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Re: TO ALL IFBB PROS
« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2008, 06:57:02 PM »
If someone were found out to be a prostitute,

the IFBB knows who's escorting, both male and female

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and arrested and convicted,

oh, so it's just don't get caught

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« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2008, 06:57:29 PM »
dont get caught  is the understanding
Apparently that's the deal.... :-\
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« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2008, 06:57:47 PM »

You're missing the point.  Independent contractors are just that, independent.  You can only require exclusivity from employees, not contractors.


Next time I need to call a roofer, I will refuse to let him do my roof unless he agrees not to take any other jobs from anyone else the whole year, despite the fact my roof will take only one week, and I will not be paying him for the other 51 weeks or anything.   ::)

You can require anything you want if the party that is signing the contract agrees to the terms....

Roofers and Plumbers are TRADES...were talking about a sport of which competition and prize money is involved...go start a competition to get your roof fixed.

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« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2008, 07:02:52 PM »
Stan McQuay probably made more from his endorsements than did most IFBB pros.  And some of that is certainly due to the TV coverage he got as a Musclemania pro.

There are plenty of examples...I'm sure we can all come up with some...not the point.

Point is...If you have aspirations of becoming a PRO bb and want the opportunity to be successful at it, then the IFBB IS YOUR BEST CHOICE...

No one said it's the ONLY way to make money from BB, as Derek Anthony does (as someone pointed out) so does Mike OHearn, so did the Barbarians, Rick Valente, etc etc....

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« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2008, 07:04:28 PM »
the IFBB knows who's escorting, both male and female

oh, so it's just don't get caught

I guess it's like the "Dont ask, don't tell" policy of the military...you should be familiar with that.

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« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2008, 07:05:36 PM »
If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.

What about Rodney St. Cloud? Wasn't he caught and in the press for quite some time?

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2008, 07:08:12 PM »
What about Rodney St. Cloud? Wasn't he caught and in the press for quite some time?

Was he convicted of anything? I lost track when he left the IFBB....

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« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2008, 07:14:36 PM »
You can require anything you want if the party that is signing the contract agrees to the terms....

That doesn't make it right.  The IFBB holds a virtually monopoly on professional bodybuilding.  As such, do the bodybuilders really "agree" to the terms dictated to them?  Seems to me they don't really have a choice.  The IFBB is a monopoly and it engages in anti-competitive practices.  You can't sit back and say "they agreed to it" and think you're on moral or legal high ground. 

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Roofers and Plumbers are TRADES...


Please explain how the difference is relevant to what we're talking about here?  Seems to me both the Plumber and bodybuilder are just trying to earn a living at their chosen profession.
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Re: TO ALL IFBB PROS
« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2008, 07:16:28 PM »
If someone were found out to be a prostitute, and arrested and convicted, the IFBB could take action against their pro card...other than that, the IFBB isn't the police dept.

*could*?

There have been a few arrests of pros.  I don't see any pro cards being revoked.

Felony arrests for drugs.  Jail time served.  No suspensions.

Personally, if I ran the joint, I'd have some higher standards for the men that graced my stages.  If you sold drugs, you're no longer welcome in my company.  Period.


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« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2008, 07:19:19 PM »
*could*?

There have been a few arrests of pros.  I don't see any pro cards being revoked.

Felony arrests for drugs.  Jail time served.  No suspensions.

Personally, if I ran the joint, I'd have some higher standards for the men that graced my stages.  If you sold drugs, you're no longer welcome in my company.  Period.


Are you saying Vics second place should be revoked? How does the face of the IFBB defend that?......Bob?
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« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2008, 07:19:49 PM »
IMO, don't go by heresay about who escorts whom.

Which athletes have embarassed the organization by being convicted of drug dealing?

Which athletes have felony records for DRUG DEALING, and are STILL ALLOWED TO COMPETE?

Lee's bad for the integrity of the sport because he competed in the UK when there was no IFBB UK show... but... your reigning ASC champ sold fucking drugs to a fucking police officer?

Holy shit, the hypocracy is sad here.  

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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2008, 07:21:47 PM »
Was he convicted of anything? I lost track when he left the IFBB....

I didn't follow the case that closely, honestly.

What about Kai Green, which someone once posted a youtube.com video of him jerking himself off (label over the graphic area) which was aimed at the gay community?
There seem to be a few examples out there, that go "unnoticed." That's all I'm saying.

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« Reply #137 on: January 06, 2008, 07:22:18 PM »
Are you saying Vics second place should be revoked? How does the face of the IFBB defend that?......Bob?

I'm saying there needs to be CONSISTENCY.

If you ban lee because he hurts the integrity of your organization, that's fine.

Then you need to ban members who commit drug felonies, as well.

If you have high enough standards to ban a man for life because he competes elsewhere, why not ban a man who SELLS FVCKING DRUGS?


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« Reply #138 on: January 06, 2008, 07:23:58 PM »
That doesn't make it right.  The IFBB holds a virtually monopoly on professional bodybuilding.  As such, do the bodybuilders really "agree" to the terms dictated to them?  Seems to me they don't really have a choice.  The IFBB is a monopoly and it engages in anti-competitive practices.  You can't sit back and say "they agreed to it" and think you're on moral or legal high ground. 

It's a monopoly by default...there simply isn't enough talent pool to make another rival federation. If there were, there would be plenty of competition for the IFBB, which would put the athletes in a much better position
 

Please explain how the difference is relevant to what we're talking about here?  Seems to me both the Plumber and bodybuilder are just trying to earn a living at their chosen profession.

The plumber is working a JOB, the bodybuilder is in a sport based on competing...they do have one thing in common though..if they suck at what they do, they don't make any money.
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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2008, 07:32:54 PM »
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Monopolies are not allowed to engage in anti-competitive practices designed to maintain their monopoly position.  I would think blackballing athletes who consider competing in other federations from the industry certainly qualifies.  Too bad nobody cares enough about bodybuilding to file suit.
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« Reply #140 on: January 06, 2008, 07:40:32 PM »
IMO, don't go by heresay about who escorts whom.

Which athletes have embarassed the organization by being convicted of drug dealing?

Which athletes have felony records for DRUG DEALING, and are STILL ALLOWED TO COMPETE?

Lee's bad for the integrity of the sport because he competed in the UK when there was no IFBB UK show... but... your reigning ASC champ sold fucking drugs to a fucking police officer?

Holy shit, the hypocracy is sad here.  

I hear what you're saying, but ALL sports have similiar issues.....if you took all the guys with convictions out of the NFL and NBA...the league would fold tent faster than the PDI...not to mention SAG

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« Reply #141 on: January 06, 2008, 07:41:01 PM »
Yeah. I'm not too sure about Lee, but Titus was (obviously) one very unstable guy. I think Lee is just a bit quirky, not anything actually wrong with him.

No person with a face tattoo has ever been called "stable".
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« Reply #142 on: January 06, 2008, 07:48:06 PM »
I post a simple reminder and I'm "full of shit"..? and a "company man"..?

What the hell are you talking about??

How about "This evenings event is sold out"  Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.

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« Reply #143 on: January 06, 2008, 07:49:05 PM »
How about "This evenings event is sold out"  Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.

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« Reply #144 on: January 06, 2008, 07:51:17 PM »
How about "This evenings event is sold out"  Olympia 2007?
I was there, walked down from the "nosebleed" seats to a seat of my choice much closer to the stage.

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Sold out, doesn't mean everyone who has a ticket shows, or is there at the same time....I doubt very highly your "seat of choice" was on the floor

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« Reply #145 on: January 06, 2008, 07:52:50 PM »
Chick, are you saying that every IFBB "pro" has been offered the same opportunities as you?

Yep, sure have. In a sport decided by individual talent and competition...it's up to the athlete to do the best with what they have. I was never going to challenge any of the top 5 for the Olympia, but excelled in other areas and utilized my skills to make a living from the sport.

 You are so caught up in being the front man for the IFBB and not the "athletes" it has affected your judgement. It is obvious to most here that you spin any argument you can to make the IFBB look right in it's decisions, when in reality they are stopping some of the guys that aren't top 10 from making extra money.

If you're not in the top 15-20, it's pretty tough to make any real money anyways( at least from prize money) for the simple fact that people want the BEST, and the best will always get bigger money for obvious reasons...PDI was a great example of that, Le made money, so did Sami, St. Cloud...the BEST of what they had...the rest, made nothing....no different. It's not called "spin" it's called "REALITY".


If I find time, I will look for specific examples of wwe guys showing up and performing at smaller shows for you, OK?

You do that...good luck

One more question, noy being an ass, but how many times and what examples can you give, that would show you have gone to bat for specific people in the IFBB, not talking prize money, but who has run into trouble that you've helped out? Anyone?

Sure...

Silvio- had to negotiate for him not to get fined for pictures posted by Milos which violated his contract.  RESULT: no fine

Don Long- although I didn't agree with his decision to compete again, I represented on his behalf tomake it a possibility. RESULT: he was cleared to compete

Lee- At his request, I went to bat and tried to get his suspension lifted the day of the AC Pro to alow him to compete. RESULT: rejected due to his previously rejecting offer to came back

Milos-Put together and submitted his official appeal to the suspension resulting from the Paul Chua allegation, this was done on MIlos' behalf as he was out of the country and couldn't be reached. RESULT: appeal rejected based on Milos' own previous admission of guilt

NUmerous other endeavors including submitting Silvio's name to the ASC as he was out of the country...and of course, numerous submissions/ proposals resulting in more money to pro's, more qualifying spots for the O, per diem increase, no declaration rule (for the women) judging changes (more rounds of comparison), etc, etc....



 The cases documented here on getbig Lee, Milos..seem to point to you telling the bber to do what IFBB wants instead of you fighting the IFBB for bbers.

One more edit...by saying "how many of those pros are in the top 20"? does that mean pros out of the top 20 are subject to different rules? Thanks for your time.




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« Reply #146 on: January 06, 2008, 07:54:37 PM »
Sold out, doesn't mean everyone who has a ticket shows, or is there at the same time....I doubt very highly your "seat of choice" was on the floor

So you're saying people will buy tickets to the Single most important Bodybuilding Show every year and NOT show up?

Really?

What DOES that say about the O then?

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« Reply #147 on: January 06, 2008, 07:56:39 PM »
So you're saying people will buy tickets to the Single most important Bodybuilding Show every year and NOT show up?

Really?

What DOES that say about the O then?

Some people are only interested in attending one night or the other....other "comp" ticket holders sometimes don't attend

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« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2008, 07:58:19 PM »
Some people are only interested in attending one night or the other....other "comp" ticket holders sometimes don't attend

Again, what does that say about the interest in the O?

You never hear about an empty seat during at 7 game World Series, or the Superbowl, or any other SINGLE most important event in a sport.

What is your opinion on this Chick?

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« Reply #149 on: January 06, 2008, 08:00:16 PM »
Again, what does that say about the interest in the O?

You never hear about an empty seat during at 7 game World Series, or the Superbowl, or any other SINGLE most important event in a sport.

What is your opinion on this Chick?

Guess were not on par with the Superbowl or the World Series, huh?