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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #100 on: February 14, 2008, 05:53:45 PM »
   i agree that bodybuilders actually look their best at about 5 weeks out.. phil heath was example of that.. as for geasr use..i  have talked about this with disgusted a couple of times and can tell ya that the guys back then ABUSED the hell out of orals.. dbol by the handful ect ect.. they just did not know any better back then.. also, the one factor that most do not bring up is that he guys back then overtrained like crazy.. hitting bodyparts three times a week and 20 sets ect ect.. guys today have toned that down quite a bit and have became bigger for it.. ets was not used much in teh early 70's like disgusted has said.. was considered dirty because of bloating and possible gyno ect.. but, they did love tren, primo and deca.. deca / dbol cycles were the most commonly prescribed for the newbie ect.. one of the biggest men known in bodybuilding took eq and tren only.. that came straight from his mouth.. eq was constant thoughout cycle and tren was wroked in at 6 week intervals.. so the reliance on test came around because it is so damn cheap and easily available..

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #102 on: February 14, 2008, 07:03:04 PM »
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #103 on: February 14, 2008, 07:04:06 PM »

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2008, 07:40:26 PM »
I used to talk to Vic years ago and he was a big fan of high dose anabolics, var, eq ect He did not like test, but he has mentioned in print that he liked tren so guess no harm in mentioning. Also, I know of one other very famous retired bb who recently is making a comeback (sory no names on this one) who hated test. Loved winny though. He had the "ideal" physique to many.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2008, 07:59:00 PM »
I used to talk to Vic years ago and he was a big fan of high dose anabolics, var, eq ect He did not like test, but he has mentioned in print that he liked tren so guess no harm in mentioning. Also, I know of one other very famous retired bb who recently is making a comeback (sory no names on this one) who hated test. Loved winny though. He had the "ideal" physique to many.
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2008, 08:55:49 PM »
 WHATS IS UP DISGUSTED.. ?  ;) yeah, you and i talked about him if ya remember  ;D..  as for test and the like.. i can tell ya, just like disgusted did, that many guys do not touch it... so love it.. my bud dave roomed with a few very top teir guys in the 80's and early 90's.. one guy who is still known as "the best physique ever" that dave roomed with would do low dose test and packed on the eq and tren.. one has to remember thatthe drugs in question were made to give the "kick" of test with out the sides.. but, if ya see a guy (like disgusted said ) on high test they are usually a bloated mess.. the only way around it is to take arimidex or something similar .. that in turn kills your blood lipid profile and is just "robbing peter to pay paul" type game..    hey disgusted.. is your site still up?..

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2008, 08:57:27 PM »
So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs?  Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter.  ;D

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2008, 08:59:41 PM »
 gh15.. no one said they did not have test in the 70's but, there were many who prefered not to use it in favor of other anabolics..

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2008, 09:09:52 PM »
WHATS IS UP DISGUSTED.. ?  ;) yeah, you and i talked about him if ya remember  ;D..  as for test and the like.. i can tell ya, just like disgusted did, that many guys do not touch it... so love it.. my bud dave roomed with a few very top teir guys in the 80's and early 90's.. one guy who is still known as "the best physique ever" that dave roomed with would do low dose test and packed on the eq and tren.. one has to remember thatthe drugs in question were made to give the "kick" of test with out the sides.. but, if ya see a guy (like disgusted said ) on high test they are usually a bloated mess.. the only way around it is to take arimidex or something similar .. that in turn kills your blood lipid profile and is just "robbing peter to pay paul" type game..    hey disgusted.. is your site still up?..

Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #110 on: February 14, 2008, 09:17:11 PM »
Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.

So you dont see a problem with running 200mg of test per week and 600 mg of deca a week?

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2008, 09:21:41 PM »
So you dont see a problem with running 200mg of test per week and 600 mg of deca a week?

Of course not.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2008, 11:36:44 AM »
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2008, 12:06:44 PM »
whatever Arnold and franco took, millions of lifters took tons more and never looked good.

Arnold trained all out, 2hrs. twice a day. i doubt any of us on here could have kept up with him for a single week.

his drive was the key to his bodybuilding success, his movie success, his financial success and now his political success.

yeah and HOW  do you think he got able to do this without WORKING a normal job?   by sucking old men cocks to get his money.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2008, 12:55:24 PM »
Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.

exactly jim...and most of the guys i work with this is exactly how i do it pre contest...although i go little higher say 400-600 of prop but never more and the results have been far far better for them all. Plus they feel better.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2008, 01:26:01 PM »
im not quating now since i dont have time to find how to do multi quoate,,
to the fella that said test was used in 70s ,,yes you are right ,,they all used it ,,9 out of 10 competitors used testosterone,,,it is natural to the body and any imbacile would use natural hormone rather than a twist on that hormone,,,ofcourse a combo is best and thats when they started to lean it in the 70s!

so yes testosteone was used in the 70s by most competitors,,now to the friend who said 600mg of prop yada yada,,1000mg of test enan and 600mg of test prop in thebig ascheme of things will result in same  side effects to the physiqe,,the way to eliminate side effects is to eat less junk depending on your goal ,,at many times i recomend eating not clean but in prep try to keep majority of eating clean depending on the doses and number of products you use

in any case,,,1000mg of testosterone doesnt mean bloated cow,,what it means is more free testosterone if you know your bodybuilding ,,,ofcourse when you walk around with a whole 180llb of lean muscle mass 500mg testostrone will do,,but when you are walking around with 250lb of lean muscle mass you wont even start growing at 500mg testosterone,,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about legit hormones human grades or vet grade and no undeground bunks,,

always remember that what you take  should be in relashion to what you give out,,your lean muscle will consistute what you takei in ,,but to the people who say that testosteroen was never used in 70s ...they ar dreaming..vic richards used testostronein 80s ,,its culprit of the man muscle hormone,,,it is the man muscle hormone,,,nandrolone will bloat you more than testosterone,,,testosterone give you a lot more strength than nandrolone,,,testosterone is what give you the energy to train hard and 70s competitors trained very hard,,

im amazed and the little to no understand of bodybuilindg presented in this thread,,

wether its duretics,,or testosterone,,,nandrolone or primobolan,,,anti estrogen such as nolvadex and NARCOTICS WHICH WERE INTEGRAL PART OF CUTTING IN THE 70S!!! the understanding of professional competition here is close to zero,,

i dont care what this guru says or that guru says ,,,im tellin you how it goes ad how it used to go

saying testosterone was not used in bodybuilding in the 70s is like saying that larry scot was natural,,same ridicoulous claims that put bodybuilding again as A LIE,,

A BODYBUILDER WILL ALWAYS FROM THE BEGGINIGNG USE WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B ,,YES YOU CAN GET BY AND LOOK 188LB LIKE MATT C BY USING 250 500MG EQ OR DECA AND SOME DIANABOL PILLS,,,BUT IM TELLING YOU HERE THAT NO AMATUER NOR PROFESSIONAL WALK AROUND AT 200LB 210LB 220 LB 250 LB 260 LB WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT USE AND REPEATED USE OF HORMONES WITH THE BASIC OF THE BASIC BEING TESTOSTERONE WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY AND IS WHAT DISTINGUISH THE MALE FROM THE FEMALE ,,,TESTOSTERONE IS THE REASON FEMALES CAN EVEN START DOING BODYBUILDING SHOWS,,

I AM AMAZED AND THE IGNORACE AFTER GH15 BEING HERE OVER 2 YEARS
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2008, 01:29:09 PM »
GH breaking people's hearts with the brutal truth as usual, hey GH i've got a question, how much gains will a person keep after using test for 4 and a half years straight without much of a break and then going off completely?

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2008, 01:34:18 PM »
hard to say ,,usually testosterone will get you to your natural max ,,lets say you were 185lb naturally 10% and you ddint eat very well when you were teenager,,,testosterone and other hormones will get you to that 205lb you should have been naturally if ate well and did sports as a teenager,,,

you go off for 5 years ,,,everything will go back ,,,you will lose majority of gains but you will stop at that 205lb that ws suppopsesd to be yoru original size to begin with if you ate right as a teenager and maxed yoruself naturally,,

basically 15-20lb will always be on you from the starting weight,,bodyfat will depend on many factors including health but with mosthormonized lifters who go clean they usually gain bodyfat because they want to keep the size somehow so they sacrifice some bodyfat inorder to remain somewhat big in relashion to what they used to be
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2008, 01:35:22 PM »
im not quating now since i dont have time to find how to do multi quoate,,
to the fella that said test was used in 70s ,,yes you are right ,,they all used it ,,9 out of 10 competitors used testosterone,,,it is natural to the body and any imbacile would use natural hormone rather than a twist on that hormone,,,ofcourse a combo is best and thats when they started to lean it in the 70s!

so yes testosteone was used in the 70s by most competitors,,now to the friend who said 600mg of prop yada yada,,1000mg of test enan and 600mg of test prop in thebig ascheme of things will result in same  side effects to the physiqe,,the way to eliminate side effects is to eat less junk depending on your goal ,,at many times i recomend eating not clean but in prep try to keep majority of eating clean depending on the doses and number of products you use

in any case,,,1000mg of testosterone doesnt mean bloated cow,,what it means is more free testosterone if you know your bodybuilding ,,,ofcourse when you walk around with a whole 180llb of lean muscle mass 500mg testostrone will do,,but when you are walking around with 250lb of lean muscle mass you wont even start growing at 500mg testosterone,,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about legit hormones human grades or vet grade and no undeground bunks,,

always remember that what you take  should be in relashion to what you give out,,your lean muscle will consistute what you takei in ,,but to the people who say that testosteroen was never used in 70s ...they ar dreaming..vic richards used testostronein 80s ,,its culprit of the man muscle hormone,,,it is the man muscle hormone,,,nandrolone will bloat you more than testosterone,,,testosterone give you a lot more strength than nandrolone,,,testosterone is what give you the energy to train hard and 70s competitors trained very hard,,

im amazed and the little to no understand of bodybuilindg presented in this thread,,

wether its duretics,,or testosterone,,,nandrolone or primobolan,,,anti estrogen such as nolvadex and NARCOTICS WHICH WERE INTEGRAL PART OF CUTTING IN THE 70S!!! the understanding of professional competition here is close to zero,,

i dont care what this guru says or that guru says ,,,im tellin you how it goes ad how it used to go

saying testosterone was not used in bodybuilding in the 70s is like saying that larry scot was natural,,same ridicoulous claims that put bodybuilding again as A LIE,,

A BODYBUILDER WILL ALWAYS FROM THE BEGGINIGNG USE WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B ,,YES YOU CAN GET BY AND LOOK 188LB LIKE MATT C BY USING 250 500MG EQ OR DECA AND SOME DIANABOL PILLS,,,BUT IM TELLING YOU HERE THAT NO AMATUER NOR PROFESSIONAL WALK AROUND AT 200LB 210LB 220 LB 250 LB 260 LB WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT USE AND REPEATED USE OF HORMONES WITH THE BASIC OF THE BASIC BEING TESTOSTERONE WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY AND IS WHAT DISTINGUISH THE MALE FROM THE FEMALE ,,,TESTOSTERONE IS THE REASON FEMALES CAN EVEN START DOING BODYBUILDING SHOWS,,

I AM AMAZED AND THE IGNORACE AFTER GH15 BEING HERE OVER 2 YEARS

 prop is going to promote a harder leaner less watery look then test e or cyp. Thats what i mostly meant, also the sides are easier when coming off since its faster acting, you can get to normal again quickly if need be. I know 600mg of prop is about as strong as 1k of cyp or e...jsut like 300-400 of suspension is about 1k of test cyp or e. Sorry I wrote it fast.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2008, 01:39:24 PM »
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2008, 01:55:30 PM »
I know 600mg of prop is about as strong as 1k of cyp or e...jsut like 300-400 of suspension is about 1k of test cyp or e. Sorry I wrote it fast.

Ummmmm, false.

1k of test cyp or e = 700 susp.
850(843 if you want to be technical) prop = 1000 cyp.
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2008, 01:57:58 PM »
Ummmmm, false.

1k of test cyp or e = 700 susp.
850(843 if you want to be technical) prop = 1000 cyp.
wtf...test is test, bro. the ester has nothing to do with how strong it is. it only deals with the release time
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2008, 02:05:54 PM »
wtf...test is test, bro. the ester has nothing to do with how strong it is. it only deals with the release time
I think he is talking about ester weight. Susp is pure test.

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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2008, 02:13:18 PM »
eh. 

all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.

i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone..   test is test...and ill kick some ass 
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Re: 70's build. What was so complicated?
« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2008, 02:21:04 PM »
eh. 

all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.

i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone..   test is test...and ill kick some ass 
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You need to do some more research bro. Propionate and Cypionate don't weigh as much, for example. 100mg of test with an ester is not 100mg of pure test. Only suspension is pure test. Then there are peak levels you achieve with stuff like suspension (very high). That may effect results.