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Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« on: December 30, 2007, 07:13:35 AM »
"In 2005, we had special forces with parachutes on their back, with Osama himself in their sights, and the White House called off the attack because they didn't want to upset Pakistan's govt". - Huckabee this AM on Meet the Press.


Are we going to blame Clinton for this one too? ;)

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2007, 09:50:22 AM »
"In 2005, we had special forces with parachutes on their back, with Osama himself in their sights, and the White House called off the attack because they didn't want to upset Pakistan's govt". - Huckabee this AM on Meet the Press.


Are we going to blame Clinton for this one too? ;)

Clinton wasn't president in 2005. 

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2007, 12:25:26 PM »
Clinton wasn't president in 2005. 

Clinton wasn't President in 2001.

Yet many here blame him for the August 6th memo in which Bush was warned about 911 and did nothing to stop it.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2007, 06:48:34 AM »
240...i am under the thinking that osama is probably dead now.. and that our gov. probably knows this..

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2007, 06:52:35 AM »
240...i am under the thinking that osama is probably dead now.. and that our gov. probably knows this..

Oh boy, our resident nutrition expert is now our political expert as well...a true Renaissance man!  :P
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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2007, 07:13:24 AM »
Oh boy, our resident nutrition expert is now our political expert as well...a true Renaissance man!  :P
actually i have been the resident political expert here for quite some time...    :D

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2007, 07:35:16 AM »
Based on how much Bush has cared about the opinions of the world throughout his terms do you honestly think he would have given two shits about grabbing/killing Osama at the first opportunity regardless of how Pakistan felt about it?  Please, I can't believe even all you Bush haters would buy this after how much BS was said about Bush's foreign policy and all around lack of concern for how other nations "felt" about what we're doing.

Secondly, Clinton did let Osama go.. THREE TIMES no less.  All during HIS presidency.  And none of you hypocrites are crying about that and the fact that Clinton only did everything in his terms in office to benefits one person, himself.  Bush went on a rampage after what happened.  Ask yourselves.. what was the alternative?   

I'm sure the families of the 9/11 victims are somewhat more upset. 

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 07:59:32 AM »
Based on how much Bush has cared about the opinions of the world throughout his terms do you honestly think he would have given two shits about grabbing/killing Osama at the first opportunity regardless of how Pakistan felt about it?  Please, I can't believe even all you Bush haters would buy this after how much BS was said about Bush's foreign policy and all around lack of concern for how other nations "felt" about what we're doing.

Secondly, Clinton did let Osama go.. THREE TIMES no less.  All during HIS presidency.  And none of you hypocrites are crying about that and the fact that Clinton only did everything in his terms in office to benefits one person, himself.  Bush went on a rampage after what happened.  Ask yourselves.. what was the alternative?   

I'm sure the families of the 9/11 victims are somewhat more upset. 

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 08:17:04 AM »
Based on how much Bush has cared about the opinions of the world throughout his terms do you honestly think he would have given two shits about grabbing/killing Osama at the first opportunity regardless of how Pakistan felt about it?  Please, I can't believe even all you Bush haters would buy this after how much BS was said about Bush's foreign policy and all around lack of concern for how other nations "felt" about what we're doing.

okay, I'm calling you out.

Is Huck lying about this?  Yes or no?

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2007, 11:20:37 AM »
i am not a bush hater...i think he has done a good job protecting us from another terrorist attack. that is one thing you have to give him props for, if nothing else..

but i do realize how much better of a job he could have done. on so many different issues. ANDD.... he is a corporate whore. which is too bad...he didnt have to be. he already had money and name recognition.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2007, 11:48:33 AM »
I think we covered this when the news broke a year ago....Huckabee was'nt breaking news we didn't know..He's saying regardless of Pakistan..he'd have sent in the SOF guys. Regardless... we had intel that Bin Laden might be in an area across the border...they wanted to act on it, in a short time span. By the time Washington got ahold of it..the operation was almost 200 plus people strong..way more then the Delta/Seal guys wanted or were comfortable with. We are big into risk aversion and this was much to big an operation to not notify Pakistan, again SOCOM was not about to do that so..no mission. Risk Aversion is a by product of Clinton's disasterous reign as Commander in Chief..so sure Blame Bill.
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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2007, 11:58:34 AM »
HH,

I think in your heart of hearts, you know Osama is allowed to roam freely because without him, the 20% of Americans who still support our elective wars will suddenly call it quits.

Maybe he's been allowed to roam free by past admins and this one as well... who knows... obviously the best military on earth has been handcuffed for 9 years now on grabbing him... has to be SOME reason, eh? ;)  I mean, he's one guy and can only get away so many times (98, tora bora, 05), before you start to wonder if the fix is in.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2007, 12:18:01 PM »
"In 2005, we had special forces with parachutes on their back, with Osama himself in their sights, and the White House called off the attack because they didn't want to upset Pakistan's govt". - Huckabee this AM on Meet the Press.


Are we going to blame Clinton for this one too? ;)
Huck is a conspiracy nut?

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 12:20:45 PM »
Based on how much Bush has cared about the opinions of the world throughout his terms do you honestly think he would have given two shits about grabbing/killing Osama at the first opportunity regardless of how Pakistan felt about it?  Please, I can't believe even all you Bush haters would buy this after how much BS was said about Bush's foreign policy and all around lack of concern for how other nations "felt" about what we're doing.

Secondly, Clinton did let Osama go.. THREE TIMES no less.  All during HIS presidency.  And none of you hypocrites are crying about that and the fact that Clinton only did everything in his terms in office to benefits one person, himself.  Bush went on a rampage after what happened.  Ask yourselves.. what was the alternative?   

I'm sure the families of the 9/11 victims are somewhat more upset. 
yes, correct.  We have conducted strikes secretly in pakistan already.  If they had osama in their sights, they would have taken him out.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 01:19:30 PM »
Not like this..this was going to be a monster operation that SOCOM didn't feel comforatble with...the administration was beholden to the State Department on this. If it had gone like the SOF guys wanted it would have been a small operation.  They do their own thing alot so, somebody else found out that they were pretty close to Bin Laden and kicked it higher. We are so used to Hollywood esgue ending to things like this....its incrediably hard to get folks into Pakistan and work sucessfully....the folks their hate everybody and we don't speak the various languages in that area. Its not Iraq..we've found almost everybody we've wanted there.
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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2007, 01:42:02 PM »
Not like this..this was going to be a monster operation that SOCOM didn't feel comforatble with...the administration was beholden to the State Department on this. If it had gone like the SOF guys wanted it would have been a small operation.  They do their own thing alot so, somebody else found out that they were pretty close to Bin Laden and kicked it higher. We are so used to Hollywood esgue ending to things like this....its incrediably hard to get folks into Pakistan and work sucessfully....the folks their hate everybody and we don't speak the various languages in that area. Its not Iraq..we've found almost everybody we've wanted there.

we've given 5 billion to pakistan, and 6 years.

zero results.

perhaps the 'win' here was that the paki powder keg has remained tight under musharraf, who has spent the money on summer homes or whatever else (as the money is all secret once it hits his hands).

perhaps the win is also a free osama.  HH, no MFer is that lucky, that we cannot even come close to him.  We have our entire military, the worlds top technology, and in ten years (since we stopped paying him, and he bacame our enemy), we haven't been able to sniff him out?

Dude, the fact we let 1000 cars escape tora bora ala an unguarded northern road while every general screamed - isn't THAT enough to hint at maybe "it's a good thing for our goals if we let him stay on the lam"?

HH, why is osama the luckiest MFer in history?  Why have neither clinton nor bush been able to catch him?  When you see prez Obama or Huck let him "barely escape" for 4 years, THEN will you start to wonder if maybe he's the ticket to elective war approavl by that last 20%, and allowed to escape?

Shit, why don't they just catch him?

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2007, 01:43:13 PM »
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Secondly, Clinton did let Osama go.. THREE TIMES no less.  All during HIS presidency.  And none of you hypocrites are crying about that and the fact that Clinton only did everything in his terms in office to benefits one person, himself.  Bush went on a rampage after what happened.  Ask yourselves.. what was the alternative?   

I'm sure the families of the 9/11 victims are somewhat more upset. 
That urban legend about Clinton and the 3 times has been debunked a long time ago.

Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism in the period 1999-2001, responded to these allegations in an article for the Washington Times in 2003. "Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda," wrote Cressy. "

It was Pres. Bush that wanted Bin Laden "Dead or Alive!"

I guess it was alive.

B/c Bush also said this:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

Or this?

"I don't know where he is. I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."

Or this?

"Deep in my heart I know the man's on the run, if he's alive at all...I just don't spend much time on it, really, to be honest with you."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=124945

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2007, 03:27:22 PM »
The debate about whether Bill could have had him has been tossed about many times...They could have gotten him in Sudan and they missed smokeing him in Afghanistan...maybe Clinton didn't think he was a big deal..who knows. Sorry 240..he's ina ahrd palce to get folks into. They got Saddam pretty damm quick. Honestly I don't know..I'm not part of Task Force 19 (the Joint.Colaition SOF unit formed to get him) I don't second guess everything the US military does, especially as any operation to get him is micromanged by the WH/SD and the Pentagon. Way beyond my level. If they ever get a Predator over him and its up to the Warrant Officer flying the thing..Bin Laden is gone.
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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2007, 03:32:03 PM »
well, obviously i dont know squat about the region or the military/politics behind it.

It just seems so strange that 1 guy can be public enemy #1 for ten years, and operate freely without being caught. 

Getting away so many times... I betcha if we put a $250 mil price on his head and set every merc group in the world loose, we'd have him in a box in about 48 hours.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2007, 03:39:19 PM »
There are several problems. I think u grasp the political issue with going into Pakistan...so thats one. The people all hate each other..various groups/tribes/political factions working against each other..so we can' trust anybody. They speak various languages..the terrain sucks..its about the worst place in the world...nobody (Western) has ever held the places we're talking about. The money on his head already should be enough...these people suck..dealing with them is vurtually impossible.
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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2007, 03:48:56 PM »
i agree.  IMO, we should order musharraf to place all 30 nukes in one place, inspect them, then torch it.  Without nukes they're a lot less important and we don't have to worry about 'offending' them so much.  besides, Mushy just botched the Bhutto assasination and made himself look guilty as shit for killing his opponent 2 weeks before an election.  Guilty or not, the world sure thinks he is.  He can blame AQ, but AQ sure as hell didn't release 3 different causes of death. 

anyway, obama should be toast by now by natural causes anyway.  And if he is dead, and we're keeping it quiet to keep the wars going, that's shady too.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2007, 06:13:55 PM »
yes, correct.  We have conducted strikes secretly in pakistan already.  If they had osama in their sights, they would have taken him out.

And I thank you!

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2007, 06:15:19 PM »
okay, I'm calling you out.

Is Huck lying about this?  Yes or no?

Not sure I would call it lying.  He might be obscenely misinformed or simply not have a complete understanding of the circumstances surrounding the events.  Nevertheless, it is reasonable to assume what I said is correct.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2007, 06:18:20 PM »
obviously the best military on earth has been handcuffed for 9 years now on grabbing him... has to be SOME reason, eh? ;)  I mean, he's one guy and can only get away so many times (98, tora bora, 05), before you start to wonder if the fix is in.

9 years?  C'mon 240.  Clinton was letting him go as early as 1995.  Once again you're anti-bush bias shows through when you ignore the whole story.

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Re: Huck admits we let Osama go in 2005
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2007, 07:39:32 PM »
Huck's not lying.....this story is old news.
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