Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick

[NeoSeminole]

This should be number 1 on the list ! lol

ha ha ha, somehow my back made it into this thread. I'd like to see how ND's back compares.

[Hulkster]

Neo, you have better arms than dorian did!

[Hulkster]

Visual proof Yates deserves his number 2 placement

agreed:

[Hulkster]

there really is no comparison here:

Ronnie has better taper, a much thicker back, way better arms, better deliniation between muscle groups, better symmetry etc etc.

Yates has more detail in the traps. that is IT.

 

I would love to see ND try and explain this one..

dorian deserves number 2 quite clearly.

[Red Hook]

you guys need to call a truce..and maybe start a thread about it

[NarcissisticDeity]

there really is no comparison here:

Ronnie has better taper, a much thicker back, way better arms, better deliniation between muscle groups, better symmetry etc etc.

Yates has more detail in the traps. that is IT.

 

I would love to see ND try and explain this one..

dorian deserves number 2 quite clearly.

Again a better taper does NOT mean a better back and once again stop trying to derail the argument its about BACKS not arms and man you couldn't be anymore wrong better detail in his traps lmfao talk about a blanket statement thats not true

listen to me and pay careful attention Dorian's traps are bigger especially his lower traps they're just massive its clearly evident in the side by side comparison of the two now you can harp on Ronnie was at his prime but I'm not talking thickness I'm talking length because you can't change the length of your muscles ontop of just being larger they're separated between upper & lower traps ontop of having striations now for you to say he has just better detail and thats it is flat out wrong period and I provided visual proof to back up my claim . oh and lets not forget his traps are even split in front shots , Dorian clearly has better traps

lets move on to teres major & infranspinatus both which are like the traps simply larger than Ronnie's and it shows clear separation between the two , his thickness in this area compared to Coleman ( especially 2001 ) isn't close

Latissimus Dorian's lats have a better sweep and they insert lower near the waist , clearly evident in the front & rear latspreads again compared to a 244 pound Ronnie Coleman his lats are much thicker and they show levels of feathering & striations that Ronnie's do not which when added with much sharper spinal erectors is why Yates blows Ronnie away in the x-mass tree pose

Dorian's back lacks NOTHING its the thickest Ronnie's ever seen and he made this comment in 2003 for Christ's sake ! he has width , thickness and unmatched detail and this is exactly why his back is better

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, somehow my back made it into this thread. I'd like to see how ND's back compares.

I'm a tad bigger than 168 pounds 

[NarcissisticDeity]

And before you bitch he was flexing watch the video 

[NeoSeminole]

I'm a tad bigger than 168 pounds

like I care how much you weigh. More bodyweight doesn't equal a better back.

[NeoSeminole]

You're trying too hard to be like me, kiddo, adopting my tags and style. I'm flattered.

Oh boy, ha ha ha.

You accuse me of something and I correct you and all you're left with is ' meltdown ' a meltdown would including calling someone a ' dirty Mexican ' you know you've been there

meltdown

lmfao now you're reduced to Dorian may have tied him get out here , you NEVER once claimed Yates was comparable in terms of conditioning to Ronnie and you insisted the people who said so are outright liars and flat out wrong , it was me who said perhaps they did push in terms of conditioning however the difference is Yates could sustain that bone dry & rock hard conditioning at much higher bodyweights so either way you're wrong as usual

Ronnie's overall conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpasssed. Dorian may have been just as dry, but his body fat wasn't as low. With Ronnie, I can't see any room for improvement - he was separated and striated from head to toe. It was like looking at an anatomy chart. With Dorian, however, I do see room for improvement.

you're starting to sound like Hulkster ' anyone ' my argument is sound and you've yet to counter it and I've provided written and visual evidence . my argument is Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's has better density & conditioning , he has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and he's a better technical poser in essence he satisfies the IFBB judging criteria better than Ronnie

your argument has already been refuted by visual evidence and quotes from credible sources who say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

[swilkins1984]

Your Hero Disagrees with you and so did Team Flex in 1999 

Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Ronnie can't see his own back 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh boy, ha ha ha.

meltdown

Ronnie's overall conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpasssed. Dorian may have been just as dry, but his body fat wasn't as low. With Ronnie, I can't see any room for improvement - he was separated and striated from head to toe. It was like looking at an anatomy chart. With Dorian, however, I do see room for improvement.

your argument has already been refuted by visual evidence and quotes from credible sources who say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

Ronnie's overall conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpasssed. Dorian may have been just as dry, but his body fat wasn't as low. With Ronnie, I can't see any room for improvement - he was separated and striated from head to toe. It was like looking at an anatomy chart. With Dorian, however, I do see room for improvement.

Again you're talking out of your ass , 01 ASC has never been surpassed lmfao how would you know? by looking at pictures? seriously Neo you're beyond the point of being taken seriously Yates an IFBB judge says he's better conditioned this crushes your fan-boy dreams sorry and its supplemented by the quotes from McGough

your argument has already been refuted by visual evidence and quotes from credible sources who say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.

No my argument was not refuted with visual proof another lie , you posted pictures and said it was refuted and you guys don't even know what you're looking at or what the rules are lol how can it be refuted? and again Neo just because Ronnie may be the greatest bodybuilder or all time doesn't mean he couldn't be beaten by Yates , Ronnie himself said he feels Yates would beat him you thinks quotes from others somehow trump this? when in fact a bunch of people have said Yates would beat Ronnie , including McGough , Priest , Taylor , it works both ways

again lets stick to the topic at hand.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie can't see his own back 

No because he doesn't have a mirror lol come on

[NeoSeminole]

So maybe he only meant "biggest, most developed" by "freakiest", but there isn't much to a back besides it's development in judging it's greatness, so we can assume here that the word is conotatively the same as saying it's the best ever. There are bodybuilders who's backs surpassed Yates' for detail, the only other quality there is in judging the greatness of a back, like Shawn Ray's and Wheeler's, but the difference in size is so great that it is unlikely that Ronnie would consider these backs as being greater than Dorian's. So it is a reasonable speculation that what he meant by saying that Yates had the freakiest back ever is that he had the best back ever.

I was merely applying ND's retarded logic to Dorian's quote. ND thinks something needs to be explicitly said in order for it to have meaning. He doesn't believe in leaving room for interpretation. Consider the following interview and ND's response.

Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos

John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"

Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."

He didn't say he would beat them

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I was merely applying ND's retarded logic to Dorian's quote. ND thinks something needs to be explicitly said in order for it to have meaning. He doesn't believe in leaving room for interpretation. Consider the following interview and ND's response.

Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos

John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"

Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."

No , no Neo not true you love to play with words and I was using your ' logic ' against you  and thats ok because these quotes render that one moot

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.

Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.


these two quotes ended the truce thread ! your own hero feared Dorian Yates for a damn good reason

[pumpster]

Yates does not have this width or this taper.

[NarcissisticDeity]

top pic is good bottom isn't Good Job changing the pic 

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[NeoSeminole]

Again you're talking out of your ass , 01 ASC has never been surpassed lmfao how would you know? by looking at pictures? seriously Neo you're beyond the point of being taken seriously Yates an IFBB judge says he's better conditioned this crushes your fan-boy dreams sorry and its supplemented by the quotes from McGough

I know b/c I have a better understanding of anatomy than you or Peter McGough, no offense to the guy. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.

No my argument was not refuted with visual proof another lie , you posted pictures and said it was refuted and you guys don't even know what you're looking at or what the rules are lol how can it be refuted? and again Neo just because Ronnie may be the greatest bodybuilder or all time doesn't mean he couldn't be beaten by Yates , Ronnie himself said he feels Yates would beat him you thinks quotes from others somehow trump this? when in fact a bunch of people have said Yates would beat Ronnie , including McGough , Priest , Taylor , it works both ways

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

[NeoSeminole]

No , no Neo not true you love to play with words and I was using your ' logic ' against you and thats ok because these quotes render that one moot

stop avoiding the issue and tell me what you think Ronnie meant by his interview response. There are only 2 logical interpretations - either he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it? Let's see how good your reading comprehension is.

Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos

John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"

Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."

[bizzy]

Here's a quote to add to your collection.
Have at it guys...

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Greg Merritt
Senior Writer
FLEX Magazine
 

[Iceman1981]

Hey ND, why are you trying so hard to convince people that yates back is better? Does it bother you that much? If it does, then you really need to stop taking this "best back" so seriously. Most people and the Flex issue think Ronnie has the best back of all-time and some people think yates has the best back of all-time. It doesn't bother me or others if some people think yates back is better than Ronnie's. You need to give this thing a rest. You and Hulkster have probably aged 5 years over the 1 year course since this Truce thread has started with all of the bychting back and forth. Debating back and forth is fine, but it looks like you take all of this shyt as a threat. Just my thought.

By the way. Why isn't yates flexing his left lat in that first pic? Please don't say he is, because he is clearly not.

[brian36]

Does anyone else think that Yate's chest wasn't that good?

[Hulkster]

Does anyone else think that Yate's chest wasn't that good?

hell yes. dorian's chest was  mediocre - many think so and show so.

but try telling that to insecure ND LOL