Author Topic: Bulk into cut or bulk and clear then cut (Read 1990 times)

Slintowin4424 · « **on:** February 18, 2008, 12:02:22 PM »

What do you think is most effective?

Arnold jr · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2008, 01:05:35 PM »

Are you asking in terms of gear usage? Such as when you take breaks time off, etc?

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM »

I am asking this is it standard to go straight from bulking into cutting or do you guys think that pros and top competitors go bulking then clear and do their cutting later ie.... deca make the switch to eq enanthate make the switch to prop

Arnold jr · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2008, 05:49:15 PM »

OK, I get what you're saying now.

As for the pro's I think it's a little of both. Obviously the guys who compete multiple times per year go straight from bulking to cutting without "clearing out."

For myself...I'll bulk and go right into a diet...I might take a wk off from training in between just to get ready for a hard diet but that's about it. If I'm going to "clear out" then I'm usually sitting on my ass not doing much of anything...maybe a little brief light training and cardio simply for sanity and health reasons but that's about it.

As for the drugs, yeah, I'll simply switch them up if bulking and dieting end up meeting together.

Fulgorre · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:33:29 PM »

Let the longer esters clear out. For example, give test e about 2 weeks to get the level down in your system before you start taking the test prop. Use those 2 weeks to get into cardio if you aren't used to it already. If you start anything immediately it might be tren ace. Stuff it great for leaning out in my brief experience...combined with cardio and lower carbs.

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:36:54 PM »

Quote from: Fulgorre on February 18, 2008, 08:33:29 PM

Let the longer esters clear out. For example, give test e about 2 weeks to get the level down in your system before you start taking the test prop. Use those 2 weeks to get into cardio if you aren't used to it already. If you start anything immediately it might be tren ace. Stuff it great for leaning out in my brief experience...combined with cardio and lower carbs.

I dont think I would start dieting right away reason being the loss of muscle when being off I would wait until prep for the contest begins.

Overload · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2008, 02:33:25 PM »

i always ran 1 long cycle...12 weeks bulking and right into 12 weeks of cutting. after the show i would stay on test prop only for about 4 weeks and then run PCT.

i think taking a break is self-defeating.

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2008, 02:37:06 PM »

Quote from: Overload on February 19, 2008, 02:33:25 PM

i always ran 1 long cycle...12 weeks bulking and right into 12 weeks of cutting. after the show i would stay on test prop only for about 4 weeks and then run PCT.

i think taking a break is self-defeating.

wow Ill bet your really shrunk up man.... Taking a break is for sure needed its the only way your receptors can clear so that you can take more in, However the break should come after pct in the show I think that is very long though 24 weeks..... but it makes sense as anything less would not get you bulked enough or cut enough

Overload · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2008, 02:44:44 PM »

Quote from: Slintowin4424 on February 19, 2008, 02:37:06 PM

wow Ill bet your really shrunk up man.... Taking a break is for sure needed its the only way your receptors can clear so that you can take more in, However the break should come after pct in the show I think that is very long though 24 weeks..... but it makes sense as anything less would not get you bulked enough or cut enough

I think you misunderstood me...

i meant do not take a break between bulking and cutting...i always took 20 weeks off after the show, but i only competed once a year.

so...

12 weeks bulk
12 weeks cut
show
4 weeks test p only
pct
clean for 20 weeks minimum

just my experience from many years...

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2008, 03:55:54 PM »

Oh ok my bad overload I did misunderstand ya hope theirs no hard feelings

Overload · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2008, 06:32:36 AM »

Quote from: Slintowin4424 on February 19, 2008, 03:55:54 PM

Oh ok my bad overload I did misunderstand ya hope theirs no hard feelings

It's all good.

local hero · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:59:07 AM »

i dont realy go in for the cleaning the receptors out theory,,, you get to your maximum size and thats it... no matter if your receptors are fresh or not your not gettn past that unless your fuckn around with other things.. ive yet to see anyone shrink due to staying on and there receptors downgrading,,, seen plenty come off for health reasons and loose alot of what theyve paid and worked hard for.....

Arnold jr · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:02:34 AM »

Quote from: local hero on February 22, 2008, 10:59:07 AM

i dont realy go in for the cleaning the receptors out theory,,, you get to your maximum size and thats it... no matter if your receptors are fresh or not your not gettn past that unless your fuckn around with other things.. ive yet to see anyone shrink due to staying on and there receptors downgrading,,, seen plenty come off for health reasons and loose alot of what theyve paid and worked hard for.....

It's one of the most over blown claims out there

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2008, 02:20:27 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on February 22, 2008, 11:02:34 AM

It's one of the most over blown claims out there

yeah you guys are right you should just stay on year round the benefits are definetly worth your life

Arnold jr · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2008, 03:22:20 PM »

Quote from: Slintowin4424 on February 22, 2008, 02:20:27 PM

yeah you guys are right you should just stay on year round the benefits are definetly worth your life

Never said you should stay on year round...all I'm saying is that receptors don't shut down or stop taking in the gear like many people believe. It's just one of those things someone made up with a long time ago. My theory, someone somewhere was on cycle, gains stopped or gains were minimal and they blamed it on receptors being burned out. Truth be told, what more then likely happened was one of the following or a combo of all...training and diet sucked, gear was fake, guy was an idiot.

local hero · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2008, 06:45:27 AM »

im not advising anyone to stay on year round,, but your kiddin your self if your thinkin your receptors are full and need cleaned out and that youl look and get better results the next time your on...

what will happen is ,youl spend most your next cycle regaining what youve lost, then you slowly get back to where you were in the 1st place, then soon as you start making gains its been 20 odd weeks... time to rest those receptors again?

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2008, 06:57:52 AM »

Quote from: local hero on February 23, 2008, 06:45:27 AM

im not advising anyone to stay on year round,, but your kiddin your self if your thinkin your receptors are full and need cleaned out and that youl look and get better results the next time your on...

what will happen is ,youl spend most your next cycle regaining what youve lost, then you slowly get back to where you were in the 1st place, then soon as you start making gains its been 20 odd weeks... time to rest those receptors again?

Yeah you really are right. If your goal is to get big and lean and stay that way and keep getting bigger after a long cycle, you just need to make it a longer cycle.

No two ways about it. ON steroids=getting bigger and stronger, stopping steroids=getting smaller and weaker.

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:56:00 PM »

Well thats funny I have been off for two months now and haven't lost any weight infact gained a couple pounds and strength hasn't gone down either guess it just comes down to who is dedicated.

local hero · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2008, 09:54:18 AM »

if thats the case why go back on?... i do think as long as you dont get injured or have any interuptions to brake your momentum you can stay looking quite good to a point,, ive never yet had 6month without somthing cropping up tho.

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:19:43 PM »

Rest time is not about constantly improving nobody can do that its just maintenance until its time to wage war again and my time and the USA are coming up soon.....

local hero · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2008, 10:21:44 AM »

good luck with the prep then bud.. everyone around me is starting there countdowns

Overload · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2008, 12:29:02 PM »

Quote from: Slintowin4424 on February 24, 2008, 12:56:00 PM

Well thats funny I have been off for two months now and haven't lost any weight infact gained a couple pounds and strength hasn't gone down either guess it just comes down to who is dedicated.

Bro, we all know you are a very big guy and i think you know what you are talking about but you also claim to bridge with peptides and that throws a totally different spin on your post.

now i know guys who are huge that cycle properly but i also know that the biggest bodybuilders I've ever seen do not come off, at all.

no disrespect, just calling it how i see it.

240 is Back · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2008, 03:17:14 PM »

bulking rocks.

eating pizza at the moment.

Slintowin4424 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2008, 08:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Overload on February 26, 2008, 12:29:02 PM

Bro, we all know you are a very big guy and i think you know what you are talking about but you also claim to bridge with peptides and that throws a totally different spin on your post.

now i know guys who are huge that cycle properly but i also know that the biggest bodybuilders I've ever seen do not come off, at all.

no disrespect, just calling it how i see it.

Actually I have never bridged with any peptide unless you count the slin I have to take the simple fact is I cant afford to be on constantly

Arnold jr · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2008, 09:47:47 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 26, 2008, 03:17:14 PM

bulking rocks.

eating pizza at the moment.

240...have you made your mind up about doing a cycle yet? I remember a good while back you kept saying you were thinking about it...any resolution one way or the other?