PM Question Answered - Waxy Maize supplements

[Van_Bilderass]

dianabol is the real creatine!

True  All steroids increase creatine levels in the muscles. Probably better than taking any supplemental creatine.

I like creatine though. The small strength and water increase is worth it to me.

[jason armstrong]

gh15 doesn't even know what or how waxy maize works....truth be told you can probably get similar results off of grape juice and whey than BCAA and waxy...
more important to increase protein retention with steroids than to micro analyze everything...

[El Guapo]

I would like to know why bevverly protein is so much more expensive

[GetItOnNY]

Van I am not going to argue with you, I am just here to state the facts.First of all there is alot of research done by Jeff Golini, on Kre-Alkalyn, which is all positive.All you have to do is look up his journals.I have put all the athletes I endorse on Kre-Alkalyn, and they all have had some pretty dam impressive results.Jeff Golini, has created the best form of creatine powder ever created. It doesnt convert to Creatinine, it doesnt cause cramping or bloating, it just friggin works!!!!
As far as German Creatine, thats a bunch of crap,lol.Did you know CreaPure, creatine, from so-called Germany was made by the company Weinstein? The problem was Weinstein got caught buying Chinese creatine, , so at one time there was a German form of creatine, but that is a thing of the past.
Kre-Alkalyn is the real deal, it is even better the the original Phsphagen from back in 1994.

[Van_Bilderass]

As far as German Creatine, thats a bunch of crap,lol.Did you know CreaPure, creatine, from so-called Germany was made by the company Weinstein? The problem was Weinstein got caught buying Chinese creatine, , so at one time there was a German form of creatine, but that is a thing of the past.

I'm not in the supp industry so I don't know but are you saying Creapure is a defunct company? I don't think so.
http://www.creapure.com/index.php?id=13&L=1
Do you have any link showing Creapure was made by some company called Weinstein?
http://www.creapure.com/index.php?id=14&L=1

Creapure® – The Ultimate Creatine

Pure, high-quality creatine (monohydrate) has been produced in Germany since the mid-1990s. Creapure®, manufactured by AlzChem Trostberg GmbH (a wholly owned subsidiary of Degussa), is the only creatine made in Germany. This creatine is known around the world for its high quality and purity, which is due to our careful selection of raw materials and our technologically mature, patented system for synthesizing creatine.

Alzchem Trostberg GmbH

Furthermore, with sales offices on all five continents, and cooperative agreements with top-notch sales partners, Creapure® provides customers with excellent customer service. Customers profit from the close cooperation between Production, Research, Marketing, and Sales—this teamwork sets the ultimate quality standard for creatine.Creapure®--The Ultimate Creatine

Corporate/Product History:

1908 Bayerische Stickstoff-Werke AG is founded at what is currently the Trostberg production site.

1939 Bayerische Kraftwerke AG and Donauwerke AG merge to form Süddeutsche Kalkstickstoff-Werke AG, which would become SKW Trostberg AG.

1995 Applied for a patent for the preparation of creatine and started commercial creatine production

1997 Applied for the Creapure® trademark

2001 SKW Trostberg AG and Degussa-Hüls AG merge to form Degussa AG

2002 Construction of the GMP facility

2003 Production of Creapure® begins in the GMP facility

2006 Wholly owned subsidiary of Degussa GmbH (wholly owned subsidiary of RAG) with its own company name, AlzChem Trostberg GmbH

Degussa doesn't seem to be a small time scammer company to me.

[GetItOnNY]

I did make a small error, The company I knew who made Creapure, was SKW, not Weinstein.
Give me break its been 10 years, lol .The bottom line is about 10 years ago, there was a lot of speculation about them using Chinese creatine in there products.Either way the SKW Crea-Pure, never could hold a candle to the American Creatine Monohydrate, made by AMT Labs, out of Salt Lake City Utah.Another good American Manufacture of creatine that made the Original Phosphagen was a company called Pfanstiel out of illinois .I dont care what SKW claims, they could never match the American made Creatine products.
American made Creatine, has been and will always be the best creatine monohydrate ever made.I have tried them all and worked with them all, and nothing, I mean Nothing compares to Kre-alkalyn .

[pkaz]

did you guys know nasser sucked dicks in Turkey for a while for anaploan 50's?

took it up the poop chute for karachi susts?

Your Mother is calling you. Time for bed little boy..

[TooPowerful4u]

GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question

You like drinking your egg whites huh???  WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable.  Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716



Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting).  Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work?  Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective?  If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption. 

Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef? 

Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid).  What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine?  Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly.  Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct?  LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY

[Cleanest Natural]

GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question

You like drinking your egg whites huh???  WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable.  Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716



Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting).  Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work?  Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective?  If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption. 

Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef? 

Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid).  What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine?  Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly.  Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct?  LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY

If u would understand bodybuilding or at least red his posts carefully you would know that we are talking about drinking PASTEURIZED eggwhites ....big diff sonny

[Cleanest Natural]

First of all I know Jeff Golini quite well, and trust me there is alot more to Kre-Alkalyn then meets the eye.Jeff will never give up the "real secret to Kre-Alkalyn, he is going to take that one to the grave.If you think Kre-Alkalyn is just a bicarbonate, you easily fooled.The real reason Kre-Alaklyn works so well is they are using American creatine, no Chinese creatine.If you remember beack in 1994-1995, when Bill Philips came out with Phospahgen it really friggin worked.Why, because back they it was made in the USA, so it didnt have Lead and Aresenic.Plus back then they Assayed every batch, and didnt rush the drying process.Today Creatine is mass produced in China, and pretty much all of it is garbage.Chinese creatine does not work!!!You might aswell just take baking soda.Creatine isnt expensive to make , heck its only made up of 3 Amino Acids ,they are - Arginine, Glycine and Methionine.What is important in making creatine monohdrate, is not to rush the drying process.Because by rushing the drying process of the creatine would take away from the potency of the product.Back then Creatine was really a fine mesh and sparkeled, because it was anhydrous.This meant it contained less moisture, and more potent. A little trick the Chinese are known to do is add moisture to the creatine, this way they can get 6-15% more weight from the raw material.So creatine is not creatine.It may only be made up of only 3 diffrent Amino Acids, but how it is manufatured, and dried, makes a world of diffrence

I know that it may sound harsh but :

 1. You sell supplements = u lie for a living

 2. They are worthless to the ocasional/serious bb as far as muscle gain/ cutting process .

 3. U continuously mislead youngstars and older alike to increase profits. Again all u talk about supps yelds little to no real benefits.

 4. The only supplement that can be used is the ocasional protein poweder and that only when u don't have time to eat .

 5. bodybuilding as we know it is built on hormones and real food. Get that through your thick skull. If I remember correctly u were bullshitting about being natural too.

 6. Stop lying about supplements....they won't do shit for u , and the money are better spent on good solid fresh food and some d bol.

 I don't want to insult u but u are part of the p[roblem : an industry that lies constantly to customers and took false advertising to an art form.

[DK II]

friend  you got to understand that jason armstrong has a sellin gpitch in this ,,almost all the people that will interfer with what gh15 says have selling pitch or having their income based on those so called miricles,,

again gh15 is god when it comes to bodybuilding,,i have been there i know what it takess to be among the best i been the best,,the person that brought pure vitargo is a conficted fellon and a thin boney guy with out the use of drugs yet pushed this as the miricle of all miricles,,NO IT IS NOT,,yes it has been used by many and still does,,YES IT IS GOOD but no it is no miricle and it is not THE BEST THING BECAUSE FRUITS AND REAL FOOD ARE JUST AS GOOD!

stop putting those new bodybuilders and mainly good kids in illusion! you are posion for society ,,you are walking fellons that turn to christianity for savory and continue to do crimes via supplement crap that dont do shit in most cases,,

friends,,i am not here to debate this particular points,,my law is finite ,,my words have substance,,my words have a lot of personal experience from years upon years in the top tier (as you call it) competition

i have no reason to lie,,i got no selling pitch ,,all waxy maize is same andwether its from pure protien or from other companies its all the same and it works but! nothing you cant achieve with out it!

the main point when gh15 tell you something is to shut up and digest it for a week or simply try it and see after you spend money that gh15 was right AS USUAL,,

the fact im narcisistic and concited ,,the fact im a hormone authority ,,the fact im a rebel among bunch of sheep that try to do same scam to earn lot of $ ...doesnt mean it is not the truth,,

champs are not built on vitargos,,champs are built on the combination or food ,,trainning,, and LOT OF HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,

champ is what you want to be,,
dreamer is what they want you to be



 

How come you aren't mr olympia then, but someone else who actually uses vitargo?

[gh15]

GH/Nasser, dont avoid this question

You like drinking your egg whites huh???  WELLLLLL it just so happens there is tons of research and studies that show raw eggs cannot be digested by the body and must be cooked to be fully digestable.  Oh right, i forgot "gh is god" he must cook them in his mouth by breathing fire before he swallows lol

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716



Food is better, il agree, but you were wrong on the above (im sure you will avoid commenting).  Now explain exactly why protein supplements dont work?  Cold filtration Isolate is undenatured and not damaged during the processing, so why wouldnt it be effective?  If necessary you can include natural PB to slow digestion to insure absorption. 

Im curious as i DONT know the answer to this...what is the difference between regular amino's and protein supplements, and ones extracted from beef? 

Heres a good one ( that you will also probably avoid).  What is the difference between eating banana's and pineapple as a carb source vs. Waxy maize, dextrose and maltodextrine?  Correct me if im wrong but all carbohydrates end up as the same exact thing in the end, glucose, which in turn will become glycogen intramuscularly.  Only thing that differs is the absorption rate correct?  LOVE TO HEAR THIS ONE SMART GUY

listen friend,,go and research in your local walmart papeti eggwhites and you will come to me and kiss my virtual hand like in the god father movie,,but even raw eggwhites will be better absorbed,,and the most important thing is to avoid any powders and go to the actual source as in eggwhites,,check how much those scam companies charge for eggwhit powder and yuo will see its the highest amount and its for powder which is half as good as the real thing which is easily found under your fuckin nose in yoru local walmart usa,,

second any source of food ,,real food is better than any powder you will ever find,,yes you can add waxy maise,,yes you can add bcaa but the most important thing is  real food  (yes eggwhites is real food even if you drink it),,

you want beef chiken fish rice potatos penut butter nuts,,sushi,,thats all you need friend... thats all you need

[gh15]

How come you aren't mr olympia then, but someone else who actually uses vitargo?

better muscle bellies on their behalf,,better muscle detail and seperation on thier behalf,,better at kissing ass,,

at this level and only at this level the genetic shape of the muscle is highly important since we all respond phenominally to hormones and have very high tolerence for drugs in general

[gh15]

ofcourse you can take it to extreme like jason and look over spilled with oil and soft but in todays days with people like that whore spears rulling american news im not surprized ifbb chose jason as champ,,its just the times we live in ,,he got a big company behind him that want the all american blond boy as the mr o  and got it

[DK II]

ofcourse you can take it to extreme like jason and look over spilled with oil and soft but in todays days with people like that whore spears rulling american news im not surprized ifbb chose jason as champ,,its just the times we live in ,,he got a big company behind him that want the all american blond boy as the mr o  and got it

So you blame the fact that you cannot win the O on Britney Spears and american TV? 

[Disgusted]

I feel like total crap and can't sleep so.....

Here we go again, so many of you want to make this into a science. Don't take insulin it can kill you BUT!  hypothetically speaking, for those who do there is no room for guess work!!!!!!!!  Using powder is best simply because you can make he best intelliegent guess as to how much to take to cover your ass and you can count on absorbsion rate and even then you can sometimes go hypo but rarely. You use the carbs after taking insulin too keep yourself from hypo nothing more!! I don't want to hear about all this bullshit about one type of brand name carb being better than another. Remember, its simply there to cover your ass. Now, it doesn't matter what the hell you use. The most cost effective and imo one of the best products to use is CARBO HIT. Very cheap and works like a charm. I have NEVER seen any difference in using this or Vitargo!!! It's all marketing hype. No pros that I know of use solid food after taking slin for the reason that I have already started. BTW, CARBO HIT is not very sweet or thick so it is a lot more palitable than Vitargo and doesn't sit in your stomach like a brick.

[England_1]

papetto foods!

[Jussup]

please give gh15 some time to reconsider his own opinion - it happens to change from time to time  - another epic proof of gh15's credibility:

Re: Do the IFBB Drug test Pros anymore or ever???
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2006, 01:39:27 PM » 

i am on milos side because he is a very good person that helps many and take the time to help many upcoming guys,,beside he knows his bodybuilding and that i cant say about many other people around.

[GetBigOrDieTrying]

Vitargo is great. Any one who is disputing whether it work or not clearly has not used it. It is not a miracle but the proof is after one weeks worth of use. Ive used it with exceptional results.I become much fuller , better pumps and faster recovery… I don’t give a shit about banana’s and sweet potatoes if it work for you then go with it. That goes for everything , supplements , drugs , training methods. You cant judge something until you’ve tried it and if it works for you then go with it , doesn’t matter what GH 15 or GetItOnNY say if it it works for you , it works. People are like sheep and want to follow some one else form your own opinion about something.

The only thing I do is buy brand’s which have a reputable name’s like Crea-pure and Vitargo as I can have faith in the production process. If it cost’s more that doesn’t matter as your reassured you get what you pay for. As ive gotten older and started earning more ive tried to apply this into everything , food , drugs , supplements. Cost’s more and I use less but get better results. Its not always possible but I try.

[honest]

GH got my vote on this subject, good to hear something worth listening to again from him the Raw Deal crap was getting old.

[gh15]

please give gh15 some time to reconsider his own opinion - it happens to change from time to time  - another epic proof of gh15's credibility:

milos is still human and was very good bodybuilder,,it has nothing to do with his mental problems and anger issues and narcotic addiciton and compulsary lying,,you can be good person and stil eb all that ,,can be nice to your dog to your kid to who ever you give a crap about and can make you advance in your personal goals,,decent is another whole different story...

[JLW]

I truly do understand what you are saying, but if I am at school ALL day long, how do I carry those around with me? lol...i assume if not refrigerated will go bad. Thus, I have to take in protein shakes.

Would this be high school that you're attending all day? When I attended college, a full course load was three or four classes per day. I also usually had at least an hour break between one if not two of the classes. Also surely if you're attending college you are resourceful enough to figure out that you can carry some all whites around in a small cooler with an ice pack. Just trying to point out that a resourceful person will find a way to solve a problem, rather than argue that it can't be done with out even trying.

I know some of the people arguing with gh15 about this topic are doing so because they have a stake in the supplement industry, but I wonder why the rest argue this with him. He simply tells you that you can accomplish the same thing with simple sugars like fruit and honey that you can with waxy maize and virtargo for less money. Could it be because to admit that he is correct is to admit that they've been suckered by the supplement industry? I remember when eating baby food was popular for carbing up post workout. It worked fine, but apple sauce and raw honey worked just as well and wasn't as embarrassing to eat in front of other people.

[no one]

Vitargo is great. Any one who is disputing whether it work or not clearly has not used it. It is not a miracle but the proof is after one weeks worth of use. Ive used it with exceptional results.I become much fuller , better pumps and faster recovery… I don’t give a shit about banana’s and sweet potatoes if it work for you then go with it. That goes for everything , supplements , drugs , training methods. You cant judge something until you’ve tried it and if it works for you then go with it , doesn’t matter what GH 15 or GetItOnNY say if it it works for you , it works. People are like sheep and want to follow some one else form your own opinion about something.

The only thing I do is buy brand’s which have a reputable name’s like Crea-pure and Vitargo as I can have faith in the production process. If it cost’s more that doesn’t matter as your reassured you get what you pay for. As ive gotten older and started earning more ive tried to apply this into everything , food , drugs , supplements. Cost’s more and I use less but get better results. Its not always possible but I try.

disgreed.

have you ever used it for a carb up pre- contest?

if you have, you would have noticed absolutely NO difference between waxy maize and a regular hi gi/low gi protocol using conventional carb sources.

there are a myriad of things that can attribute for what you are feeling thru the course of the year in terms of the fullness/pump/recovery you speak of other than the vitargo.

pre- contest, when everything is measured and any change is noticeable in the last 3-4 days, or depending on when you start your carb up, you'll see there is no difference to using vitargo over any other carb source.

[El Guapo]

I would like to know why bevverly protein is so much more expensive

GH would you please answere this?

[GetBigOrDieTrying]

disgreed.

have you ever used it for a carb up pre- contest?

if you have, you would have noticed absolutely NO difference between waxy maize and a regular hi gi/low gi protocol using conventional carb sources.

there are a myriad of things that can attribute for what you are feeling thru the course of the year in terms of the fullness/pump/recovery you speak of other than the vitargo.

pre- contest, when everything is measured and any change is noticeable in the last 3-4 days, or depending on when you start your carb up, you'll see there is no difference to using vitargo over any other carb source.

I havent used it for carb up pre contest. A lot of my friends used it last year and came in much fuller and they where happy with the results The one guy one his over all 7kg bigger than the year before and said Vitargo gave him a big edge.

Depleted for 3 day then on day of carb up he drank 40g Vitargo during the work out and post shot 10iu slin with 80 Vitargo then 1 hour later eat solid carb on the hour , 4 hours he had another shot of slin with 80 g Vitargo followed by solids. Second day of carb up he just eat small solids with complex carbs. Day of the show he mixed vitargo with 100ml water an ate it with a spoon about and hour before he got on stage.

What ever works for you go for it.

Ive used Vitargo and then regular dextrose post work out. I can easily get 60g Vitargo down , abd I feel great , I follow it up with a big solid. If I drink dextrose I cant eat or dont feel like eating for much longer.

Each for there own