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Sins of a Father
« on: January 16, 2008, 08:28:45 PM »
Corey Gahan was a champion in-line skater at 13.
Then his dad put him on a regimen of steroids and HgH

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/01/15/sins.of.a.father0121/
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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 09:35:03 PM »
father is an idiot and criminal....

aas should be a contious choice of an adult, informed and prepared to face consequences

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 05:58:58 AM »
Perfect example of what happens when you mix an idiot with AAS...sad really, it makes all of us look bad.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 06:07:02 AM »
Ya its way wrong,,,
but recall this was standard procedure in State Sponsored doping in the Soviet states.
I dont recall how young they went, but AAS was standard protocol in their star athletes.

These drugs are nowhere near the danger  they are being portrayed as.
I puke when I overhear the public talkin' about "Steroids".  ::)
The ignorance is just getting worse and worse.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 07:05:24 AM »
Way wrong! Trab you are so right, the ignorance is friggin ridiculous. This cat at my work was trying to tell a few of us about how bad gear is and how it shrinks your dick and your internal organs. Then he started to go on and on about roid rage and how Benoit was roid raging when he killed his family. It was just stupid. I just sat back and played dumb. I so wanted to put him in his place, but I couldn't even bring it up at work. They would put two and two together and then there could be trouble.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 07:09:37 AM »
Its esp pathetic when you have to listen to it from medical profs that are clearly ignorant.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 09:20:59 AM »
Its esp pathetic when you have to listen to it from medical profs that are clearly ignorant.

That REALLY irritates me, especially in this day and age.  When I was looking around for a new doctor last year I walked out of 2 offices  because the instant I mentioned AAS usage they started throwing out a bunch of bullshit.  I tried countering with logic and reason but it was like talking to a fanatical religious person, they were just set in their ways heh.  Took a bit but I have a very good doctor now and he  knows his shit.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 01:48:12 PM »
Its esp pathetic when you have to listen to it from medical profs that are clearly ignorant.

It is a shame. really.

Truth be told, though, this comes from a combination of factors.  I went to one of the top 5 rated medical schools in the US, and never once heard a word about anabolic steroids, not in my pharmacology class, not on the wards, nowhere.  But why would I??  The actual medical indications for anabolic steroids were essentially non-existent, and still are, really.  Sure, I learned a heck of a lot about them back then, but that was only because I had a strong personal interest in them--at every level--both pharmacologic and endocrinologic.

So it is not a surprise that most doctors are not knowledgeable about them.  What bothers me most, though, is the lack of desire to actually learn more about them, especially if you have a patient that takes them.  Sure, it is a physician's responsibility to talk to you about the risks involved, but the decision to take them is, ultimately, yours to make.  And many doctors just don't have the balls to say they simply don't know the answer to something.  They would rather spout out statements that are not backed up by any legitimate data than to actually investigate the answers themselves, or simply just say "I don't really know." 

And no, I wouldn't expect any rational physician to write you a script for them. But in the end, they should own up and help you stay as healthy as possible while you are on.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 02:04:12 PM »
Corey Gahan was a champion in-line skater at 13.
Then his dad put him on a regimen of steroids and HgH

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/01/15/sins.of.a.father0121/

Sins indeed.

This is why AAS/GH are for adults only.......and preferably mid-twenties and up.

That kid's childhood was ruined......probably damaged his growth plates and pituitary along the way.....

I can't believe a father would actually think he was helping his son by doing this.

He weighs 20lbs. less at eighteen than he did at fifteen.....

Tell me that's not a blow to the ego for a kid.   :-X



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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 03:02:49 PM »
He weighs 20lbs. less at eighteen than he did at fifteen.....

Tell me that's not a blow to the ego for a kid.   :-X
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Yea I can relate (not with the aas use) with being small at that age.  I weighed about a 140lbs soaking wet in high school.  I was very lean from playing soccer for 14 years and it was pretty rough just having to deal with bigger guys.  Thankfully my best friend was the biggest toughest bastard in school so when someone was dumb enough to mess with me he'd crush their skull =)

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 06:18:05 PM »
It is a shame. really.

Truth be told, though, this comes from a combination of factors.  I went to one of the top 5 rated medical schools in the US, and never once heard a word about anabolic steroids, not in my pharmacology class, not on the wards, nowhere.  But why would I??  The actual medical indications for anabolic steroids were essentially non-existent, and still are, really.  Sure, I learned a heck of a lot about them back then, but that was only because I had a strong personal interest in them--at every level--both pharmacologic and endocrinologic.

So it is not a surprise that most doctors are not knowledgeable about them.  What bothers me most, though, is the lack of desire to actually learn more about them, especially if you have a patient that takes them.  Sure, it is a physician's responsibility to talk to you about the risks involved, but the decision to take them is, ultimately, yours to make.  And many doctors just don't have the balls to say they simply don't know the answer to something.  They would rather spout out statements that are not backed up by any legitimate data than to actually investigate the answers themselves, or simply just say "I don't really know." 

And no, I wouldn't expect any rational physician to write you a script for them. But in the end, they should own up and help you stay as healthy as possible while you are on.

Just my thoughts.

Hey Doc Freak, just want to say, .... I allways enjoy your writing and appreciate the time you put in your posts.
I dont in any way lump you in with the other medical lump heads I've had the misfortune of dealing with.

Some have been down right pathetic.....
One Dr stood there with a straight face lecturing me that anabolic steroids would "eat my bones"  ;D  ::)
 "We see it all the time in the hospital w/ patients on steroids long term..."

Ok, the guy is family practice and also delivers babies. My wife says she wouldn't trust him to deliver puppies...
I'm really amazed some of them Ive met made it thru Medical School is all I can say.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 06:21:09 PM »
It seems to me that a lot of the "older" doctors are more of the type to be negative toward steroid use.  The several ones I had dealings with last year were all 50-60 years of age.  The doc I have now is in his late 30's and is very open to discussion about everything.

Just like with everything, all doctors are not created equal.  It's like finding the right mechanic for your car, a lot of fucking douche bags out there, but when you find the right one, oh it's so sweet =)

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2008, 06:29:15 PM »
It seems to me that a lot of the "older" doctors are more of the type to be negative toward steroid use.  The several ones I had dealings with last year were all 50-60 years of age.  The doc I have now is in his late 30's and is very open to discussion about everything.

Just like with everything, all doctors are not created equal.  It's like finding the right mechanic for your car, a lot of fucking douche bags out there, but when you find the right one, oh it's so sweet =)

Whew, I was glad after reading this topic that there were no pictures of a priest and a young boy going at it when I opened it up....

E, did the old geisers want to script you an anti depressant? Seems that is their fix if they have no knowledge of AAS or HRT!


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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2008, 07:39:35 PM »
Whew, I was glad after reading this topic that there were no pictures of a priest and a young boy going at it when I opened it up....

E, did the old geisers want to script you an anti depressant? Seems that is their fix if they have no knowledge of AAS or HRT!


That was the first thing out of their mouth.  Ahh, you're suffering from low libido, depression, lethargy, clouding thinking you must need Zoloft...

It's a shame so many of them are just pill pushers these days, they get huge kick backs from the pharm industry to push their wares.  I sometimes wonder if this was what it was like 300 years ago, I don't things have really changed that much in that regard.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 08:52:38 PM »
That was the first thing out of their mouth.  Ahh, you're suffering from low libido, depression, lethargy, clouding thinking you must need Zoloft...

It's a shame so many of them are just pill pushers these days, they get huge kick backs from the pharm industry to push their wares.  I sometimes wonder if this was what it was like 300 years ago, I don't things have really changed that much in that regard.

HRT will be the new craze because of all the baby boomers who are aging.

They don't want to grow old, so they'll get their PCP to prescribe testosterone.

You watch..........

In about twenty years, HRT will be commonplace.


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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2008, 11:25:59 PM »
HRT will be the new craze because of all the baby boomers who are aging.

They don't want to grow old, so they'll get their PCP to prescribe testosterone.

You watch..........

In about twenty years, HRT will be commonplace.


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Well California seems to set the trend with a lot of things for the rest of the country and there are HRT clinics popping up here every day so I certainly don't doubt it.  Hopefully with this onset of ant-aging we'll get some new stuff developed/discovered =)

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2008, 05:14:55 AM »
HRT will be the new craze because of all the baby boomers who are aging.

They don't want to grow old, so they'll get their PCP to prescribe testosterone.

You watch..........

In about twenty years, HRT will be commonplace.


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Absolutely true. 

It will be recognized one day at the same level that menopause is recognized in females.

Insurance companies (including Medicare) will, however, take the longest to come around and actually pay for it.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2008, 05:32:43 AM »
Absolutely true. 

It will be recognized one day at the same level that menopause is recognized in females.

Insurance companies (including Medicare) will, however, take the longest to come around and actually pay for it.

Yeah to the insurance companies your cheaper dead.

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2008, 05:43:41 AM »
Yeah to the insurance companies your cheaper dead.

Actually in reality, AAS increase production, efficiency and job longevity for hard work.
Shit, I got at least 2 extra years out of my body in brutal trades work.
They are cost effective as far as I'm concerned.

Hey, That Baseball thrower guy .... Rodger whats-his-name  might consider AAS and HGH to squeeze out a few more years of play when his body finally starts going downhill - Huh?  ???  ;D

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2008, 06:00:46 AM »
Whew, I was glad after reading this topic that there were no pictures of a priest and a young boy...

 :)
Seriously,
It’s cases like these that give AAS and those who legitimately use them a bad name.
Let the media report a story like this (& the Benoit tragedy), and it’s no wonder the public reacts the way it does.


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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2008, 07:02:32 AM »
HRT will be the new craze because of all the baby boomers who are aging.

They don't want to grow old, so they'll get their PCP to prescribe testosterone.

You watch..........

In about twenty years, HRT will be commonplace.


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I think it is more prevelent now than we realize. Sure the old time docs do not understand the medical value behind HRT but the new crop coming in will!

I had a medical plan that actually paid for 85% of my scripts. Was getting the cream for $30 a bottle. There are a lot of docs here in Az that know what they are doing in regards to HRT. One has a pharmacy attached to his practice. You walk out of his office, into the pharmacy and pick your shit up! Most success I have had is with Sports Docs. They still are physicians but they get it...

We need to fight for our right to counter ANDROPAUSE DAMMIT!!  :D

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2008, 08:05:45 AM »

We need to fight for our right to counter ANDROPAUSE DAMMIT!!  :D

Like it!

How 'bout "manopause"?

Or "no-sperm-in-my-drawers-o'pause"?

Or "can't-get-it-up-no-more-no-pause"?

Others?

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2008, 09:36:11 AM »
Like it!

How 'bout "manopause"?

Or "no-sperm-in-my-drawers-o'pause"?

Or "can't-get-it-up-no-more-no-pause"?

Others?

"Limp Dick Pause"


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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2008, 10:15:03 AM »
HRT will be the new craze because of all the baby boomers who are aging.

They don't want to grow old, so they'll get their PCP to prescribe testosterone.

You watch..........

In about twenty years, HRT will be commonplace.


DIV
Sooner then that IMO

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Re: Sins of a Father
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2008, 10:42:05 AM »
I'm not so optimistic. There seems a new concerted push against it and dissinformation campaign from the govt and Insh Cos.  Mainstreem news likes to publish all the bullshit research.

The mere mention of the word testosterone level was met with near combativeness from the last Dr I spoke with. When I argued intelligently and calm she finally said, "I wouldn't know what to do if it was out of range".

Couple that w/ the medical industry's need for totally anal slow step by step monitoring and its basically a road to nowhere except w/ a private practice specialising in HRT for men.

My experience is the average HMO endocrinologist is going to run you in circles till he gets something close to a low range normal reading naturally and declare victory. In the meantime many a BMW payment had been made.

Utterly disgusting is all I can say about the state of American medicine.
Some of the stunts Ive seen pulled over the last years by Hospitals and Dr are repulsive.

Just Consider "Urgent Care".  ::)  Please.