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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2008, 08:28:13 PM »
I hate the State.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2008, 10:32:08 PM »
Sadly. I think america is to greedy to change.  Its everyman for himself it seems...get the money and run.
 
We want our fast food in 10 seconds after we order.  We dont even want to use a remote to change the channel on tv...we would like it to be a voice prompt like our cell phones now....hope someone sees the big picture

Lets slow down and build a bridge instead of burning them all down.. :-\

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2008, 11:19:59 PM »
Im gonna make my fortune in the near future selling, "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul.", t-shirts.  :D

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 02:23:53 AM »
Im gonna make my fortune in the near future selling, "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul.", t-shirts.  :D

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 02:25:40 AM »
You weren't kidding. That was one long-ass read! {lol} ...but definitely well worth it!  

The graphics were pretty cool too.





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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 07:51:42 AM »
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 08:06:04 AM »
Yeah..they're all happy about it...its amazing. If ur happy please move to the EU or where ever...Its kinda funny. Everybody thouight this shit when Carter was president and guess what....we came roaring back. I'm sure during the economic boom of the late 90's u all loved this country. Pack ur shit and leave please..u don't deserve the freedom u have.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 08:14:49 AM »
Yeah..they're all happy about it...its amazing. If ur happy please move to the EU or where ever...Its kinda funny. Everybody thouight this shit when Carter was president and guess what....we came roaring back. I'm sure during the economic boom of the late 90's u all loved this country. Pack ur shit and leave please..u don't deserve the freedom u have.

HH, did you even read the article? Be honest.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 08:41:54 AM »
Yes dumbass I did..several times... ::) And I don't agree. The guy wish alot to happen..alot..based on things that may or may not happen. I'm sure u libs will dance with glee at the supposed dimise of the US. First off..China will not invade Taiwan..and if they do, there will be war. They don't want one nor need it. Considering that the article points out that Asians appear more comfortable with China..any invasion will not exactly make them feel really cozy with their red pals. Typical post-Americanism bullshit. The NYT and other media outlets have fed a steady diet of American decline and the assumption that somehow human nature had changed so that war was “obsolete.” This stupid mindset is dangerous.

What has Americans upset is the loss of sovereignty that Libs-Dems are pushing. Subsuming American interests to the UN, EU, NATO etc. No one gives a damn about how France or Spain or Italy feel about the US. Much less seething Muslims shouting for the beheading of a British teacher over a teddy bear named Mohammed. Yeah I read it and understood it. Please don't characterize me as a Neocon or nuckle dragger. I'm sure the typical response to this will be Bush is a criminal....yeah fuck America. Which I guess is why some feel we are in decline. We are a nation of sheep who can't see the threat to our country, understand what to do about it. We'd rather whine about Bush. Forget Bush, he's done. The world that exists now is not of his doing..they hated us before and they will hate us even with that idiot Obama in the Oval office. A combination of Ron Paul fiscal conservatism and McCain toughness would serve us well.

John McCain leads among War opponents. Suggesting that the desire for a WIN is powerful among his independent-Dem base.


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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 08:49:12 AM »
I also had to consider the source..i went his organizations website..seemed balanced so maybe this guy, highly educated, could have a valid and unbiased opinion..but wait there's more.

So, who is this Parag Khanna to whom the Times has given all this space? Well, he's a "senior research fellow in the American Strategy Program of the New America Foundation" and guess who this organization is linked with? You guessed it: George Soros. Jonathan Soros, son of George Soros is one of those listed on the "Leadership council." In fact, the larger portion of the Board members and other associates are journalists and left leaning activists. With a few token and so-called right leaning folks -- like Francis Fukuyama and Christine Todd Whitman, neither of whom are conservatives -- the Board of directors also sports such well-known names as the leftie Google king Eric Schmidt and Bernard L. Schwartz, the man responsible for transferring restricted technology to China during Clinton's lamentable years in office.

George Soros'..who has funded bullshit "studies" of Iraq death counts. Soros who has purchased media oulets all over Europe, which now pump out anti-American bullshit. Yep no agenda there.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 09:36:14 AM »
Yes dumbass I did..several times... ::) And I don't agree. The guy wish alot to happen..alot..based on things that may or may not happen. I'm sure u libs will dance with glee at the supposed dimise of the US. First off..China will not invade Taiwan..and if they do, there will be war. They don't want one nor need it. Considering that the article points out that Asians appear more comfortable with China..any invasion will not exactly make them feel really cozy with their red pals. Typical post-Americanism bullshit. The NYT and other media outlets have fed a steady diet of American decline and the assumption that somehow human nature had changed so that war was “obsolete.” This stupid mindset is dangerous.

What has Americans upset is the loss of sovereignty that Libs-Dems are pushing. Subsuming American interests to the UN, EU, NATO etc. No one gives a damn about how France or Spain or Italy feel about the US. Much less seething Muslims shouting for the beheading of a British teacher over a teddy bear named Mohammed. Yeah I read it and understood it. Please don't characterize me as a Neocon or nuckle dragger. I'm sure the typical response to this will be Bush is a criminal....yeah fuck America. Which I guess is why some feel we are in decline. We are a nation of sheep who can't see the threat to our country, understand what to do about it. We'd rather whine about Bush. Forget Bush, he's done. The world that exists now is not of his doing..they hated us before and they will hate us even with that idiot Obama in the Oval office. A combination of Ron Paul fiscal conservatism and McCain toughness would serve us well.

John McCain leads among War opponents. Suggesting that the desire for a WIN is powerful among his independent-Dem base.



The idea that the US can scrap international law, as embodied in the UN, shitcanning decades of work is not a good idea.  The UN is not perfect but it is the best organization we have for brokering international relations in the context of civility and peace.  Bush and Blair really fucked that one over.

The US cannot go it alone in international relations.  That approach ended 50 years ago.

I don't agree with the article but it is difficult to not see some of the decay/decline of the US.  Our system of voting is corrupted and a latenight talkshow punchline.  Our economy is in horrible condition.  Our GDP in 2006 was 13 trillion while the debt was about 9 trillion.  Poverty is on the rise. The Healthcare system is broken.  Our national infrastructure has graded out at a D level.  Workers wages have flatlined since 1973 and wealth inequality is exceeding levels found in the Gilded Age.  And our country is run by unqualified zealots.

America can be great again.  I don't think McCain is part of that equation though.  He's a regression to the failed Reagan/Bush policies of the 1980s.

We need another FDR...not another Reagan.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 10:58:26 AM »
I agree with everything u said until the Reagan part...I'm setting that aside since it will cloud our issue and debate. All those things need to be fixed. Many can be..but what I'm alarmed at is the glee which some people might take at an article such as this.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 11:49:45 AM »
I agree with everything u said until the Reagan part...I'm setting that aside since it will cloud our issue and debate. All those things need to be fixed. Many can be..but what I'm alarmed at is the glee which some people might take at an article such as this.



Dont mistake glee with coming to actual terms, of our current conditions.    No one want s their country to be a mess.   But to fix a problem you have to recognize you have one.....pointing it out is a step towards correcting it

For 8 yrs this country ha sgone down  hill in terms of debt, the economy, healthcare, world relations etc.   If you dont go in a new direction, itll get worse.

But yes there is some RELIEF that we are getting to see that people are agreeing again to change course...but its not glee for sure....

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 11:55:26 AM »
I don't think anyone who lives in the US actually wants to see or believe that our country is f'd up right now but we can't deny the fundamental economic reality of our situation.   

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 11:58:35 AM »
No..some people, Americans, take glee in this shit. The economy needs to be better...a final solution to health care needs to happen....Tort reform would help that.  We ned to stop giving hand-outs to everybody inside and outside the country. We need to build that fence and figure out if we're going to have guest workers or what the deal will be.  We have problems, but as with most things, we'll fix them.  I drank with several Canadian F-18 pilots last night..they're all career guys..17-18 years plus. They are all in the 55% tax bracket up there and pay through the nose. They allegedly get paid the same as me..until canda gets their hooks into them..its not fair.  Nobody painted the health care system as this great socialist utopia....many people take vacations to the states and then get surgery done here. As much as the far Left would like to marginalize the US, its not happening.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 11:59:08 AM »
I don't think anyone who lives in the US actually wants to see or believe that our country is f'd up right now but we can't deny the fundamental economic reality of our situation.   


Oh My GAWD.....look at that pattern.  If your pointing that out straw, then you must be Gleeful.... :o

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 12:01:42 PM »
And it needs to be fixed.....a draw down in Iraq..on our terms, will allow us to mend fences..perhaps solve the Israeli/Palestine question.....and then turn our attention to rebuilding our economy. I'ma security first guy..so thats where I'm coming from.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 12:02:47 PM »
Ur blind if u don't think the far Left wants us marginalized..i wasn't pointing fingers towards the board...but many of them aren't Americans anyway.
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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 12:03:32 PM »
No..some people, Americans, take glee in this shit. The economy needs to be better...a final solution to health care needs to happen....Tort reform would help that.  We ned to stop giving hand-outs to everybody inside and outside the country. We need to build that fence and figure out if we're going to have guest workers or what the deal will be.  We have problems, but as with most things, we'll fix them.  I drank with several Canadian F-18 pilots last night..they're all career guys..17-18 years plus. They are all in the 55% tax bracket up there and pay through the nose. They allegedly get paid the same as me..until canda gets their hooks into them..its not fair.  Nobody painted the health care system as this great socialist utopia....many people take vacations to the states and then get surgery done here. As much as the far Left would like to marginalize the US, its not happening.

HH - I don't know anyone, nor have I seen anyone, even on the far left take GLEE in our situation.   If anyone takes glee in our situation it's our enemies and even probably our so-called friends like the Saudi's who know they've got us over a barrell.

BTW - ask your pilot friends if they know anyone who has had to declare bankruptcy due to a health care issue.   I know many people who simly can't afford the $1500 a MONTH required for them to insure their family.  I also know people who pay through the nose for healthcare only to be declined by their providers for essential services.    I'm sure Canada has it's problems but it doesn't mean that we don't have our own even larger problems here.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 12:11:54 PM »
Ur blind if u don't think the far Left wants us marginalized..i wasn't pointing fingers towards the board...but many of them aren't Americans anyway.


You are right on our immigration.....but whats the advantage of the left, to have teir country marginalized??   Whats the motive to do that.   Surely they know if we become weak and passive we could be on the chopping block for takeover.

 Maybe they just want it CORRECTED....big difference.   You read to much into it.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 12:55:34 PM »


Dont mistake glee with coming to actual terms, of our current conditions.    No one want s their country to be a mess.   But to fix a problem you have to recognize you have one.....pointing it out is a step towards correcting it

For 8 yrs this country ha sgone down  hill in terms of debt, the economy, healthcare, world relations etc.   If you dont go in a new direction, itll get worse.
But yes there is some RELIEF that we are getting to see that people are agreeing again to change course...but its not glee for sure....

there is no satisfaction in america's regression, it's a reality. New countries are rising up.

War-Horse said it well so there is no sense in repeating it.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 01:11:45 PM »
Reasons why healthcare is so expensive is not solely to corporate greed.  Much of it is attributed to a bevy of regulations the State requires for a healthcare company to operate.  Simply put, it's like this:  Right now, you pay insurance for your vehicle.  If you own it, you can vary your type of coverage.  But, on a whole, you have one company and one policy insuring your car.  Now how complicated and expensive would it be that you had to have seperate policies, and even perhaps different companies or sub-groups, to individually insure various parts  of your car?  Like a policy for the alternator, the transmission, the braking system, the engine block, etc....?  That would be a nightmare to undertake, and that is what is happening to our health industry.

It's no big secret that our nation is in serious decline, and no secret as to the reasons why.  But why get angry at our politicians and their lobbyist and corporate supporters?  Blame yourself, blame the US citizen.  You and I let this happen.  The answers are not going to come out of Washington.  They're going to come from you as the individual.  Woe be onto those that wait for deliverence from D.C.  Don't hold your breath.

- Gutted industrial base.
- Mass Offshoring
- Free Trade
- Disintegration of the nuclear family
- Social handouts and subsidiaries(esp. those to do with Energy)
- Classism within the US military
- Transformation to a Service economy filled with Wage-slavers
- Rapid decline of Union power and memberships
- Mass deficits and trade imbalances
- Lack of economic protectionism and nationalism
- Unchecked legal and illegal immigration
- Increased and overpowering Minority rights
- Laughable US Education system
- Huge bureaucracies and out of control spending
- The Faux War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty
- Imperialistic expansionism
- Hyper-reliance on Oil
- Very liberal mindset of most traditional institutions
- Severe lack of anti-trust enactments
- Increased blending of private news media and government
- Rapid descent into an "anything goes" society
- Increased intolerance of Christianity, but increased tolerance of Islam
- Identity and lobby groups that have replaced the voice of the People
- Increased statism
- Group and identity politics(the black vote, the hispanic vote, etc...)
- Multiculturalism and diversity pervading every institution
- Criminalization of everything
- Human Warehousing (we call them prisons and jails) for profits
- Repeated violations of civil and human rights abuses perpetrated by the US government on its own people
- To be continued, lol

Did I leave anything out?

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 05:57:46 PM »
The above has true statements in it.  It is not with glee i admit this......but a tired..... heart.

Now that we know it needs fixed, what can we do?......elect someone with the same ideals of war-mongering?   The same Haliburton ties for profit?  The same ideas for free-market healthcare??

This is a failure, we cant afford the war we have, no other country wants to support us, another war would leave us vulnerable and tired.

We need someone with revolutionary ideas far from the norm to unite america.

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Re: Waving Goodbye to Hegemony - NY Times Magazine
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 06:34:31 PM »
I didn't let this happen...I've been in uniform since I was 17 defending this country....we have issues..we're not declining. To the rest...The Left..far left takes perverse pleasure in our demise....I'm not saying this based on the article but alot of other things I've read.  JB had a pretty good list..but to change that...well most of it would end up "offending" somebody. I don't agre with all of it.."classim in the Military" meaning what..other then that not bad. I don't agree about the Human Rights abuses unless u mean in total since 1992 or so. If ur pissed at Bush u have to be pissed in how out of control janet Reno was.
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