Go Hawaii

[Geo]

Discuss with reckless abandon

[body88]

Discuss with reckless abandon

38 -3 right now in the fourth quarter. No disrespect to UH , but the wac is just not on the level of the top conferences. Strength of schedule/conference is a factor. If LSU had played them in the championship game it would have been much worse then this game.

That said what Hawaii has done with the resources they are provided is very very impressive. Kudos to UH. They have some great NFL caliber players on there team.

[Doug_Steele]

I just got back from the MICHIGAN VS. Florida game and i was looking forward to seeing Hawaii's high powered offense. I see it and it is Georgia 38 and Hawaii 3...i turned it off

[body88]

I just got back from the MICHIGAN VS. Florida game and i was looking forward to seeing Hawaii's high powered offense. I see it and it is Georgia 38 and Hawaii 3...i turned it off

41  - 3 now. I have to give Hawaii credit though , they have a great program considering the challenges the face recruiting.

[CARTEL]

Sorry Beach but this is why we factor in strength of schedule.

[body88]

Sorry Beach but this is why we factor in strength of schedule.

Imagine if they had played LSU? Dorsey would just pencil himself in the UH backfield for the night.

The kid had been getting pumbled all night by Georgia.

[CARTEL]

Imagine if they had played LSU? Dorsey would just pencil himself in the UH backfield for the night.

The kid had been getting pumbled all night by Georgia.

Very true. They were abusing the o-line like tackling dummies.

Too bad we don't have a playoff. It'd be interesting to see where Georgia and USC would shake out. They both played good football today.

[Geo]

this thread was in reference to UH basketball.....


they've got Utah St this thursday !


 

[Dos Equis]

Tough loss.  I thought the difference in the game was Georgia's front seven.  Extremely quick.  They abused our OTs with just a four man rush.  That dictated the entire game and led to turnovers, short field, etc.  Colt didn't have time to do squat.  Sacked him 7 times.  Knocked him down about another 10 times.  Glad he didn't get hurt.   

Our D actually played pretty well under the circumstances.  They were on the field the entire game, playing with a short field.  Georgia only had 334 total yards, so it's not like they were running up and down the field.

Those two Georgia RBs are really good.  Very impressive.  Georgia was just a better team.     

And no this wasn't some WAC v. SEC referendum.   

[OzmO]

Tough loss.  I thought the difference in the game was Georgia's front seven.  Extremely quick.  They abused our OTs with just a four man rush.  That dictated the entire game and led to turnovers, short field, etc.  Colt didn't have time to do squat.  Sacked him 7 times.  Knocked him down about another 10 times.  Glad he didn't get hurt.   

Our D actually played pretty well under the circumstances.  They were on the field the entire game, playing with a short field.  Georgia only had 334 total yards, so it's not like they were running up and down the field.

Those two Georgia RBs are really good.  Very impressive.  Georgia was just a better team.     

And no this wasn't some WAC v. SEC referendum.   

Very hard to watch.  In fact, i played my PS3 most of the second half.

I figured Georgia could run on them, but i didn't expect them to rush Colt like that.  Only goes to show you how good the SEC in comparison to the WAC.

And what about all those missed tackles?   like 14 from Hawaii.   

[columbusdude82]

Hawaii = WAAAAYYY OVERRATED!!

[Dos Equis]

Very hard to watch.  In fact, i played my PS3 most of the second half.

I figured Georgia could run on them, but i didn't expect them to rush Colt like that.  Only goes to show you how good the SEC in comparison to the WAC.

And what about all those missed tackles?   like 14 from Hawaii.   

It showed me that Hawaii couldn't handle Georgia's front seven.  Didn't tell me anything about conferences.  Just like the fact Fresno spanked Ga. Tech 40 to 28 in the Humanitarian Bowl doesn't show how good the WAC is in comparison to the ACC.

There were too many missed tackles, but our D played pretty well after the first quarter.  They were on the field most of the game, playing on a short field.  

[body88]

It showed me that Hawaii couldn't handle Georgia's front seven.  Didn't tell me anything about conferences.  Just like the fact Fresno spanked Ga. Tech 40 to 28 in the Humanitarian Bowl doesn't show how good the WAC is in comparison to the ACC.

There were too many missed tackles, but our D played pretty well after the first quarter.  They were on the field most of the game, playing on a short field.  

No disrespect Beach , but UH was dominated last night. Brennen is lucky he is still standing. It was 41 - 3 in the fourth quarter. The only time UH scored was when the dogs had most there backups in, and had clearly eased up.

The wac is not on the level of the top conferences. The talent gap on the two teams is large outside a few skill positions. The dogs put up 41 points on your d with pretty much no problem.

UH players where missing tackles due to superior athletes making them miss. I don't understand how people can think UH is on the level of the top conference. That is not a knock on UH either. They have done a GREAT job with what they have available to them , and several players from the team will go into the NFL.

[Dos Equis]

No disrespect Beach , but UH was dominated last night. Brennen is lucky he is still standing. It was 41 - 3 in the fourth quarter. The only time UH scored was when the dogs had most there backups in, and had clearly eased up.

The wac is not on the level of the top conferences. The talent gap on the two teams is large outside a few skill positions. The dogs put up 41 points on your d with pretty much no problem.

UH players where missing tackles due to superior athletes making them miss. I don't understand how people can think UH is on the level of the top conference. That is not a knock on UH either. They have done a GREAT job with what they have available to them , and several players from the team will go into the NFL.

No disrespect to me.  I don't have a personal stake in this.  Just a fan.  It's okay if we have different opinions.   

Yes they were dominated on offense.  We actually did a decent job with their O after the first quarter under the circumstances (turnovers, short field, etc.).  Georgia's ability to put pressure on Colt with a four man rush was really the difference in the game.  That led to 8 sacks, six turnovers, and numerous opportunities for Georgia.  The yardage was only 334 to 306 in favor of Georgia.  Time of possession was 30 (UH) to 29 (UG).  Both teams had 11 penalties.   

I'm not one who reads too much into one game.  Oklahoma losing to Boise didn't make any kind of "conference" statement.  Neither did UH losing to Alabama in Tuscaloosa last year by 8, coming down to the last few plays of the game.  Neither did Fresno pounding Big 12 and ACC schools this year.  Or UH beating Big Ten schools and Pac 10 schools last year and this year.  It's one team playing against another.

I'm not blown away when I watch "BCS" schools play.  We've beaten them too often for me to be in awe.  Perhaps we can get some of them to play us now.    

[body88]

No disrespect to me.  I don't have a personal stake in this.  Just a fan.  It's okay if we have different opinions.   

Yes they were dominated on offense.  We actually did a decent job with their O after the first quarter under the circumstances (turnovers, short field, etc.).  Georgia's ability to put pressure on Colt with a four man rush was really the difference in the game.  That led to 8 sacks, six turnovers, and numerous opportunities for Georgia.  The yardage was only 334 to 306 in favor of Georgia.  Time of possession was 30 (UH) to 29 (UG).  Both teams had 11 penalties.   

I'm not one who reads too much into one game.  Oklahoma beating Boise didn't make any kind of "conference" statement.  Neither did UH losing to Alabama in Tuscaloosa last year by 8, coming down to the last few plays of the game.  Neither did Fresno pounding Big 12 and ACC schools this year.  Or UH beating Big Ten schools and Pac 10 schools last year and this year.  It's one team playing against another.

I'm not blown away when I watch "BCS" schools play.  We've beaten them too often for me to be in awe.  Perhaps we can get some of them to play us now.    

Fair enough. How do you feel about the new recruits and also the future for the program?

[Dos Equis]

Fair enough. How do you feel about the new recruits and also the future for the program?

We will have a lot of holes to fill on offense.  I think Tyler Graunke will be the starting QB, but he'll get pushed by Bo Mitchell and Jake Bower (assuming they both sign).  We need help at RB.  Hopefully, Leon Wright-Jackson can improve.  He was a top 25 recruit coming out of high school.  Transferred from Nebraska.  His highlight tape was unbelieaveable.  Didn't live up to the hype.  Didn't play at all yesterday. 

We'll have holes to fill at WR, with Jason Rivers leaving and Bess probably leaving.  We have some very good WRs on the roster, so I'm not worried about that position. 

Our O-line stinks.  That should be the no. 1 recruiting priority IMO.  We lost three starters to the NFL last year, including Samson Satele, who started at center for Miami as a rookie.  We’ll only have one drafted this year (Hercules Satele).   

Losing DT Michael Lafaele will really hurt, but we have some really good players who will step in, including Josh Leonard.  Our LBs will return and all three have NFL potential:  Adam Leonard, Solomon Elimimian, and Blaze Soares. 

We'll probably have four new starters in the secondary, but we have some good ones who will step in, including Ryan Mouton, Calvin Johnson, Erick Robinson, and Le'Marcus Gibson. 

We signed some good recruits last year who redshirted.  They should help.  Recruiting so far this year has been very slow, in part because JJ's contract just expired and our incompetent AD hasn't made any progress towards locking him up.  We have commitments from a few good players, including WR Attrail Sniipes who will compete with Cal transfer Daniel Loften (James' son) to replace Jason Rivers.   

[onlyme]

No disrespect Beach , but UH was dominated last night. Brennen is lucky he is still standing. It was 41 - 3 in the fourth quarter. The only time UH scored was when the dogs had most there backups in, and had clearly eased up.

The wac is not on the level of the top conferences. The talent gap on the two teams is large outside a few skill positions. The dogs put up 41 points on your d with pretty much no problem.

UH players where missing tackles due to superior athletes making them miss. I don't understand how people can think UH is on the level of the top conference. That is not a knock on UH either. They have done a GREAT job with what they have available to them , and several players from the team will go into the NFL.

You think because UH missed tackles it was because of GA having superior athletes.  Please tell us you are joking.  If that was the case then why didn't score on every play or make 10 yards every run.  Or were they just superior to the UH players when they missed the tackle.  If I was the GA players I would go for being superior all the time and make the UH players miss tackles on every play.  GA beat the shit out of UH but I don't think it was because they were superior athletes.  A major part was the nervousness of UH evidenced by the first two plays.  The GA defensive line tore apart UH offensive line.  If there were any superiority it was that matchup.  And that was the major reason why UH or Colt didn't do shit was because Colt just didn't have time.  I don't think UH is the caliber of GA.  But considering what they have to chose from and the amount of recruiting they get to do I think they are remarkable.  And they are good enough to have several of their players going pro this year so they are very good considering.  But I do think they were outplayed and outclassed in that game.

[body88]

You think because UH missed tackles it was because of GA having superior athletes.  Please tell us you are joking.  If that was the case then why didn't score on every play or make 10 yards every run.  Or were they just superior to the UH players when they missed the tackle.  If I was the GA players I would go for being superior all the time and make the UH players miss tackles on every play.  GA beat the shit out of UH but I don't think it was because they were superior athletes.  A major part was the nervousness of UH evidenced by the first two plays.  The GA defensive line tore apart UH offensive line.  If there were any superiority it was that matchup.  And that was the major reason why UH or Colt didn't do shit was because Colt just didn't have time.  I don't think UH is the caliber of GA.  But considering what they have to chose from and the amount of recruiting they get to do I think they are remarkable.  And they are good enough to have several of their players going pro this year so they are very good considering.  But I do think they were outplayed and outclassed in that game.

I think UH got beat so bad because the dogs have far superior talent at most every position aside from wr and qb. I have a lot of respect got UH but thats how I see it. Just my opinion.

Imo UH players could not tackle well because most of the Georgia players are much better athletes and or football players then UH 's defensive players.

The dogs front seven tossed around the UH offensive line like rag dolls. They sacked Brennen at will. Im not sure how the dogs scoring 41 points to the 3 UH scored up until late in the fourth quarter when the dogs had all there backups in was not a severe mismatch either.


I did consider the recruiting and finance issues UH has to deal with. I gave them praise for what they have done , and called them a great program regardless. Several times actually , check the posts. Im not trying to basy UH , I am just stating that the talent pool Georgia picks from is far Superior to that of what UH has available. There is no shame in that at all. UH has some awesome players. especially at wr. I give them all the credit in the world.

Imo the talent UH faces in the wac is just not the same.

[CARTEL]

Beach, you and SinCity have been throwing that Boise State/Oklahoma game in our face all year as a measuring stick of how good the WAC is.

Now you think that the best WAC school getting pummeled has no relevance? 

[Dos Equis]

Beach, you and SinCity have been throwing that Boise State/Oklahoma game in our face all year as a measuring stick of how good the WAC is.

Now you think that the best WAC school getting pummeled has no relevance? 

I never threw Boise/Oklahoma in anyone's face as a measuring stick for how good the WAC is.  I can point to a number of games where WAC schools beat and/or pummeled "BCS" schools, a number of games where WAC schools played "BCS" schools tough but lost, and a number of games where WAC schools were pummeled by "BCS" schools.  Big deal. 

What often happens in these kinds of discussions is people come to the table with preconceived notions and ignore anything that contradicts or even blows up those notions.  People latch on to wins by "BCS" schools and ignore losses as "flukes."  I've come to realize it really is sort of a pointless discussion, although I don't mind pointing out the facts.    

Case in point, UH goes to one of the toughest venues in the country last year, first game of the season, and loses to Alabama by 8, with a chance to tie the game with time running out in the fourth quarter.  I heard that we put up more yards than any team at Alabama last year, including all of the SEC teams that played at Alabama.  Many other "BCS" teams have come to Aloha Stadium and lost the past three or four years, including Michigan State (who paid $250,000 to not have to play us this year), Northwestern, Purdue, and Arizona State.  We almost beat Oregon State last year (should have won that game).  But those games don't matter to people who already have their minds made up about teams they don't even watch play.  What they'll point to is the fact we got whupped by USC (and their friggin 10 first round draft picks) and Wisconsin.       

Another example, why aren't you and others talking about how much better the WAC is than the ACC, since Fresno thumped Ga. Tech a few days ago? 

[CARTEL]

Another example, why aren't you and others talking about how much better the WAC is than the ACC, since Fresno thumped Ga. Tech a few days ago? 

I would had they whipped VA Tech and not some scrub ACC team.

[Dos Equis]

I would had they whipped VA Tech and not some scrub ACC team.

lol.  That just proves my point.  If Ga. Tech would have pounded Fresno you’d be talking about how superior the ACC is.  People like you will pick and choose which games are "statement" games.  Ignore the ones that disprove your preconceived theories.  Latch on to games that supposedly support them.  In other words, these mid-major vs. "BCS" games only matter when a mid-major is playing one of the best "BCS" schools in the country.   

For that reason, the fact Fresno kicked Kansas State's butt 45 to 29 doesn't count either, because K-State is a scrub Big 12 team, right?  And Texas A & M must be a scrub team too, because Fresno took them to 3 OTs, losing 47-45 in three OTs, at A & M. 

Then there was UH running the third or fourth place team in the Big Ten (Purdue) up and down the field last year.  I doubt you'll be talking about those games?   

[CARTEL]

lol.  That just proves my point.  If Ga. Tech would have pounded Fresno you’d be talking about how superior the ACC is.  People like you will pick and choose which games are "statement" games.  Ignore the ones that disprove your preconceived theories.  Latch on to games that supposedly support them.  In other words, these mid-major vs. "BCS" games only matter when a mid-major is playing one of the best "BCS" schools in the country.   

For that reason, the fact Fresno kicked Kansas State's butt 45 to 29 doesn't count either, because K-State is a scrub Big 12 team, right?  And Texas A & M must be a scrub team too, because Fresno took them to 3 OTs, losing 47-45 in three OTs, at A & M. 

Then there was UH running the third or fourth place team in the Big Ten (Purdue) up and down the field last year.  I doubt you'll be talking about those games?   

You are the one using games to prove your point. I was just using your logic.

[Dos Equis]

You are the one using games to prove your point. I was just using your logic.

No I'm not.  I'm using them to disprove your point.  My point is these games don't amount to referendums on the superiority of various conferences.  And when you try and make that contention, there are many other games that disprove your point.

One team beating another means one team was better that day, or better period.  I have never made the argument that a game between two teams makes a statement about conferences.   

 

[ATHEIST]

They need to offer June Jones a contract, and yes the Fresno butt kicking is a good point, even i was surprised about that.
App St. beat Mich and Mich beat Fla. soooo therefore? it doesnt work like that Cartel.