Do the Pros take 7-10 days to dehydrate before a show !!!

[SteelePegasus]

it depends stavios....on the pro's dedication, on his willingnes to risk his health, and on whether or not his personal genetics dictate that he go to such extreme measure to get dry(why dhydrate if you have kickass genetics and dont need to?).    i know for a fact that at least one ifbb pro doesnt deplete at all...just starting at the beginning of the carb up.      but i also know for a fact that a really popular european pro back in the 90's went for weeks on end depleting himself...his only source of water was blended apples!!!! crazy mother fucker was dry and striated as hell though.

dizzle the resident 17y/o shredded beast has spoken 

[hazbin]

he mite have had 4lbs of water to lose while you had 20

cant exstract water thats not there!

so you're saying that his body only contained 4 lbs of water total??  my problem is that it hits all my water, including intramuscular; which is water you want and need. an 8 lb. newborn has more than 4 lb. of water in its body.

[busyB]

Definitely worth a plastic trophy though. I'm sure he would do it all over again given the chance!

LOL! Of course he would. They make the tropheys out of wood now, engraved like a bodybuilder. Much more valuable now 

[YoungBlood]

They make the tropheys out of wood now, engraved like a bodybuilder. Much more valuable now 

How can that be? Any person can walk through a forest, pick a tree, cut it down and make his own trophy.

How many you see building Coke factories, molding the plastics bottles from products of science and chemistry, filling them with Coke, drinking them, and then melting them down into hunks of plastics, only to rebuild them and etch them into a bodybuilder for one to win?

[no one]

Disguested... A question...

IYHO... do you feel dierutics are essintial for drying someone out in todays competitive enviroment... or can someone who is meticiulous enough with his/her prep do it without them? I found it interesting that both Rich Gaspari and Dorian Yates stated throught their competitive carreers that they never had to use them...as they were always ready two weeks before their shows...

M!

if you are lean enough, you wont need a diuretic for water loss. other things, but not to aid in your dropping water.

[bigmikecox]

MoMo did extreme shit too.  The difference between 1st and 5th is how dry you get. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Disguested... A question...

IYHO... do you feel dierutics are essintial for drying someone out in todays competitive enviroment... or can someone who is meticiulous enough with his/her prep do it without them? I found it interesting that both Rich Gaspari and Dorian Yates stated throught their competitive carreers that they never had to use them...as they were always ready two weeks before their shows...

M!

I don't believe for a second Gaspari and Yates never used them. When Yates won his first O in Helsinki the story was that he was in trouble on contest day. He was cramping up and someone had to rush back to the hotel to get some anti cramping pills he forgot there. And Gaspari... dude was in print saying he was ready to die for the O title.

[YoungBlood]

And Gaspari... dude was in print saying he was ready to die for the O title.

Weren't there rumors of him also having three heart attacks while competing in his time? Not competing as in on stage....

[Disgusted]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are lean enough you DO NOT NEED DIURETICS! No one one the planet will look shredded no matter how much water they lose if they have fat on their body. If anyone who took diuretics looks shredded on stage then they would have looked better without them.

Cutting sodium is a VERY STUPID thing to do!!!!!!!! Get it thru your heads guys. When you cut sodium from your diet all you do is piss out less sodium. Your body knows what you are doing and will kick in Aldosterone which in turn causes reabsorbtion of sodium. Soooooo, while you may be taking in less sodium your serum sodium levels will remain normal!!!!! What does all this mean in the end? You have just screwed up your bodies very delicated balance of where your water normally stays. This will take many days to correct.

[YoungBlood]

Cutting sodium is a VERY STUPID thing to do!!!!!!!! Get it thru your heads guys. When you cut sodium from your diet all you do is piss out less sodium. Your body knows what you are doing and will kick in Aldosterone which in turn causes reabsorbtion of sodium. Soooooo, while you may be taking in less sodium your serum sodium levels will remain normal!!!!!

But that's not what Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout said, and it was printed in FLEX magazine....it HAS to be correct!!!!  

[Van_Bilderass]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are lean enough you DO NOT NEED DIURETICS! No one one the planet will look shredded no matter how much water they lose if they have fat on their body. If anyone who took diuretics looks shredded on stage then they would have looked better without them.

Why do 'all' the pros still use them then? Aren't any of them lean enough?

[Disgusted]

Why do 'all' the pros still use them then? Aren't any of them lean enough?

I KNEW that someone would ask this I just never thought it would be you.  Here's your answer though. 

[Disgusted]

But that's not what Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout said, and it was printed in FLEX magazine....it HAS to be correct!!!!  

  Actually he blamed stress for causing his water retention if I remember correctly. His Aldosterone levels increased due to stress.

[Stavios]

so you're saying that his body only contained 4 lbs of water total??  my problem is that it hits all my water, including intramuscular; which is water you want and need. an 8 lb. newborn has more than 4 lb. of water in its body.

No offense Hazbin but I really don't think you had 20 lbs of subcutanous(sp?) water to lose !!!

you may have lost a SHITLOAD of water that was in your muscle, making you lose a lot of fullness

just my opinion 

[Stavios]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are lean enough you DO NOT NEED DIURETICS! No one one the planet will look shredded no matter how much water they lose if they have fat on their body. If anyone who took diuretics looks shredded on stage then they would have looked better without them.

Cutting sodium is a VERY STUPID thing to do!!!!!!!! Get it thru your heads guys. When you cut sodium from your diet all you do is piss out less sodium. Your body knows what you are doing and will kick in Aldosterone which in turn causes reabsorbtion of sodium. Soooooo, while you may be taking in less sodium your serum sodium levels will remain normal!!!!! What does all this mean in the end? You have just screwed up your bodies very delicated balance of where your water normally stays. This will take many days to correct.

greatest post ever

every competitors should read that carefully

[Van_Bilderass]

I KNEW that someone would ask this I just never thought it would be you.  Here's your answer though. 

Yes they are all stupid  I guess most of the gurus are too? 

Seriously though, you don't think diuretics ever help someone who is very lean? I remember Duchaine talking about meat, how it looks when dried - grainy. He thought losing intramuscular water, which most don't want to do, can make you look freakier. Some competitors, like Dillet when he collapsed, with no veins due to dehydration, looked freaky hard when near death. 

Flex arguably looked his best in 93. Was it due to the diuretic schedule Jeff talked about, or was he just leaner then? Matarazzo almost killed himself with diuretics in the same show. Probably never looked quite like that at any other show.

[Disgusted]

Yes they are all stupid  I guess most of the gurus are too? 

Seriously though, you don't think diuretics ever help someone who is very lean? I remember Duchaine talking about meat, how it looks when dried - grainy. He thought losing intramuscular water, which most don't want to do, can make you look freakier. Some competitors, like Dillet when he collapsed, with no veins due to dehydration, looked freaky hard when near death. 

Yes they can help especially when you are not lean enough. I know exactly what you are referring to with Dan. Ideally I think he would start the dry out process around 6pm the night before a show. Dan also had one take meds to keep the blood pressure up when needed. BP is an important part of the equation since having too low BP can push plasma out of the vascular system. He also admitted that what he did was flawed and dangous BUT was the only he knew at the time to get the right "look", a look which is long gone. He was into researching plasma expanders around the time he died.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes they can help especially when you are not lean enough. I know exactly what you are referring to with Dan. Ideally I think he would start the dry out process around 6pm the night before a show. Dan also had one take meds to keep the blood pressure up when needed. BP is an important part of the equation since having too low BP can push plasma out of the vascular system. He also admitted that what he did was flawed and dangous BUT was the only he knew at the time to get the right "look", a look which is long gone. He was into researching plasma expanders around the time he died.

I remember he said he would inject 10mg of Lasix at a time and check blood pressure, then continue if possible. "You can't compete if you can't stand up" is the comment I remember LOL

[hazbin]

No offense Hazbin but I really don't think you had 20 lbs of subcutanous(sp?) water to lose !!!

you may have lost a SHITLOAD of water that was in your muscle, making you lose a lot of fullness

just my opinion 

you are absolutey right. basically i deflated my muscle water, losing definition and fullness. i know you were at that show. i wish i looked like i did wed. before the show at 237lb.

rik

[Stavios]

I remember he said he would inject 10mg of Lasix at a time and check blood pressure, then continue if possible. "You can't compete if you can't stand up" is the comment I remember LOL

that dude seemed like one crazy guy  

[Stavios]

you are absolutey right. basically i deflated my muscle water, losing definition and fullness. i know you were at that show. i wish i looked like i did wed. before the show at 237lb.

rik

crazy physique man 

[hazbin]

crazy physique man 

thanx bro!!  just never on the day of the show.

[Stavios]

thanx bro!!  just never on the day of the show.

are you doing it this year ?

I'll be there since it is in montreal, maybe competing too 

[kyomu]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are lean enough you DO NOT NEED DIURETICS! No one one the planet will look shredded no matter how much water they lose if they have fat on their body. If anyone who took diuretics looks shredded on stage then they would have looked better without them.

Cutting sodium is a VERY STUPID thing to do!!!!!!!! Get it thru your heads guys. When you cut sodium from your diet all you do is piss out less sodium. Your body knows what you are doing and will kick in Aldosterone which in turn causes reabsorbtion of sodium. Soooooo, while you may be taking in less sodium your serum sodium levels will remain normal!!!!! What does all this mean in the end? You have just screwed up your bodies very delicated balance of where your water normally stays. This will take many days to correct.

Thanx for the excelent post. Fully agreed

[hazbin]

are you doing it this year ?

I'll be there since it is in montreal, maybe competing too 

i hope not!! i usually don't decide till 3 or 4 weeks out, but i think i'm getting a little too old. did my first Canadians in 1991.

good luck to you. are you growing good since your show last year??