Author Topic: Magoo: The Quest for a 405 bench  (Read 108702 times)

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Re: Magoo goes back to the grind. time to slim down a bit.
« Reply #575 on: August 12, 2008, 12:44:24 PM »
id' say go from 225 straight to 315..that 275 in between will smoke ya with an extra 315?  go 225,315, 365 and that should peg it. nice work mang!

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« Reply #576 on: August 12, 2008, 12:48:31 PM »
if u are capable of 500lbs 225-315 are all weights which will feel the same.

E.g 100-150lbs on bench all feels same to me

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« Reply #577 on: August 12, 2008, 01:36:33 PM »
if u are capable of 500lbs 225-315 are all weights which will feel the same.

E.g 100-150lbs on bench all feels same to me
::) 315 IN NO WAY feels the same as 225 even if you bench, dead or squat 1000, it's almost 100 pounds difference.

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« Reply #578 on: August 12, 2008, 02:24:38 PM »
::) 315 IN NO WAY feels the same as 225 even if you bench, dead or squat 1000, it's almost 100 pounds difference.

Then again, you and I are mere mortals compared to this irish stud ::)

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« Reply #579 on: August 12, 2008, 02:47:23 PM »
::) 315 IN NO WAY feels the same as 225 even if you bench, dead or squat 1000, it's almost 100 pounds difference.

what i mean is that it is a warm up and takes little or nothing out of you.

I feel more secure and stronger benching 200lbs than the awkwardness with using a very light weight like 100lbs feels. Despite being 100lbs more i am pretty sure i can press 100lbs just as fast as i can 200lbs...or pretty close

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« Reply #580 on: August 12, 2008, 02:52:50 PM »
225 and 315 feel exactly the same......



if it's sitting in the back of my truck !

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« Reply #581 on: August 12, 2008, 02:56:07 PM »
225 and 315 feel exactly the same......



if it's sitting in the back of my truck !
LOL

what i mean is that one is 40% of 1rm and otehr is say 60% it is relatiively light still.

Whereas a 50lb diff from 80-90% of a 1rm is insane difference

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« Reply #582 on: August 12, 2008, 03:04:27 PM »
LOL

what i mean is that one is 40% of 1rm and otehr is say 60% it is relatiively light still.

Whereas a 50lb diff from 80-90% of a 1rm is insane difference

We all understood what you meant.

Some people just enjoy talking shit.

Good luck!

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« Reply #583 on: August 12, 2008, 03:06:22 PM »
We all understood what you meant.

Some people just enjoy talking shit.

Good luck!

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haha cheers bud. I slacked on my trainin will explain all in my journal after tomorro training.

Cheers again mate

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« Reply #584 on: August 12, 2008, 03:42:19 PM »
Looking at Mister Magoo's Tuesday program, I would take those DB benches and place them first as a warm-up exercise to start the workout. Easy blood flow indeed. Which in turn sets up the muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints as well as the nerve impulses, for a very good warm-up.

Remove the front raises. I know, somewhat popular with a few heavy duty lifters. Good for them, but this can be overkill for a lot of middle level trainee's, which Mister Magoo is. Declines OK I guess. (Personal view: for me I would want to bring more tricep & anterior delts into action with dips.  Which in turn offers more pressing strength to the bench.) Pull-ups with that bwtX8, easy reps it looks like.  Crossovers....? Unneeded extra work for the chest area to recover from.


 Tuesday:

DB benches 50lbsX40 reps...allowing full stretch and lockout each rep

Bench Press

205X8 or what you can get without going to complete failure
260X8       "       "    "     "       "         "     "     "           "
305X2-3           "              "           "             "
305X2-3      "            "              "            "            "
305X2-3     "     "              "             "          "     "        "
135lbs....strip the bar done to the basic and rep out as many fast reps as you can
Do not try singles on any set. Just add weight or reps the next work, going back to a pattern of 2 to 3 reps, when you think you can handle it.. Strength or reps should increase every workout, if going to failure is avoided.

Declines  
230X5       or what you can get without going to failure
280X5           "           "             "              "           "        '
325X3-4     "        "          "            "              "            "

Pull-Ups
20X8
40X8
50X6-7
BWT for as how many rep you can do.

Every successful workout should be short and to the point, without any excess of warm-ups or exercises.

Actually there will seem not that much of a different between 205 or 305 if use to heavier weights. If I were to use 500X1 max in the bench,than the strength curve would probably kick in at around 420-430 or so. Where every added 10-20 pounds starts to make a difference in performance. But 400 would not feel "all that" for reps. Good Luck.
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« Reply #585 on: August 12, 2008, 03:45:34 PM »
Looking at Mister Magoo's Tuesday program, I would take those DB benches and place them first as a warm-up exercise to start the workout. Easy blood flow indeed. Which in turn sets up the muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints as well as the nerve impulses, for a very good warm-up.



But since Magoo's main goal (from what I understand...correct me if I'm wrong) is building a bigger BP, it's kind of stupid to do a pre-workout "pump" routine, which is more suited to a hypertrophy-orientated program.  Know whatta mean?

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« Reply #586 on: August 12, 2008, 05:38:25 PM »
Then again, you and I are mere mortals compared to this irish stud ::)
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« Reply #587 on: August 12, 2008, 05:42:23 PM »
Pandaemonium: Actually if you read that again, that set of DB light and higher rep benches are meant to stretch and warm-up the bench pressing muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints, etc. It was not intended as a pump for the purpose of hypertrophy (and of course as we all know, a pump does not always mean muscle growth...it is what it is...a pump). If you think his 75X35 will put him on the road to more muscle size, than you are mistaken. That easy blood flush is a good way to stimulate and ready those bench pressing muscles, that's all.

If I were to suggest a muscle building exercise in that program, than 3 to 4 sets of heavy DB presses, touching the DB's together at the top of each rep. This put's more tension on the pec's themselves than just regular flat DB BP's. Is a pec builder when done right.

To be truthful I really do not know what the prime goal is for Mister Magoo . Strength,muscle size or both. I am guessing, at this time, it is obtaining a membership in the 400 Bench Club. But a little added muscle mass would not hurt either. In any event, it is apparent that Mister Magoo is near the edge of becoming overworked and over stressed. Hate to see this happen to people when some simple corrections can guide him back to progressive gains.  That is the reason the suggestion of taking a few weeks off from training was mentioned. Where he has time for his  head to cleared and his body becomes refreshed for better workouts to come.  Good Luck.
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« Reply #588 on: August 12, 2008, 05:52:48 PM »
I agree on the 2 weeks off. I usually use one week for full body (3 days) with anywhere from 135 to 225 and then a full week off with nothing but walking and stretching. I call it two weeks off anyway. I wouldnt recommend any long runs though.

I will be doing this in a couple weeks to prepare for a comp. This is the way I was taught to rest up for a comp and it really works well! I come in making PR's everytime.

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« Reply #589 on: August 12, 2008, 07:21:53 PM »
If you think his 75X35 will put him on the road to more muscle size, than you are mistaken. That easy blood flush is a good way to stimulate and ready those bench pressing muscles, that's all.



But you don't need that many reps and that much warmup to ready yourself for submaximal efforts or even max lifts.  Unless you're benching in the mid to upper 400s for a 1 RM, pushing the 75 pounders for 35 reps is gonna pre-exhaust you.  If you want just a "stretch," as you say, then use something absurdly light like the 35's (not that the 75's are "heavy", mind you, but still).

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« Reply #590 on: August 12, 2008, 10:16:02 PM »
::) 315 IN NO WAY feels the same as 225 even if you bench, dead or squat 1000, it's almost 100 pounds difference.

it's funny you say that.. 225 and 315 feel the same to me and MOVE the same during hte pressing.  365 actually feels better workign with than 315 does though i'm not sure why.

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« Reply #591 on: August 12, 2008, 10:18:21 PM »
haha cheers bud. I slacked on my trainin will explain all in my journal after tomorro training.

Cheers again mate

well that's what i'm saying..when i was benching 365 for a single I'd save my efforts and go from 225 straight to 315 then to 365. Wasn't that big of a jump.. triple 135 and 225 then single 315. Shouldn't be a problem for magoo or anyone else for that matter. If he did 315,340, then 365 that could be good too but there's no sense in going from 225 to 275 unless you're benching just a frog's hair over 300. 365 is getting up there. Attempts are everything when maxing guys you all know that. If it didn't work for him this last time.. then that's why we're all offering up suggestions.

i'm with goudy.

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« Reply #592 on: August 13, 2008, 06:55:02 AM »
it's funny you say that.. 225 and 315 feel the same to me and MOVE the same during hte pressing.  365 actually feels better workign with than 315 does though i'm not sure why.
::) ok Ryan Kennelly.

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« Reply #593 on: August 13, 2008, 07:47:45 AM »
::) ok Ryan Kennelly.

he uses a shirt...


rob wilkerson.. get it right  ;D

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« Reply #594 on: August 13, 2008, 11:29:41 AM »
QO, i can definitely vouch for wicked. 225 doesn't feel much lighter than 275/295 during my warmup sets. sure when i'm doing a rep-out and sets of 10, it'll get easier, but that first three gets cake. hell even 315 feels effortless these days, that first rep goes faster than 275.

anyway, no more sets under 5 i don't think. CNS ain't primed for it, it's burning me out while in a caloric deficit.

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« Reply #595 on: August 13, 2008, 12:27:50 PM »
you guys crack me up, seriously. ;D

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« Reply #596 on: August 13, 2008, 12:35:29 PM »
QO, i can definitely vouch for wicked. 225 doesn't feel much lighter than 275/295 during my warmup sets.


I'll call bullshit...

wicked (with a 435-450 bench) saying they don't notice a difference  is one thing

magoo with a 345 bench saying he dos'nt notice the difference is a different thing all together

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« Reply #597 on: August 13, 2008, 12:43:09 PM »

I'll call bullshit...

wicked (with a 435-450 bench) saying they don't notice a difference  is one thing

magoo with a 345 bench saying he dos'nt notice the difference is a different thing all together
there was a Samoan dude at my old gym who routinely benched 5 plates a side for 5 reps with no wraps, belt, etc., nothing but a t shirt and EVEN HE struggled more with 315 than he did 225, for ANYONE to say there's no noticeable difference between 225 and 315 is laughable.

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« Reply #598 on: August 13, 2008, 01:18:42 PM »
It is noticeable if you are doing a rep out set. If you are warming up with 3 reps clearly there is a difference though it is IMO negligable.

If you have fast twitch muscle fibres and train for low reps there is little difference.

Just mny 2 cents try it if you dont believe me

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« Reply #599 on: August 13, 2008, 01:34:19 PM »
Hi Magoo!   :-*

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