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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #225 on: February 21, 2008, 02:08:07 PM »

I hope you mean personal flaws because structurally he had none, although many beat him body part for body part practically no one can beat him overall.



You just keep getting stupider as you go, don't you? "Practically no one can beat him overall." Is that why he never won the Arnold or Olympia? Cormier had a complete physique, but it was never good enough to be the best. He lacked in condition and dense mass (in the side back shot you can truly see how thin his back was). And for you to call Flex "overrated" and compare him to Dexter, LOL  ::) Dexter is a nobody compared to Flex. If you want proof look at the difference in structure and shape when they stood side by side at the 99BGP. Flex was a 4 time Arnold Classic winner. I highly doubt that will be matched.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #226 on: February 21, 2008, 02:10:15 PM »
flex should have been a lot higher than 13th, easily beats jay cutler.
And im not sure about stubbs being 3rd, yes hes' one huge fuker but he does not have the 3rd greatest back in bbing history (soon he might but not yet)
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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #227 on: February 21, 2008, 02:10:47 PM »
balance and proportion are synonymous, you idiot. Just look in a dictionary. I swear you are so f*cking stupid at times.

pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive in person than in pics. Also, Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.

Peter McGough – unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Sean Tohhttp://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.

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balance and proportion are synonymous, you idiot. Just look in a dictionary. I swear you are so f*cking stupid at times.

Again we're strictly talking about the context in professional bodybuilding again the point stands you did NOT know they were different you fought me tooth & nail until I posted quotes from two IFBB judges showing so again you don't know much when it comes to professional bodybuilding and then to have the balls to say you know more than people with 30 years plus in the profession and here is the best part NEVER once in your life attending a pro show you're a retard plain & simple

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pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive in person than in pics. Also, Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.

LMFAO pic's are reliable these are meltdown statements " I know more than McGough because I'm a certified personal trainer " " I know more than IFBB judges " " I know more than the people who attended the shows " again Neo you have moved beyond the point of being taken seriously . pictures will NEVER replace actually being there therefore they are not accurate and reliable only a complete idiot would claim otherwise

and you want to play with words again?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


he was never drier or harder than Dorian. This is as specific as it gets he was " NEVER drier or harder than Dorian , that means 1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005/2006/2007/2008 NEVER

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get it? never. now who are we to believe the idiot certified personal trainer who's never been to a pro contest in his life or a man who has 30 plus years in the business of professional bodybuilding , who was the former editor of the biggest bodybuilding publication who as seen both men live & in person at their very best & worse on-stage with them at the same time?

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Peter McGough – unknown

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.

It doesn't matter what YOU can see YOU weren't there and I've maintained that perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that type of conditioning at his very lightest 244 pounds at the 01 Arnold and 1998 Mr Olympia albeit a LOT lighter Dorian's conditioning according to respected sources has been UNMATCHED as high as 285 pounds and thats entertaining they are in fact equal in this department . however McGough and Dorian specific to the argument have both said Yates has better conditioning than Ronnie period , and these people kick the living shit out of your ' opinion '

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Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

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“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”

one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.

Where is the guy claiming Ronnie's conditioning was the greatest ever? thats a lie period , you mean the guy asking the question NO WHERE does he state Ronnie's conditioning is the greatest ever more wishful thinking on your behalf and again Neo the ' certified personal trainer ' doubts Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie 01 ASC lmfao your biggest problem is you take yourself seriously , who cares what you think? you never seen the contests in question , in fact you've never seen a pro contest and your life and you're going to claim the people who were there are dead wrong and you're right because ' you know more about anatomy ' lmmfao

Neo you're like Hulkster you're to far gone to be taken seriously anymore .

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #228 on: February 21, 2008, 02:13:55 PM »
Again we're strictly talking about the context in professional bodybuilding again the point stands you did NOT know they were different you fought me tooth & nail until I posted quotes from two IFBB judges showing so again you don't know much when it comes to professional bodybuilding and then to have the balls to say you know more than people with 30 years plus in the profession and here is the best part NEVER once in your life attending a pro show you're a retard plain & simple

LMFAO pic's are reliable these are meltdown statements " I know more than McGough because I'm a certified personal trainer " " I know more than IFBB judges " " I know more than the people who attended the shows " again Neo you have moved beyond the point of being taken seriously . pictures will NEVER replace actually being there therefore they are not accurate and reliable only a complete idiot would claim otherwise

and you want to play with words again?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


he was never drier or harder than Dorian. This is as specific as it gets he was " NEVER drier or harder than Dorian , that means 1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005/2006/2007/2008 NEVER

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get it? never. now who are we to believe the idiot certified personal trainer who's never been to a pro contest in his life or a man who has 30 plus years in the business of professional bodybuilding , who was the former editor of the biggest bodybuilding publication who as seen both men live & in person at their very best & worse on-stage with them at the same time?

It doesn't matter what YOU can see YOU weren't there and I've maintained that perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that type of conditioning at his very lightest 244 pounds at the 01 Arnold and 1998 Mr Olympia albeit a LOT lighter Dorian's conditioning according to respected sources has been UNMATCHED as high as 285 pounds and thats entertaining they are in fact equal in this department . however McGough and Dorian specific to the argument have both said Yates has better conditioning than Ronnie period , and these people kick the living shit out of your ' opinion '

Where is the guy claiming Ronnie's conditioning was the greatest ever? thats a lie period , you mean the guy asking the question NO WHERE does he state Ronnie's conditioning is the greatest ever more wishful thinking on your behalf and again Neo the ' certified personal trainer ' doubts Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie 01 ASC lmfao your biggest problem is you take yourself seriously , who cares what you think? you never seen the contests in question , in fact you've never seen a pro contest and your life and you're going to claim the people who were there are dead wrong and you're right because ' you know more about anatomy ' lmmfao

Neo you're like Hulkster you're to far gone to be taken seriously anymore .

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #229 on: February 21, 2008, 02:18:26 PM »
ND, I'm waiting for you to respond to this post. ;)


Thats been address eons ago , he eludes that he would win however he NEVER ( shall I post the definition again?  ;) ) commits to it on the two occasions he did commit he said definitively he would NOT beat Dorian .

anything else you need corrected?

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #230 on: February 21, 2008, 02:23:09 PM »
And the difference in width, deep seperation and thickness of Ronnie's back murders yates. All yates has is better conditioning.

Again according to who? you and your biased ass ' comparison ' how would you know how wide both men were ? again Ronnie has smaller waist & hips that help with the ILLUSION of width , Yates doesn't and look at your ' comparison ' Dorian waist is as small of not smaller than Ronnie's lmfao you wonder why you idiots think Ronnie is unbeatable you makes these ridiculous comparisons and actually believe them lol you guys are to simple lol

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #231 on: February 21, 2008, 02:28:47 PM »
There are things I like about both of their backs and I think it is close.
What pushes me over the edge for Coleman is the smaller waist and hips
that gives him an overall look from the back that Yates doesn't have.
Yates looks to me like a shredded powerlifter/bodybuilder whereas Coleman
from the back looks to me like a pure bodybuilders physique, although he still
looks powerful. This screenshots probably explains better what I'm talking about
than what I just wrote. (I also understand in this shot that Yates is probably standing
further away than Kevin to the camera.) We'd honestly have to see them side by side at their bests
to know for sure.   

This is a known shot of them side-by-side NEITHER are at their best but the difference is staggering Yates is just 7 pounds heavier and his back is just in another league

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #232 on: February 21, 2008, 02:30:35 PM »
This back lacks absolutely nothing , he has width , depth , insane thickness , separation and density !

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #233 on: February 21, 2008, 02:35:19 PM »
You just keep getting stupider as you go, don't you? "Practically no one can beat him overall." Is that why he never won the Arnold or Olympia? Cormier had a complete physique, but it was never good enough to be the best. He lacked in condition and dense mass (in the side back shot you can truly see how thin his back was). And for you to call Flex "overrated" and compare him to Dexter, LOL  ::) Dexter is a nobody compared to Flex. If you want proof look at the difference in structure and shape when they stood side by side at the 99BGP. Flex was a 4 time Arnold Classic winner. I highly doubt that will be matched.




The only thing Cormier really lacked was perfect conditioning and possibly showing up bigger but then he would not look as good overall (he never played the size game) as he has always been able to perform a vacuum front double biceps. Sad thing is though Flex lacked density more then Cormier ever has and also had conditioning problems. Don't forget Cormier also competed in over 2 times the number of pro shows as Flex while maintaining an average 4th place per show. Oh and nice comparing Dex in 99 (HIS ROOKIE SEASON) to Flex who was peaking before a swift downfall after the 2000 season, not to mention Dex was 4th only 2 spots behind Flex. Flex and Dex rely on the freak factor because they have many structural flaws (but at least Dex is always in shape) while Cormier shows what a BBer should look like which is complete with no parts out shining the others, take away Flex's arms and he's a also ran, take away Dex's conditioning and he would be lucky to make top ten. Look either way this isn't the thread to argue this and I am not gonna turn into one of you dill weeds and ruin a thread by going off subject or arguing opinions until my death. All I have to say is anyone who isn't a crack baby would most likely agree with my points.


Oh yeah and Flex used synthol for about half his career which IMO negates any showing (after first use) from even being comparable. FLEX IS AND WAS A OIL FILLED OVERRATED NINJA FIGHTING EXCUSE MAKER WHO NEVER WON THE BIG ONE AND NEVER SHOULD HAVE.
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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #234 on: February 21, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
Again we're strictly talking about the context in professional bodybuilding again the point stands you did NOT know they were different you fought me tooth & nail until I posted quotes from two IFBB judges showing so again you don't know much when it comes to professional bodybuilding and then to have the balls to say you know more than people with 30 years plus in the profession and here is the best part NEVER once in your life attending a pro show you're a retard plain & simple

irrelevant babble. The technical definition for balance doesn't even make sense.

Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006

"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ."

how can a judge tell that one guy has better balance than another without individually weighing both halves of the body? Do they have some extra sensory perception they teach you in IFBB training school? Get real. I've seen a lot of dumb shit but I know you don't believe this. A judge doesn't say to himself, "This guy's right side looks like it weighs 125 lbs but his left side appears to weigh 122 lbs. He's not balanced." ::)

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LMFAO pic's are reliable these are meltdown statements " I know more than McGough because I'm a certified personal trainer " " I know more than IFBB judges " " I know more than the people who attended the shows " again Neo you have moved beyond the point of being taken seriously . pictures will NEVER replace actually being there therefore they are not accurate and reliable only a complete idiot would claim otherwise

ha ha ha, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with attending shows or being a personal trainer (which I never stated was the reason I know more). All you have to do is pick up an anatomy book to know that definition improves as a bodybuilder drops subcutaneous fat and water. I'd rather accept the words of medical scholars than journalists and photographers. I'll refer to the latter when I need to fix a camera.

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and you want to play with words again?

Peter McGough never said Dorian had better overall conditioning than Ronnie. He just says that nobody ever surpassed him.

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It doesn't matter what YOU can see YOU weren't there and I've maintained that perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that type of conditioning at his very lightest 244 pounds at the 01 Arnold and 1998 Mr Olympia albeit a LOT lighter Dorian's conditioning according to respected sources has been UNMATCHED as high as 285 pounds and thats entertaining they are in fact equal in this department . however McGough and Dorian specific to the argument have both said Yates has better conditioning than Ronnie period , and these people kick the living shit out of your ' opinion '

you completely ignored the quote from Peter McGough I posted that contradicts himself. So I will post it again for your viewing pleasure.

“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #235 on: February 21, 2008, 02:39:42 PM »
Thats been address eons ago , he eludes that he would win

there you have it folks! ND just admitted that Ronnie said he would beat Dorian.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #236 on: February 21, 2008, 02:40:18 PM »
I don't have a dog in this fight. So, I can actually look at this objectively. While Yates looks incredible in lat spread poses, to me, the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.

I gotta give it to Ronnie.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #237 on: February 21, 2008, 02:42:40 PM »
I don't have a dog in this fight. So, I can actually look at this objectively. While Yates looks incredible in lat spread poses, to me, the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.

I gotta give it to Ronnie.

If you mean having a smaller, softer and less detailed back on Ron, then yes, give it to Ronnie  ::)
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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #238 on: February 21, 2008, 02:45:17 PM »
there you have it folks! ND just admitted that Ronnie said he would beat Dorian.

No I didn't I said he eluded to it , never committed and what did he say on the two occasions he did commit?

yeah I thought so  ;)

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #239 on: February 21, 2008, 02:47:13 PM »
No I didn't I said he eluded to it , never committed and what did he say on the two occasions he did commit?

alluding and explicitly stating are the same thing. What do you think is the difference? And please don't tell me that Ronnie seemed uncertain with his response. He sounded pretty cocky to me.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #240 on: February 21, 2008, 02:51:23 PM »
I don't have a dog in this fight. So, I can actually look at this objectively. While Yates looks incredible in lat spread poses, to me, the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.

I gotta give it to Ronnie.


Too bad it's not just that pose which decides a great overall back, like I said before Ronnies is bigger, thicker etc... But only when at a much higher bodyweight then Yates and the fact that Ronnie's left side has always been weaker make me choose yates. Do a photo shop of both lefts on Ronnie and Yates and Yates will look much much better without a doubt but take two right sides and Ronnie wins while Yates still looks the same. Would you say Cutler has the best legs when his left and right are clearly different sizes, hell might as well add Michal Lockett to the list for best legs as well since it doesn't matter whether you have left & right symmetry.
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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #241 on: February 21, 2008, 02:53:15 PM »
alluding and explicitly stating are the same thing. What do you think is the difference? And please don't tell me that Ronnie seemed uncertain with his response. He sounded pretty cocky to me.

Cocky would be " yeah I could beat all of them " he never committed to a clear cut statement , just like Yates never did  ;)

however on the two occasions he did commit he said Dorian would continue to win , and you fan-boys presumed to know what he was talking about lol ' he was just be humble ' " he was being a nice guy " lmfao he was being honest because Yates crushed him and everyone else for years the guy never placed below second place in his whole professional career thats unheard of ! especially the competition he faced , Ronnie was being honest because he feared Yates for a reason .

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #242 on: February 21, 2008, 02:56:03 PM »
Again according to who? you and your biased ass ' comparison ' how would you know how wide both men were ? again Ronnie has smaller waist & hips that help with the ILLUSION of width , Yates doesn't and look at your ' comparison ' Dorian waist is as small of not smaller than Ronnie's lmfao you wonder why you idiots think Ronnie is unbeatable you makes these ridiculous comparisons and actually believe them lol you guys are to simple lol

I can ask you the same stupid questions you just asked. The only thing to do is post pics. Yates waist is bigger along with his bigger head and slightly bigger forearms. While Ronnie's waist is smaller along with his smaller head and slightly smaller forearms which is correct. Stop complaining like a little bytch. If I make yates any bigger, then his head will be twice the size as Ronnie's and his arms will be the same size as Ronnie's. Get over it. This is as close as it will get for a comparison.

EDIT: Now shut the fuck up about yates waist being as small as Ronnie's

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #243 on: February 21, 2008, 02:58:04 PM »
I can ask you the same stupid questions you just asked. The only thing to do is post pics. Yates waist is bigger along with his bigger head and slightly bigger forearms. While Ronnie's waist is smaller along with his smaller head and slightly smaller forearms which is correct. Stop complaining like a little bytch. If I make yates any bigger, then his head will be twice the size as Ronnie's and his arms will be the same size as Ronnie's. Get over it. This is as close as it will get for a comparison.

Again spare me your ' comparisons '

this is an actual comparison kid and the difference is staggering

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #244 on: February 21, 2008, 03:17:30 PM »
Again spare me your ' comparisons '

this is an actual comparison kid and the difference is staggering

Let's see, you post a comparison of when Ronnie wasn't even Mr. O yet. Wow, you got us all there  ::)

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #245 on: February 21, 2008, 03:19:44 PM »
Let's see, you post a comparison of when Ronnie wasn't even Mr. O yet. Wow, you got us all there  ::)

Ronnie's back was negligibly larger in 98 and 99 compared to that shot. He would still be dwarfed by the great Dorian Yates.
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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #246 on: February 21, 2008, 03:23:34 PM »
Let's see, you post a comparison of when Ronnie wasn't even Mr. O yet. Wow, you got us all there  ::)

Thats an actual comparison NOT one of your fan-boy delusions not some wishful thinking thats a matter of FACT and again I prefaced my comments with the fact neither are at their best

and do you think Ronnie's lats when he became Mr Olympia became lower? NO his infranstinatus & teres became larger? NO his traps longer ? NO sure he added some size & width but Yates wrote the book on the two Ronnie's back in that pic is very comparable to right around his best 1998/2001 he was 250 pounds in that pic and he was 244 pounds in 2001 and 247 pounds in 1998 and thats NOT Dorian at his best  ;) just imagine Yates at 269 pounds next to a 244 pound Ronnie lol

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #247 on: February 21, 2008, 03:24:23 PM »
the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.


Due to Yates' flapjacks; the biceps barely exist.

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #248 on: February 21, 2008, 03:25:31 PM »
Due to Yates' flapjacks; the biceps barely exist.

Stop trolling , this has to do with backs NOT biceps , stick to the topic troll  ;)

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Re: Flex Magazine: 20 Best Backs of All Time-- a bone to pick
« Reply #249 on: February 21, 2008, 03:26:03 PM »
Again spare me your ' comparisons '

this is an actual comparison kid and the difference is staggering

In terms of back, this is in color and more definitive in terms of lat width and taper.

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