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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2008, 01:36:52 PM »
No one can hold contest conditioning after a show for a relatively long period of time. If someone goes from lets say 4% BF and has about 6 months till their next show or even a year, you are naturally going to have a rise in BF. The key is to stay around 10-12% all year if your goal is to compete. A person can put on as much, if not more muscle at a lower BF than at a higher BF.

I see what you are saying about training heavier, but this is BBing not powerlifting, I personally don't fall into the category that heavier is best as opposed to greater volume. Heavy usually means more susceptibility to injury, all you need to do is take a look at all the injuries most have suffered due to poor mechanics and heavy loads. If you tear a muscle your out till you heal but smart training = longevity and greater gains.

Not true, there's a guy in my gym who has got to be like 50 years old and he stays at literally contest shape year round and looks well over 200 lbs in that condition.  At any time of the year he is more ripped and vascular than most people are on contest day - his vascularity year-round is basically identical to that Alex (I think his name was?) NPC nationals competitor who posted his vascular pics a few weeks before the US nationals.  I can't see him dieting at all for a show.  I think he does the Master's at the Canadian Nationals - can find out his name and maybe some pics.  What you're saying is probably generally correct, but there are some genetic exceptions to that.

If someone from Edmonton is here you probably know who I'm talking about.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2008, 01:41:30 PM »
Fuck...he needs to get a training bra ASAP.


Can you believe this guy claimed to weigh 360 lbs and be at 15% bodyfat? :-\  His "pecs" alone are 75% fat ;D

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« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2008, 01:42:58 PM »
Can you believe this guy claimed to weigh 360 lbs and be at 15% bodyfat? :-\  His "pecs" alone are 75% fat ;D

Are you sure it wasn't 15 lbs at 360% bodyfat?

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2008, 01:46:47 PM »
Are you sure it wasn't 15 lbs at 360% bodyfat?

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2008, 01:52:22 PM »
I was stronger when I was heavier.. I put on the most mass when I was eating around 3,500-4,000 calories a day. It's just much easier to lift weights while eating a lot and being fatter. For me, it's much harder to lift while on maintainence calories or cutting down. That's just my experience.

I don't agree with perma bulking because that way you'll never learn how to cut down. Cutting down is pretty hard to do for any natural person even with the use of stimulants.

The thing about bulking up all the time is that it's just not what it's cut out to be.. Not worth putting on 20 pounds of fat to improve your legs or your chest.. I'd rather eat a maintainence amount and do it the harder way.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2008, 02:02:52 PM »
I was stronger when I was heavier.. I put on the most mass when I was eating around 3,500-4,000 calories a day. It's just much easier to lift weights while eating a lot and being fatter. For me, it's much harder to lift while on maintainence calories or cutting down. That's just my experience.

I don't agree with perma bulking because that way you'll never learn how to cut down. Cutting down is pretty hard to do for any natural person even with the use of stimulants.

The thing about bulking up all the time is that it's just not what it's cut out to be.. Not worth putting on 20 pounds of fat to improve your legs or your chest.. I'd rather eat a maintainence amount and do it the harder way.
LOL. dieting is not hard bro.. eat protein and veggies every 2 and a half hours and take your fishoil...simple carbs post workout....spike carbs every few days....its simple as hell.     if it slows down,morning cardio done with 10 grams whey isolate and eca, and once that slows down throw in another session post workout ...     its all about tricking your body into using bodyfat as energy...  its simple to do.. 

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2008, 02:05:56 PM »
     if it slows down,morning cardio done with 10 grams whey isolate and eca, and once that slows down throw in another session post workout ...

A great way to train your body to use protein (ie muscle) as fuel. This is how to lose bodyweight - your muscle- not bodyfat. Bad advice.

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« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2008, 02:08:55 PM »
LOL. dieting is not hard bro.. eat protein and veggies every 2 and a half hours and take your fishoil...simple carbs post workout....spike carbs every few days....its simple as hell.     if it slows down,morning cardio done with 10 grams whey isolate and eca, and once that slows down throw in another session post workout ...     its all about tricking your body into using bodyfat as energy...  its simple to do.. 

Are you 6% bf?  ::) Let's you see ripped completely.

I'd rather not be bothered with looking different year to year, as would most people. I did go up to 215 and I was strong as bull, but I am actually happier these days at 190lbs.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2008, 02:12:07 PM »
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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2008, 02:13:12 PM »
A great way to train your body to use protein (ie muscle) as fuel. This is how to lose bodyweight - your muscle- not bodyfat. Bad advice.
your fucking stupid. go ahead and do your morning cardio on a completely empty stomach9without the whey isolate or any bcaa's)...if your glycogen is anywhere near depleted your going to be burning up a shit load of muscle.   

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2008, 02:16:34 PM »
your fucking stupid. go ahead and do your morning cardio on a completely empty stomach9without the whey isolate or any bcaa's)...if your glycogen is anywhere near depleted your going to be burning up a shit load of muscle.   

lol internet guru strikes again.  ;D

Props to losing all that weight, but that's not what I was even taking about. I was taking about going from very heavy and high bf to near contest shape at 5-7% bf. You haven't reached that level, yet give out all this advice which you got from articles on bodybuilding.com. We know this shit already.  ::)

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2008, 02:18:59 PM »
your fucking stupid. go ahead and do your morning cardio on a completely empty stomach9without the whey isolate or any bcaa's)...if your glycogen is anywhere near depleted your going to be burning up a shit load of muscle.   

No you are fucking stupid. Morning cardio is a great way to burn muscle fullstop. However having only protein simply makes the body more enclined to use your protein stores for energy.

 You need to fucking think about things kid.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2008, 02:28:57 PM »
Here's the reality, the "fat guys" don't care what the "skinny guys" are doin, but the "skinny guys" always care what the "fat guys" are doin.

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« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2008, 02:32:24 PM »
No one can hold contest conditioning after a show for a relatively long period of time. If someone goes from lets say 4% BF and has about 6 months till their next show or even a year, you are naturally going to have a rise in BF. The key is to stay around 10-12% all year if your goal is to compete. A person can put on as much, if not more muscle at a lower BF than at a higher BF.

I see what you are saying about training heavier, but this is BBing not powerlifting, I personally don't fall into the category that heavier is best as opposed to greater volume. Heavy usually means more susceptibility to injury, all you need to do is take a look at all the injuries most have suffered due to poor mechanics and heavy loads. If you tear a muscle your out till you heal but smart training = longevity and greater gains.

When I say heavier, I don't mean singles or doubles or triples, although you can do them if you want. The risk of getting injured is the same as when you are training lighter - you just need to make sure you use proper form, ROM and all that.

I train basic, free-weight compound movements all the time and I do triple drops on nearly all of them, except for the deadlift. I do about 4 - 6 reps on the first set (to failure), drop it down and blast out another 6 - 8 (to failure again) and drop it down one last time to do about 10 - 15 reps. I've been doing this for nearly 12 years now (on and off).

Injuries are common to everyone who lift weights - I'm talking lifting as in putting in a decent amount of effort and not just doing 12 reps with a light weight before setting it down and moving on to the next machine. I see all the guys who keep saying I shouldn't go heavy and guess what? They are all skinny, with no mass or density. When you train heavy, it shows in the way your body looks - thick and dense, as opposed to looking like a swimmer.

Not saying everyone HAS to train like that, but if you are natural, there is no way in Hell you are going to increase your size and muscularity without trying to constantly increase the amount of weight you do - in other words, progressive overload / resistance. Volume is more of an ancillary variable, since you can do high volume with light weights and unless you are juicing, that technique isn't going to get you any size.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2008, 02:34:34 PM »
your fucking stupid. go ahead and do your morning cardio on a completely empty stomach9without the whey isolate or any bcaa's)...if your glycogen is anywhere near depleted your going to be burning up a shit load of muscle.   

many do cardio on empty stomach and after done, a protein shake. Can you tell us where did you study advanced nutrition ? Mr "GNU"
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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2008, 02:36:14 PM »
Nothing is absolute, except vodka, your body will burn fat and muscle during caloric defecit and during exercise

but there are ways to mitigate the muscle lose, some of it is highly debatable (BCAA, Glutamine, EAA)

even the method of cardio highly is detable (45min target heart rate vs stop and go sprinting)

the key is to find out what works best for your body

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2008, 02:37:03 PM »
When I say heavier, I don't mean singles or doubles or triples, although you can do them if you want. The risk of getting injured is the same as when you are training lighter - you just need to make sure you use proper form, ROM and all that.

I train basic, free-weight compound movements all the time and I do triple drops on nearly all of them, except for the deadlift. I do about 4 - 6 reps on the first set (to failure), drop it down and blast out another 6 - 8 (to failure again) and drop it down one last time to do about 10 - 15 reps. I've been doing this for nearly 12 years now (on and off).

Injuries are common to everyone who lift weights - I'm talking lifting as in putting in a decent amount of effort and not just doing 12 reps with a light weight before setting it down and moving on to the next machine. I see all the guys who keep saying I shouldn't go heavy and guess what? They are all skinny, with no mass or density. When you train heavy, it shows in the way your body looks - thick and dense, as opposed to looking like a swimmer.

Not saying everyone HAS to train like that, but if you are natural, there is no way in Hell you are going to increase your size and muscularity without trying to constantly increase the amount of weight you do - in other words, progressive overload / resistance. Volume is more of an ancillary variable, since you can do high volume with light weights and unless you are juicing, that technique isn't going to get you any size.
Perfect advise. 8)

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2008, 02:37:59 PM »
Nothing is absolute, except vodka, your body will burn fat and muscle during caloric defecit and during exercise

but there are ways to mitigate the muscle lose, some of it is highly debatable (BCAA, Glutamine, EAA)

even the method of cardio highly is detable (45min target heart rate vs stop and go sprinting)

the key is to find out what works best for your body



candizzle disagrees.. He says brocollii and chicken = the key to cutting down for everyone.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2008, 02:38:07 PM »
I even read some study ( think it was MD mag) where the results stated that carbs + whey + EAA didn't show any appreciable difference over whey + EAA in regards to PWO shakes
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« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2008, 02:38:41 PM »
Perfect advise. 8)

You going to come up to Akl for the NZ grand prix DVS? NZMM is coming up. I hope to Hell I won't have to be away around that time - I'd love to go see that show.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2008, 02:43:50 PM »
your fucking stupid. go ahead and do your morning cardio on a completely empty stomach9without the whey isolate or any bcaa's)...if your glycogen is anywhere near depleted your going to be burning up a shit load of muscle.   
YOU NEED TO LISTEN MORE INSTEAD OF GIVING ADVISE, I have done 8 shows and always have done morning cardio on a emty stomach, I didnt burn a shit load of muscle like you say, I did burn alot of fat .

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« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2008, 02:47:24 PM »
YOU NEED TO LISTEN MORE INSTEAD OF GIVING ADVISE, I have done 8 shows and always have done morning cardio on a emty stomach, I didnt burn a shit load of muscle like you say, I did burn alot of fat .

I think that rules are different for nattys and "non nattys"

everything is debatable..nothing is absolute
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« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2008, 03:04:45 PM »
I think that rules are different for nattys and "non nattys"

everything is debatable..nothing is absolute

Your first statement is right, but not the second. There are heaps of absolutes in bodybuilding like there are in every thing else - the fact that you need to lift weights or do some kind of resistance training to induce growth in a muscle is an absolute, just like the fact that you need to consume adequate nutrients to heal and grow, and so on and so on. Of course, the practical aspect of each of that is context dependent.

Without absolutes, the Universe wouldn't exist my friend.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2008, 03:05:24 PM »
I think that rules are different for nattys and "non nattys"

everything is debatable..nothing is absolute
True, I have done cardio on a empty stomach pre contest, natural and other wise, never really seamed to be a problem with burning  muscle though.

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Re: Perma Bulkers
« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2008, 03:14:33 PM »
Perfect advise. 8)

Wholeheartedly agreed  8)
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