40E-10 ≈ 0, so in Model 2 we consider a
quadratic relationship between revenue and cost for the states that have no income tax.
Model 2’s estimates show that only the coefficients for a quadratic relationship between cost and
revenue are significant. Sales tax revenue share is no longer significant, although it does keep
the negative sign. When comparing the specification of the two models, the adjusted R2, AIC,
and SBC all favor Model 1 versus Model 2, but the F statistic from the restriction test indicates
that the restriction is valid, so we cannot conclude that Model 2 is not the correct one.40
Following the indication on model 2 as to the correct specification of the model, in Models 3
through 5 we remove the variables that have insignificant coefficients in Model 2, one by one,
and test the validity of the restrictions against all previous models. We observe that the test of
the restrictions in Model 5 yields F statistics that are not significant when comparing it to Models
1 through 4 and that even though the adjusted R2 is slightly lower than Models 1 and 3, the AIC
and SBC are the lowest of all the models. Thus, we chose Model 5 for our estimations. The
advantage of Model 5 may be a result of the specific data sample used, but since our objective is
to estimate the cost to the states in 2005 and we are using data for 2005, we think that this model
is appropriate for the task.
Having chosen Model 5, we present it in a manner that is easier to use:
2
2
26.9691 0.0262 Revenue 3.45 07 Revenue if no Income Tax
Cost
26.9691 0.0038 Revenue 0.60 07 Revenue if Income Tax
E
E
 + ´ - - ´
= 
 + ´ + - ´
The equation for the states that have no income tax uses the coefficients for the revenue variables
that are not related with the income dummy variable, whereas the coefficients in the equation for
the states that have an income tax add the coefficients of the corresponding variables. For
example, the coefficient on Revenue for the states that have an income tax is nothing but the
coefficient on Revenue from Model 5, 0.0262, plus the coefficient on Revenue × IncDum,
-0.0224: 0.0038. We note that the estimate of the FairTax revenue that needs to be collected at
40 When comparing models that use the same observations, R2, Adjusted R2, AIC, and SBC statistics adjust for the
different degrees of freedom used in the different models. Higher R2 and Adjusted R2 are preferred, whereas a lower
AIC and SBC will indicate the preferred model. In testing restrictions, the null hypothesis is that the restrictions are
valid, so a significant F statistic will allow for the rejection of the restricted model, whereas an insignificant one will
not allow for it.
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the state level is approximately 3.5 times the total revenue that states are currently collecting,
which can be confirmed by dividing the estimate on line 3 in Table 6 by the total revenue
collected of $645.14 billion presented in Table 8.
This means that the total revenue the states would collect under the FairTax is 4.5 times the
current revenue collected, since they would have to collect both the revenue for their spending
and the revenue for the FairTax. Even though our model has a good fit, we have to be very
careful to estimate costs with such higher revenues than the ones used to estimate the
coefficients. An increase of revenue in the levels presented would most surely allow states to
enjoy economies of scale, but only up to a certain point. In order to determine that point, we
transform the above equations to reflect the cost per $100 of revenue, since this is a measure of
the efficiency of revenue collection. To do that, we divide both sides of the equations by
“Revenue” and multiply by 100. The result is the following:
2.62 2696.91 Revenue 3.45 05 Revenue Cost if no Income Tax
100
Revenue 0.38 2696.91 Revenue 0.60 05 Revenue if Income Tax
E
E
   + - - ´  ´ =     + + - ´
Figure 1: Estimated Cost per $100 of Revenue
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Revenue ($ Billions)
Cost (Per $100 Revenue)
With Inc. Tax Without Inc. Tax
Figure 1 shows the relationship between cost per $100 of revenue and revenue, both for states
that have an income tax and states that do not. We observe that in both cases, state tax collection
is more inefficient for states that have lower revenues, although it is more efficient for those
states that have both an income and a sales tax than those that just have a sales tax. The gap in
efficiency closes as revenue increases, and states with no income tax eventually become at least
as efficient as their counterparts. We calculate the point where they both have the same cost per
$100 of revenue by setting the two equations above equal to each other and solving for revenue.
The point of intersection is at a revenue level of $55.28 billion, which represents a cost of $0.76
per $100 of revenue.
It is important to understand what the model we use actually estimates. It estimates the cost per
$100 that one state, given that state’s revenue and tax revenue collection structure, incurs. It is,
therefore, not appropriate to plug in the total revenue collected by all states to come up with a
single revenue figure.
Table 10: State FairTax Collection Costs
1. State FairTax cost per $100 of revenue 0.75
2. Current State cost per $100 of revenue 0.84
3. Cost savings per $100 of revenue [1. - 2.] (0.09)
4. State FairTax revenue collected 2,288.68
5. Gross state FairTax collection costs [1. × 4. ÷ 100] 17.25
6. Current state tax collections 645.14
7. Savings in state tax collections [3. × 6. ÷ 100] (0.55)
8. State and local government employees federal income tax revenue 158.01
9. Savings in collecting federal income tax [2. × 8. ÷ 100] (1.33)
10. Administrative credit [-0.25% × 4.] (5.72)
11. Net state FairTax collection costs [5. + 7. + 9. + 10.] 9.66
12. Net state FairTax costs per $100 of revenue [11. ÷ 5. × 100] 0.42
Billions of $ except per $100 figures. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors' estimates using states' publicly available IRS and CES data.
To use the model appropriately, we distributed the total amount of revenue that would be
collected under the FairTax by state and added it to the current revenue that states are collecting
for their state taxes. Please note that we do not include federal taxes that state and local
governments withhold from their employees’ paychecks, since current federal taxes would
disappear under the FairTax. We use IRS total revenue collection data, except excise tax
collections, by state as the basis for distributing the FairTax revenue by state. We estimate that
the average revenue each state would have collected in 2005, including both the FairTax and
state taxes, is $65.20 billion, compared to the estimated average of $14.34 billion of current
revenue collections presented in Table 8. We note that the average revenue collected by the
states is beyond the estimated point of equal efficiency ($55.28 billion) with 17 states exceeding
this amount. We also note from Figure 1 that in absolute terms, the slope for states that have no
income tax is larger than the slope for states that have an income tax beyond this point.
Therefore, we used a cost of $0.76 per $100 of revenue collected for all states, whether they have
an income tax or not, that have to collect a revenue larger than $55.28 billion. We do this to
allow for the previously mentioned fact that the revenues the states would have to collect under
the FairTax are 4.5 times the revenues they are currently raising.
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We estimated the costs by states using Model 5, with and without this limitation. We obtained
estimates of a total cost of $17.46 billion without the limitation and of $22.12 billion with the
limitation. Therefore, we think that our limitation provides a conservative estimate of the cost
that states would incur. The total cost of $22.12 billion implies a cost of $0.75 per $100 of total
revenue collected by the states, including both the FairTax revenue and the states’ specific tax
revenues.
Table 10 shows the calculation of the states’ cost of administering and collecting the FairTax.
On line 1, we start with our estimate of the cost of $0.75 per $100 of revenue. We note that
states incurred a cost of $0.84 per $100 of revenue collected in 2005 and, since our estimate of
$0.75 is done including the state tax revenue collected, this means that the FairTax saves states
some money in collecting their current revenue. We include the current cost of $0.84 per $100
of revenue on line 2, and estimate the savings per $100 of revenue to be $0.09.41 Line 4 shows,
once more, the FairTax revenue collected by the states of $2,288.68 billion. On line 5, we
calculate the gross state FairTax collection costs by multiplying this revenue by the cost per $100
of revenue on line 1 and dividing by 100. We calculate this cost to be $17.25 billion. To
estimate the savings that the FairTax brings to current state tax collection costs, we include our
estimate of current state tax revenue collections in line 6: $645.14 billion. We calculate the
mentioned savings by multiplying this revenue by the estimate of the savings in line 3 and divide
by 100 to get $0.55 billion.
Because the FairTax legislation repeals the federal income tax, states will no longer have to
withhold federal personal income tax from their employees. We estimate the amount of gross
income tax revenue from state employees to be $158.01 billion by using data from Current
Employment Statistics (CES) of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and IRS gross personal
income tax revenue for 2005. Using the CES data, we calculate that 14.27 percent of the
nonfarm labor force was employed by state and local governments. Applying this percentage to
the gross income tax revenue collected by the IRS in 2005, we get the estimate on line 8 of
$158.01 billion. We assume that state and local governments would be incurring the same cost
per $100 of revenue in collecting this revenue that the state governments are in collecting all
their current tax revenues, $0.84, so we multiply these two numbers and divide by 100 to obtain
the estimate of the savings on line 9 of $1.33 billion. Finally, we account for the fact that the
state governments would keep the administrative credit on their revenue collections and calculate
this amount on line 10 by multiplying the estimate on line 4 by 0.25 percent. Adding lines 5, 7,
9, and 10, we obtain the net state FairTax collection cost of $9.66 billion for 2005, which implies
a cost of $0.42 per $100.
Note that $9.66 billion is slightly lower than our estimate of the IRS savings presented on line

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« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2008, 03:18:10 PM »
Very funny.  

You still dance around the answer to my question.  

Are you going to post the entire Chambliss Flat/Fair Tax piece of legislation which the Laffer report analyzes?

Why not post the Bible or Constitution...maybe your answer is in there?

You're unresponsive as ever.

I'll check back in in a while to see if you have the stones to answer my simple question.

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of Table 2. In the next section, we are going to see that it is going to be slightly higher than all
the federal government savings. This means that, even though the administrative credit does not
cover all the costs to the states to administer and collect the FairTax, the federal government
could compensate the state governments for this by slightly increasing the tax rate. We also
note, however, that this would decrease the purchasing power of consumers, since the rate would
no longer be spending neutral.
VII. Federal Government
Under the FairTax, the federal government receives the tax collections from the states and is no
longer responsible for administering and collecting the taxes that are being replaced, so IRS
operating costs will decrease, as we have mentioned before. In addition, the different federal
agencies will no longer have to withhold personal income taxes for their employees, further
decreasing federal government costs. However, the different agencies now have to remit the
FairTax on their labor purchases. Finally, the federal government also has to issue the prebate
checks. In this section, we estimate the FairTax revenue the federal government will receive and
the net costs/savings associated with the tax change.
Table 11: Federal FairTax Revenue
1. Revenue remitted by state governments 2,282.96
2. Federal government wages revenue 62.41
3. Revenue collected by federal government [1. + 2.] 2,345.37
Billions of $. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors’ estimations, CBO, and IRS data.
Consider the revenue the federal government would have collected, which we present in Table
11. On line 1, we have the estimate of the revenue it would receive from the state governments,
which is the total revenue collected by the states from line 3 in Table 6 multiplied by 99.75
percent (1 minus 0.25 percent) to remove the administrative credit kept by the states. This
operation yields the same result as adding line 3 on Table 6 and line 10 on Table 10: $2,282.96
billion. On line 2, we report the revenue that the federal government would raise on its
purchases of labor, which we presented on line 2 of Table 4: $62.41 billion. Summing these, we
get total revenue collected by the federal government of $2,345.37 billion. In order to check our
estimations of the revenue, we note that by adding the total administrative credit, presented on
line 6 of Table 3, to the estimate on line 3 of Table 11, we obtain the gross FairTax revenue,
presented on line 1 of Table 3, of $2,356.60 billion. This is as it should be, since the total
revenue collected under the FairTax has to be the revenue that the federal government gets to
spend plus the compensation to the sellers and the state governments in the form of the
administrative credits.
Having estimated the FairTax revenue that the federal government would have raised in 2005,
we now present our estimates of the savings it would face under the FairTax. Line 1 in Table 12
gives the IRS’s self-reported operating cost of $0.44 per $100 of revenue, which is used for the
estimates on other lines of the table. Line 2 states our estimate of the money that the IRS would
save by no longer having to administer and collect the taxes that are replaced by the FairTax:
$9.74 billion. This number is the same as the one on line 2 of Table 2, and is estimated by
calculating the share of total gross revenue the taxes being replaced brought in for 2005 and
multiplying by the operating costs reported by the IRS for 2005: $10.03 billion. Next, we
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account for the fact that the federal government would have to collect the FairTax on its labor
purchases, so we include our estimate of the FairTax revenue raised on those wages on line 3:
$62.41 billion. This number is the same as on line 2 of Table 11 and on line 2 of Table 4.
Table 12: Federal FairTax Savings
1. IRS operating costs per $100 of revenue 0.44
2. Reduction in IRS operating costs (9.74)
3. Federal wages FairTax revenue 62.41
4. Federal wages FairTax revenue collection cost [1. × 3. ÷ 100] 0.27
5. Federal employees personal income tax revenue 16.21
6. Federal personal income tax filing costs [1. × 5. ÷ 100] (0.07)
7. Federal cost of processing and posting the prebate 0.16
8. Net federal savings [2. + 4. + 6. + 7.] (9.38)
9. Net federal savings per $100 of revenue (0.40)
Billions of $ except per $100 figures. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
Source: Authors' estimates, OMB, IRS, and CES data.
To estimate the cost of collecting this revenue, we assume that the federal government would be
as efficient in collecting the revenue as the IRS is in administering and collecting existing taxes.
This assumption is consistent with the one we made when estimating the cost to the state
governments of collecting the FairTax revenue on state and local governments’ labor purchases.
Therefore, on line 4, we multiply the estimate on line 3 by the cost per $100 of line 1 and divide
the result by 100 to obtain a cost of $0.27 billion. Since there will no longer be a personal
income tax under the FairTax, the federal government will no longer need to withhold the
income tax for its employees. On line 5, we estimate the income tax revenue currently raised on
federal employees, which we obtain by estimating the share of total nonfarm employees hired by
the federal government (excluding governmental enterprises) using CES data, and multiplying it
by the gross personal income tax revenue of 2005. Our estimate is $16.21 billion. To calculate
the cost that the federal government would be saving under the FairTax, we assume, once more,
that all the federal government agencies are as efficient in collecting this revenue as the IRS is in
administering and collecting all the current tax revenue. Consequently, on line 6, we multiply
the estimate on line 5 with the cost per $100 on line 1 and divide by 100 to get savings of $0.07
billion.
The final item to be estimated is the cost the federal government would have in processing the
checks for the prebate. For this estimation, we used the costs of processing and posting W-2
forms in paper and electronic format, as well as the share of the forms in each format reported by
the Office of Management and Budget for 2004.42 The costs were $0.002 per electronic form
and $0.297 per paper form, and the shares were 60 percent for electronic forms and 40 percent
for paper forms.43 This implies a weighted average cost of $0.12 per form. We multiplied this
42 Office of Management and Budget, “Information Collection Budget of the United States Government: Fiscal Year
2005,” Managing Information Collection, Office of Information and Regulation Affairs. Available at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg/icb/2005_icb_final.pdf.
43 Ibid., p. 18.
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average by the number of households receiving the prebate in 2005, 113.04 million, and by 12
months, since the government would issue one check a month per household, to obtain the cost
estimate on line 7 of $0.16 billion. At this point, we are ready to calculate the net federal savings
caused by the FairTax, which we do on line 8 by adding lines 2, 4, 6, and 7. The results are
savings of $9.38 billion, which means that the FairTax causes savings of $0.40 per $100 of
revenue at the federal level.
VIII. Private Sector Savings
We have estimated the 2005 net administrative costs of the FairTax for both federal and state
government, as well as the costs for the sellers. We have, however, one more task to do before
we can estimate the total costs or savings that the FairTax would bring. Under the FairTax,
individuals would no longer have to file the personal income, estate, and gift taxes. Businesses
would not have to collect the personal income tax and other employment taxes from their
employees, as well as not having to file employment and corporate income taxes. To estimate
the savings the FairTax brings to the private sector, we have to estimate the costs associated with
filing the taxes replaced by the FairTax that individuals, businesses, and nonprofit organizations
currently incur. For this matter, we rely on the estimates presented by the Hodge, Moody, and
Warcholik study.44
Table 13: Private Sector Costs of Replaced Taxes
1. Individuals’ income, estate, and gift taxes 110.67
2. Businesses’ income tax 154.40
3. Employment taxes 142.04
4. Total current tax filing costs 407.11
Billions of $.
Source: Authors' estimates, IRS data, and Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik (2005).
On line 1 of Table 13, we present the Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik estimate of the cost to
individuals of complying with income, estate, and gift taxes on page 7 of their report: $110.67
billion. Line 2 sums their estimate for business compliance costs of $147.65 billion (page 8) and
their estimate of the costs for nonprofits of $6.76 billion (page 9), minus their estimate of the
compliance cost of the nonprofits for the return of the excise tax, of $8.6 million (page 9). The
total estimate is $154.40 billion.
We were unable to find an estimate for the cost of filing employment taxes. To estimate this
cost, we took the average cost per $100 of revenue of complying with the individual taxes and
the business taxes, implied by the estimates on lines 1 and 2 of Table 13, which is $18.41,
multiplied it by the gross revenue levied by federal employment taxes in 2005, and then divided
the result by 100 to obtain a cost of $142.04 billion, which is presented on line 3. This estimate
may be high, since it assumes that employment tax compliance costs are as high as the costs to
individuals and businesses of minimizing their income tax exposures. Knowing this, in the next
section we include a sensitivity analysis that considers total costs/savings brought forward by the
44 Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik (2005).

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FairTax under different assumptions for total private savings. On line 4 of Table 13, we
calculate the total costs of filing the taxes that are going to be replaced by adding lines 1 through
3, and we obtain an estimate of the total savings in the private sector of $407.11 billion.
IX. Total FairTax Costs (Savings)
We are finally ready to estimate the total costs/savings that the FairTax would have had in 2005.
We do that in Table 14.
Table 14: Total FairTax Costs (Savings)
1. Net sellers’ FairTax collection costs 60.31
2. Net state governments’ FairTax collection costs 9.66
3. Net federal savings (9.38)
4. Private sector savings (407.11)
5. Total FairTax costs (savings) [1. + 2. + 3. + 4.] (346.51)
6. Total FairTax costs (savings) per $100 of revenue (14.70)
Billions of $ except per $100 figures. Numbers may not add up because of rounding.
On line 1, we have the net sellers’ collection costs from line 4 of Table 5, $60.31 billion. On line
2, we include the estimate of the net state governments’ administration and collection costs of
$9.66 billion from line 11 of Table 10, while on line 3, we present the estimate of the net federal
savings from line 8 of Table 12, $9.38 billion. On line 4, we have the estimated private sector
savings from line 4 of Table 13, $407.11 billion. Finally, on line 5, we calculate the total
FairTax costs/savings by adding lines 1 through 4 and obtain an estimate of $346.51 billion
savings under the FairTax for 2005. This represents savings of $14.70 for each $100 of gross
revenue that the FairTax would have raised during that year.
In the previous section, we mentioned that the estimate for the costs of complying with the
employment taxes presented there may be too high. First, we must note that even without the
estimated saving on employment taxes, which would cause private savings to be $265.07 billion
(calculated by adding lines 1 and 2 of Table 13), we would have total savings of $204.47 billion
(calculated by subtracting lines 1 through 3 of Table 14 from the estimate of $265.07 billion).
Table 15: Sensitivity Analysis of the FairTax Costs
Private Sector
Savings Percentage
FairTax Savings
$ Billions
25% (41.18)
50% (142.96)
75% (244.74)
100% (346.51)
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In Table 15, we present the estimates of the total savings the FairTax would have brought in
2005 if total private savings were 25, 50, 75, and 100 percent of the estimate on line 4 of Table
13. We observe that all of the estimates imply that the FairTax would save money. We also
observe that for the FairTax to bring no savings whatsoever, the estimate of the total private
savings it brings, including the savings in filing employment taxes, would have to be just 14.88
percent of the estimate we present on line 4 of Table 13 (calculated by dividing the sum of lines
1 through 3 of Table 14 by $407.11). Since this percent is so low, we are convinced that having
the FairTax in place would have freed up a substantial amount of money for more productive
purposes than to administer, collect, and file the taxes that the FairTax proposes to replace, while
still collecting the amount of revenue needed for the federal government to keep its real spending
constant.
X. Conclusions
In this study, we wanted to identify and separately estimate the costs/savings the FairTax would
bring about for each of the three strata involved in the administration and collection of the
FairTax – sellers, state governments, and the federal government. We also considered the fact
that the FairTax would bring huge savings to the private sector, which will no longer have to file
the taxes that are replaced by it. Our estimations are based on 2004 and 2005 data from state
budget documents and revenue reports, 2005 data from the IRS, from CBO and CES, and
estimates from Hodge, Moody, and Warcholik’s report for the Tax Foundation and the
PricewaterhouseCoopers report for the Joint Cost of Collection Study. Our estimates show that
the costs to administer the FairTax would have been significantly lower than the costs to
administer the existing system it replaces.

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« Reply #147 on: January 02, 2008, 03:21:36 PM »
In this study, we have not considered any change in tax enforcement costs that the FairTax may
need to collect the necessary amount of revenue. The robustness of our estimates show,
however, that in order to have no savings whatsoever, state costs would have to be almost 35
times more than what we estimate (calculated by dividing $346.51 billion from line 5 of Table
14 by $9.66 billion from line 2 of Table 14 and subtracting 1). Even if we had not accounted for
the estimated savings from repealed employment taxes of $142.04 billion, state government costs
would have to be about 20 times more than what we estimate them to be.
We conclude, therefore, that the FairTax would be a much more efficient taxation system from
the point of view of the administration, collection, and filing costs that it would bring about when
compared to the administration, collection, and filing costs of the current tax system it replaces.




more tomorrow Decker, I am heading home for the day,

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« Reply #148 on: January 02, 2008, 04:05:37 PM »
In this study, we have not considered any change in tax enforcement costs that the FairTax may
need to collect the necessary amount of revenue. The robustness of our estimates show,
however, that in order to have no savings whatsoever, state costs would have to be almost 35
times more than what we estimate (calculated by dividing $346.51 billion from line 5 of Table
14 by $9.66 billion from line 2 of Table 14 and subtracting 1). Even if we had not accounted for
the estimated savings from repealed employment taxes of $142.04 billion, state government costs
would have to be about 20 times more than what we estimate them to be.
We conclude, therefore, that the FairTax would be a much more efficient taxation system from
the point of view of the administration, collection, and filing costs that it would bring about when
compared to the administration, collection, and filing costs of the current tax system it replaces.




more tomorrow Decker, I am heading home for the day,

Later
I am not a computer and my circuits do not overload from your data dump.  (hahahha....dump)

I read the Laffer Report.
There are some glaring errors in it.

Why are you so confrontational about this? 

Masking your answers with pages and pages of a report that I've already read does nothing for the interests of truth and learning on this forum.

Taxes are taxes.  Give an Econometrician a purpose and he can craft a tax to meet that end.  Libertarians and Conservatives have been trying to get rid of the progressive income tax system in this country for many many years.  They also try to kill Social Security by "saving it" with privatization.  By definition, any Flat Tax is a tax hike for poor people and a tax cut for the rich.  Prebates do not change that and indeed, when you run the numbers, the prebates fall short.

I believe in a social safety-net for society.  We all need a helping hand up at some point in our lives.  I see nothing wrong with spreading certain risks across the population through some government functions:  medicare, Soc. Sec. and progressive taxation.

When someone comes along and, as a matter of principle, tells me that government is the problem or worthless, I have a hard time believing it b/c I've seen it work.  My own principles don't permit me to jump on that anti-government pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps perspective.

That's my motivation.

If you are going to not directly answer my question about the Laffer Report's assumption where the Gov. pays itself tax revenue which is counted in the proposal as more tax revenue, then save your time b/c I'm not interested in your answer.

The government cannot be a self-sustaining entity existing on its own tax payments.

As a libertarian, you ought to know that.

Good night Ozark.