h.i.t. training

[candidizzle]

sounds pretty good bro can i ask why smith machine on shrugs?? just wondering....it sounds pretty friggen taxing bro keep up the hard work bro...

the smith machine alloows for more weight to be used on the traps than if you were to use a barbell alone, plus, its easier to get the bar up and hold for a good squeeze.

of course, barbell shrugs have their place too, as the smith machine doesnt hit all of the muscles of the traps that the free weights do..so its vital to interchange the movements every couple of weeks.

[ngm21084]

honestly i actually rotate between standing and seated DB shrugs and BB shrugs...so i was just wondering what your thoughts were....i love the seated DB but its humbling because there is no cheat on it at all really...but to each their own...

[candidizzle]

honestly i actually rotate between standing and seated DB shrugs and BB shrugs...so i was just wondering what your thoughts were....i love the seated DB but its humbling because there is no cheat on it at all really...but to each their own...

hey thats a great idea bro i have never seen anyone do those nor thought about the possibility of doig them seated with dumbells. on wednesday im going to sugest that we do them.

[ngm21084]

yea bro give it a go its pretty good as far as burn and still a full ROM but i like them cause it is very isolating and nearly imposible to cheat...

[PANDAEMONIUM]

hey guys. up untill a month ago...i was in the gym every day, 7 days a week, 365...i even trained on christmas and on my birthday and when i was sick. i literally hadnt missed a workout in three years.(except when i was in rehab of course.)  and my training style was verty high volume..at least 4 movements per body part...roughly 4 to 5 sets per movement..and 6-12 reps per set. my split was a 5 day repeating cycle of arms, chest&hams, shoulders&traps, back, quads&calves.

well for the last month i have been doing h.i.t. training...one or two warm up sets, one all out working set..two movements per body part...  3 days a week in the gym.. each muscle getting hit 3 times every two weeks.     

i have made huge improvements! for the first time in my life i am develping a chest...and my quads are looking sick.

If you were really training EVERY day, no wonder you never made any size gains.  Getting big is really simple.  Just lift your heart out every workout until you feel like you're gonna die, go home and eat a shit ton of food, and get a lot of rest.  With high volume routines, if you're a natty, you shouldn't be in the gym more than three days a week.

As for HIT, you've probably made gains initially because this is what usually happens when you switch to a totally new style of training after a long time, and also because the low volume is giving your body a chance to "catch up" with itself and get a breather.

I've used HIT routines every now and then, but make no mistake, these are NOT for putting on size.  At least not for a natty.  Maybe some folks CAN do it, but I was never able to gain shit on textbook HIT and never knew anybody who could.  Unless of course you do one brief, intense HIT workout per day, every day of the week, which is like the poor man's volume routine.

[mrhighintensity]

I have made the best gains on my traps doing shrugs with a standing calf machine - you dont need to use ur arms and have all the weight right on ur traps - it allows u to get a full stretch and full contraction at the top. I sometimes combine this with a superset of deadlifts (also taxes the traps) for my lower back - a great add to ur entire back workout unless ur doing ur traps with delts which is ok too.

HIT HARD!
MR

[natural al]

If you were really training EVERY day, no wonder you never made any size gains.  Getting big is really simple.  Just lift your heart out every workout until you feel like you're gonna die, go home and eat a shit ton of food, and get a lot of rest.  With high volume routines, if you're a natty, you shouldn't be in the gym more than three days a week.

As for HIT, you've probably made gains initially because this is what usually happens when you switch to a totally new style of training after a long time, and also because the low volume is giving your body a chance to "catch up" with itself and get a breather.

I've used HIT routines every now and then, but make no mistake, these are NOT for putting on size.  At least not for a natty.  Maybe some folks CAN do it, but I was never able to gain shit on textbook HIT and never knew anybody who could.  Unless of course you do one brief, intense HIT workout per day, every day of the week, which is like the poor man's volume routine.

no offense at all but I'd like to see exactly what you were doing when you were doing HIT.  I've done a TON of reading on it over the last couple of years and I'm convinced that 99% of the people misunderstand it in terms of what the original intentions of the routine were/are as laid out by Arthur Jones. 

I would say that if you're natty and doing hit-real HIT where you feel like you're gonna die after the workout-limit days in the gym to 2 at first, whole body training but bust your ass with the heaviest weights possible, straight sets to start off with.  I'd do whole body workouts...if you seem to be recovering well add a couple of intensity techniques but monitor things to make sure you're recovering and then add some things, like a 3rd day as you go along. 

[candidizzle]

yeah...like natty al said...you have to be DEAD after your workouts. or else your not hitting it hard enough.    i go all out 150% balls to the walls in ever workout, every working set.    its actually a pretty fun challenge and im learning to love the pain.    using techniques like forced negatives, drop sets, static holds, and weighted stretches at the end of the workset really ratchets up the intensity as well.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

no offense at all but I'd like to see exactly what you were doing when you were doing HIT.  I've done a TON of reading on it over the last couple of years and I'm convinced that 99% of the people misunderstand it in terms of what the original intentions of the routine were/are as laid out by Arthur Jones. 

I would say that if you're natty and doing hit-real HIT where you feel like you're gonna die after the workout-limit days in the gym to 2 at first, whole body training but bust your ass with the heaviest weights possible, straight sets to start off with.  I'd do whole body workouts...if you seem to be recovering well add a couple of intensity techniques but monitor things to make sure you're recovering and then add some things, like a 3rd day as you go along. 

I was talking more about the one set to failure mentality.  I actually do use a HIT mentality (balls to the walls) when I train.  I train most sets to failure, etc.  Difference is, I do LOTS of sets this way, not just one or two sets and then call it quits.

[candidizzle]

I was talking more about the one set to failure mentality.  I actually do use a HIT mentality (balls to the walls) when I train.  I train most sets to failure, etc.  Difference is, I do LOTS of sets this way, not just one or two sets and then call it quits.

you cant be doing h.i.t. the true h.i.t. way and be doing it for hgh volume/numerous sets. no unless your a marathon runner on the side..and then your weak as fuck anyways.  hahah.    no but really,,   if you are training to failure on mutliple sets on multiple exercises, you are most likely WAYYYYYY over training.    you will need probably close to 2 weeks to recover from such a workout.

[Emmortal]

If you've seen Panda, I don't think you'd say he's ever over trained =)

[candidizzle]

If you've seen Panda, I don't think you'd say he's ever over trained =)

hahaha...fatboy, let me guess..? lol..   anyone that constantly sides with dave has got to be a fatty

[The Squadfather]

hahaha...fatboy, let me guess..? lol..   anyone that constantly sides with dave has got to be a fatty

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Emmortal]

hahaha...fatboy, let me guess..? lol..   anyone that constantly sides with dave has got to be a fatty

He's a little chunky, but you gotta be big to lift big son, he's a powerlifter so I don't think he's overly concerned with how ripped he is.

[candidizzle]

He's a little chunky, but you gotta be big to lift big son, he's a powerlifter so I don't think he's overly concerned with how ripped he is.

thats not true...look at marius pudganowski(however the fuck you spell his name)...  over eating and getting fat has nothing to do with gaining strength or gaining muscle. you can get just as big or just as strong..whatever your goal...  in the same amount of time without getting fat..   and you actually become less anabolic once you get past a certain bodyfat..around 13%..everybody's a little bit different though..

[Emmortal]

Marius is a freak of nature,  you can't really go by the top .5% of the genetic gene pool.  And the dude is HUGE, I didn't say you have to be fat, you have to be BIG and Marius is a freaking monster.  I've only seen a few pics of Panda, and the guy is a beast, he could drop some BF sure, but to each his own.

[candidizzle]

post his pictures then...     if hes a big guy then it wont do him any harm on here.. nobody attacks fat guys , because the only person that attacks people IS a fat guy..

[natural al]

I was talking more about the one set to failure mentality.  I actually do use a HIT mentality (balls to the walls) when I train.  I train most sets to failure, etc.  Difference is, I do LOTS of sets this way, not just one or two sets and then call it quits.

if you're doing more than one set, or one pre-exhaust set followed by one working set you're putting the compromising you're CNS's ability to recover.  Everyone makes this mistake when they talk about HIT, not because they're wrong but because there is alot of misinformation out there about what Jones was trying to do when he came up with the concepts.  It's like back when I was doing blood n guts, I would do heavy drop sets but instead of doing one or 2 high intesity drop sets for a movement I would do 3 or 4 cause I didn't know how to destroy the bodypart in that limited amount of volume. 

HIT CAN work but when you do certain things have to be done or you won't get the results you want to get.  There's a learning curve, you don't instinctivly know how to train hard-at least as hard as is required in HIT-you learn how to do it.

It's kinda like when people say "dc training doesn't work" and I'll say well what were you doing and they'll talk about 3 movements for chest, 2 sets each, rest pausing everything with forced reps and maybe drop setting the last set....when I say well that's not really DC they'll say "well I was using all DC principles, the program just doesn't work"....hope that made sense, I'm super busy so I had to type this up in blocks...

[PANDAEMONIUM]

post his pictures then...     if hes a big guy then it wont do him any harm on here.. nobody attacks fat guys , because the only person that attacks people IS a fat guy..

Here ya go.

[candidizzle]

damn dude you are big as hell....soft and bloated as hell too...but that is some serious SIZE regardless.

[webcake]

Here ya go.

Powerful looking physique right there.

[ngm21084]

damn bro your fuckin huge...nice size bro...

[mrhighintensity]

Here ya go.

Does this guy "Train to failure" or EAT to failure? - LOL

MR

[PANDAEMONIUM]

Does this guy "Train to failure" or EAT to failure? - LOL

MR

Coming from a 190 lb BEAST like yourself, I'll take that as a compliment

[mrhighintensity]

Coming from a 190 lb BEAST like yourself, I'll take that as a compliment

actually 224 buddy...the last time I was 190 is when I used my fake ID to get into a club - LOL



HIT HARD!
MR